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Re: Retreating
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2006, 09:42:37 AM »
I had a dilemma with the punch line--do I type "I'm afraid not!" and let people figure it out, or do what I did so I don't have to explain it?  It works great said outloud.  There is always about three beats of silence, then laughter as the pun dawns on you.

I like it because I love picturing a rope walking around and talking to people like he has a perfect right to be doing all these things.  And everyone takes him so seriously.  Giving validation.  To a rope  :) .

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2006, 09:45:18 AM »
Hee haw, PP.
You typed it just the right way!  :D

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2006, 10:32:49 AM »
Hope,

When I was a kid, I thought when I grew up I would be my own person.  It never occurred to me that I could be in my 40s and still "watching my mouth", "behaving", or feeling like I will "get in trouble" just by being with my parents.  It's a tough call for me to be able to tell the difference between treating them respectfully and politely the way I would treat other adults who are my equals by virtue of us all being adults, or treating them deferentially as my parents, OR just turning myself into a little baby again trying to win their love.  Ideally I'd prefer to treat them the way I treat all other adults.  Sort of letting them earn my respect.  Letting them reveal themselves as who they are as people, the way it can work when you meet new co-workers or neighbors. 

I don't know if any of that really is an option.  These are people you share DNA with.  There is a kind of intimacy with them that you don't experience with co-workers, neighbors or friends.  Throws it all off.  These are people who couldn't properly share love from the get-go.  I guess they have "issues" that are going to interfere with all kinds of human interaction.

An example:  Christmas of 2004 at my house.  It was two months after my father died.  About a week after the actual holiday, my sister was coming up to visit my mother and so we decided to have a little Christmas for the three of us.  My husband would be at work and my mother's husband rarely goes anywhere else for holidays except to his people because he seems to have some kind of social anxiety or control issues.  I didn't specifically know that he wouldn't attend but it was 99% certain.

So, I went about buying some nice little gifts for my mother and sister after the rush of the holidays was over.  It took a couple of days and I was working quite a bit and left the step-father's for last.  Ended up running out of time to get him anything but wasn't overly concerned because I was relatively positive he wouldn't be there anyway.  Didn't think much farther ahead than the visit itself.  My thinking really didn't clear up in general for over a year after my father died and this had been only two months.

So, they came over and the three of us had a fairly good visit.  Opened presents.  They had brought a gift for my son in NY that I was supposed to somehow give to him on my own.  Something for my husband who was at work.  So, I guess I was kind of living dangerously having not bought anything for my step-father that they could take to him.  I suppose my mother expected to be bringing something home for him.  I should perhaps mention here that he hates Christmas and has managed to ruin many Christmases for my mother over the years.  But they do always go through the motions of gift-giving for some reason.

Anyway, got through the afternoon doing what we planned.  They seemed happy enough.  Then they went home.  Later on there is a message on my answering machine.  It's my sister calling from her cell phone.  They had stopped at a liquor store on the way home, bought a nice bottle of Drambui (or however you spell it), wrapped it up, and made it be from my husband and me.  The reason they called about it was in case he called to thank me for the nice gift (which he never did by the way), they didn't want me to go, "Huh, what gift?"  I was supposed to go along and say, "You're welcome, we know that is your favorite and hope you enjoy it.  Merry Christmas."

It's funny, but I can recognize when a boss or co-worker thinks they are saving me from myself and I will always say, "How will I ever learn if you don't let me do it myself?"  I say it in a kind of sing-song voice.  Sort of my own little "let me be the grown up that I am" joke, only they are not my parents.  Me do it, me do it.

I can recognize now that I did commit a faux pas (or however you spell it) that Christmas.  But there was a lot going on, many layers at work.  I kind of wished my mother had just let the chips fall where they may.  I kind of wonder if it might have been a statement that he might have respected on some level.  Her husband is a very bright man.  When he was less depressed, he used to try to get my goat with certain topics of conversation from the news or other issues.  I think he found it challenging on some level.  That was a long time ago, though.  A lot of water under the bridge.

I have never mentioned it to my mother or sister.  Just let it go.  But I was very angry that they interfered with it.  I knew on some level I was "living dangerously".  But what I did was the real deal.  Maybe he would have hated me for neglecting him.  Maybe he would have thought, "Wow, finally, someone who gets that I hate Christmas."  Maybe he didn't expect anything at all.  Maybe I could have said how it really happened, that I ran out of time, energy, inspiration, Christmas spirit.  I don't really have any idea what might have happened.  I mean, it's not like there is a healthy relationship or family feeling anyway!  These are people who hate being married to each other now.  This is a man who has been to my house once in 13 years.  I didn't do it on purpose, but me not getting him a gift was probably not an accident either.  And there's my mother still not letting me learn from my actions at age 43.  Amazing.

I don't know, Hope, what the answer is.  They bring their own very long history into this.  I guess it is alright for you to be yourself whoever that self is turning out to be.  At least they can see you twice a year.  They must enjoy it on some level.  People who need to fool themselves in order to live with themselves will be able to do so.  Just you letting them come over may be all that they need at this point in time.  The kids talked to them and that was probably nice.  I've started taking each encounter as it comes.  Try not to feel like I have to jump through hoops for my mother.  She has her own strange little tapes playing in her head.  It's finally time for me to be myself.  Which is a way of letting go of the idea that I have to try to make my mother love and appreciate me.  Who knows, maybe when I get good at just being myself around her, she will pay attention long enough to get to know me and decide she likes who I am.  And maybe she will keep listening to her own tape and not even notice.  It's hard to care too much anymore.

IMO you did okay and by tonight you will already be unwinding and getting back to your real life.  Phew.

Pennyplant
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Re: Retreating
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2006, 06:55:45 PM »
Dear Pennyplant,

I'm noticing that your writing here has a very calming effect on my jangled nerves and I surely appreciate your taking the time to talk this over. Thank you.

I've enjoyed being 1,000 miles away from my parents for the past 5 years and generally prefer not to dig too deeply into the feelings I might have (or not have) for them. In my mid-40's also, it seems this season of breaking away has been a sort of delayed reaction with me... a late bloomer, I guess. They write each and every week and have done so for the past 5 years. Enclosed in their envelope, my Dad will put the church bulletin from that Sunday's service and a collection of little jokes (some of them rather raunchy) that he wants to share with us here  :? My mother encloses a dollar for each of the kids who are still here at home, paper-clipped to her little letter in which she's written her usual stoic/ martyr/ perfectionist/phony-sounding comments which never really manage to communicate much. Until recently, I'd let those weekly mailings pile up, unopened, for 6-8 weeks without even opening them. Avoidance seems to be my strong suit  :?  I want to honor my parents, so I'm hesitant to even say what I really think or use too many adjectives in describing their behavior. I'm afraid that if I open those floodgates, it could get messy, so usually I try to just keep it factual.

My Dad has pulled stunts similar to what you describe with the bottle of Drambui, even when there was absolutely no reason for it whatsoever, and my mother is the queen of "Keeping up Appearances". A couple years ago, I got a thank you note from an elderly couple at our old church. It was very sweet of these folks, whom I'd always really liked, although we weren't particularly close. The odd thing was... I hadn't given them anything to warrant a thanks. Turned out my Dad had given them an item of his woodworking and told them that I had commissioned him to make this thing for them. What in the world???  He has also taken things in the past from my brother's house and brought them to my home to be used in some project or another. He simply takes what he wants, if he decides that one needs it and the other doesn't... as though it's all his stuff in the first place. Zero concept of where one person's boundaries leave off and another's boundaries begin. I guess we're all one to him... all one homogenous glob that he views as an extension of himself? ugh. I cannot even discuss my mother and her multiple attitudes at this point, except to give a couple examples. Dad asked me while they were here whether I've heard much from my 2 grown daughters who are both living out on their own now. As a side-note, Dad is rarely allowed to complete a sentence without my mother moving in to dominate the conversation. I tried to tell him about the phone call I got on Mother's Day and the photo my other daughter sent.... but she took over to repeat to us all the times she's talked with my girls. I ignored her and tried to plow on with answering Dad, till finally she subsided into a quiet, "I may even have a message on my answering machine when I get home." I, I, I, I, I.......  ugh. You could be telling someone else about your birdseye view of a UFO landing on a river in Germany ( :P) and she'd cut in to ask, "Oh, was that the Danube? (no pause) Why, when I was on the Danube, the pilot of our boat... (insert Dad's name here), was his name Friedrich? Alfonse? [ Dad attempts to respond, knowing full well that he'll get the name wrong anyway and she's only looking for another opportunity to correct him ]
...... etc, etc......   :?  It is truly unreal. And full of envy? Let me count the ways. I'd better not. But today....  well, they stopped by this morning after I posted here, as planned, only an hour late, with me counting the minutes until I could start cooking brunch for my hungry crew here...   and we had just had a pretty good downpour of rain. But the rain had subsided. And here comes Dad to the door... all cheerful, looking to collect his final goodbye hugs before they get on the long road home. And Mother? My sweet son (age 10) took 2 umbrellas out to the car to usher her into the house, so she wouldn't melt in the few sprinkles of rain still falling...  and she said to him, "I don't want anyone to get sick going out in the rain just to tell you all goodbye."  umm... it was 70 degrees and a couple droplets.  :(  Dad said meekly, "I guess Grandma's going to stay in the car; she doesn't want to get wet in the rain."  He got his hugs, then went back to the car and asked us to just come to the door of the house to wave goodbye to her. Well, we did... and waited for a couple long minutes, but all we could see was his back, leaning into the car, obviously trying to talk her into coming in for a few minutes. Finally he gave up and got into the car, so we shut the house door. They just drove off. And that was that. I could have gone out to the car to her, but I didn't. God forgive me, but I'm not sorry that I didn't. Enough is enough, and it's been way more than that.

Penny, you said, "People who need to fool themselves in order to live with themselves will be able to do so."  That rings so true to me. They'll be fine. And so will I. We went for a pleasant ride and that helped. Writing this has helped some more. Knowing that you can read between the lines helps the most. Thanks again for listening and for coming forward to post.

Hope

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2006, 07:36:09 PM »
Hope, I do believe that moving 1,000 miles away was the best move you could have ever made!

A number of years ago, when my mother was getting ready to return here from Texas and my sister moved to North Carolina, also from Texas, my sister said to me, "Good, now you can have her for awhile."  I hadn't lived in the same state with my mother since 1980 and really didn't know what she meant by that.  Oh, now I sure do.  Fortunately, being an hour away now is just enough to make it inconvenient for her to drive all that way just to see me very often, so it hasn't been as horrendous as it could have been!  But for a long time she couldn't understand why I didn't like making the drive to her.  Afterall, she didn't have time because she has a job and works between 12 and 20 hours a week.  I can't believe how many times I had to explain to her that I was working 50 hours a week and didn't have time either.

Maybe it's good that I was never the favorite!  Spared me a lot of stuff I bet.

Thank you for the compliment about my posts.  I get a lot out of what I'm reading from each participant.  It is fun to notice the different styles and what different experiences each brings to this place.  All kinds of ways to look at things.  And also, it seems like we can assure each other that we're not imagining this stuff and that it bothers us for good reason.  It feels good to have that support.

I'm very glad I asked for advice about my feelings the last day or two.  I don't usually reach out like that.  Thank you everybody.

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2006, 10:18:07 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I'm re-reading this thread, thinking of retreat and visitors with baggage, and feeling a letdown something like you described, Penny... probably because the in-laws are coming in a few days, something I felt pretty up about even a week ago, until:

-some job worry cropped up; not exactly stress, just enough to leave me less serene than usual, maybe a 20% tranquility reduction

-just found out MIL (whose kids, except one N., all think Mom has NPD and/or BPD) still has her foot in the aircast that should've come off 3 weeks ago. Now FIL, very sweet man, and 24/7 caretaker--while visiting, he apologizes to her every time he goes to the bathroom--is expressing doubts about her ability to walk much, especially around some day trips we arranged for at their insistence.

For background, MIL caused near-riots at all her kids' weddings except ours. Two months ago, she visited my H.'s lovely Sis and family. Sis is a gem. Sadly, MIL got tipsy the first night of the visit and, among other things, called her daughter a Satanist and accused her of being anti-military (Sis' hubby is career military, btw, and she's followed him the world over for 30 years without complaint). The visit went downhill from there and the in-laws left days early. MIL has been feeling mistreated and sorry for herself ever since.

Now our strategy of no alcohol for MIL and wearing them out on the tourist trail every day is in some jeopardy. Also, much as I hate to suspect it, there's a good chance MIL has hung onto the aircast for attention/sympathy and to maximize control of every little thing, including give herself a pass for any of her behavior with us that she even imagines could be questioned.

If not for the serenity dip, and being on the rehab road from surgery myself, I think I'd be cool with even the idea of MIL's worst.

Would love to hear any helpful suggestions born of your own adventures with (bless their hearts), the high maintenace among us?

 :shock:

Thanks,
LoH

PS - edit in, Has anyone heard the Panda variation on the rope joke?

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2006, 06:33:27 AM »
A Panda variation?  Got to hear it!!!

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2006, 11:27:30 AM »
Hi LOH:

Sounds like the visit is stressing you out before it even happens.  Could you get a wheel chair and push old mil around on the day trips anyway (are most places w/c accessible)?  Insist she mustn't miss all the fun!!

If mil's mouth starts to get out of order could you stand and announce that it's time for tea, a walk, how about a game of cards, or otherwise distract her with a new activity? (like one might with a 6 year old?).

Or when mil starts fishing for sympathy would you consider piling it on lavishly about how awful it must be for her to have to suffer such and such and go off into your own story about "I remember a girl at work who had to put up with such and such" and how much worse it was for her and how she managed to endure it all with a lovely smile and a positive, refreshing attitude that you'll never forget?

I don't know.  Just letting my brain do a bit of a dance here.  I'm just wondering if it has to be all eggshells and serious or if it couldn't be planned ahead of time to be somewhat......entertaining?  Could you keep track of how many times she complains?  Criticizes?  Makes a rude remark?  And then present her with an award???

 :lol: :lol:

Maybe that would be a bit much eh?  Ok.  But rather than take her every word to heart.....maybe would it help to think of her as incapable of acting like a respectful adult and treating her like a misbehaving child?

The no alcohol plan sounds like a sensible one.  How about a No-letting-her-get-our-goat plan?  Laugh.  Smile sweetly.  Change the subject.  Ask a totally unrelated question.  Or frown and say:  "That's naughty".  Put on loud music and then apologize for interupting.   Spill something in her lap (nothing that will scald, though).   Ask her to pass the potatoes and if she'd like more too and then go into a detailed explanation of how much nutrition potatoes actually have?  Say:  "Oh that reminds me" and run out of the room, return with a lone holey sock......asking if it is hers, did she forget it last time?  Anything totally off the wall that will confuse her and give you something to giggle about later?  Why not?

Rather than react to her ridiculous childish selfish inconsiderate or otherwise pathetic behaviour?

 :D Sela

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2006, 11:56:58 AM »
LoH,

High maintenance people.  I tend to RETREAT.  For real.  They just wear me out.  My mother-in-law periodically thinks she might have some kind of cancer.  It used to panic us each time, then it would turn out to be something completely non-life-threatening.  So, for awhile we didn't get too worked up if she brought it up as a possibility for her latest symptoms.  Then she stopped doing it for a number of years--until last year when she got a friend of hers so worried that he notified my sister-in-law who emailed all the rest of us that maybe she had lung cancer, for real this time.  Well, that is what my father died from.  So, I was ready to have my husband fly out there since we have some experience in how that disease goes and how much time you have to work with.  But sure enough, a couple weeks later, it turned out it was pneumonia.

These people who cry wolf actually make me angry.  By the time something real happens, I'm usually not too sympathetic.  I think this continual breaking of trust actually breaks my connection with these people.  By keeping my distance, at least I don't run the risk of saying something mean that I will come to regret later on.

I remember having to look forward to a visit from my MIL when we first bought our house.  She had a number of foster children at the time too, so we had to prepare for six guests altogether.  I was so dreading it, I got sick to my stomach the day they arrived.  However, it went much better than I expected because there were so many and we were so busy.  The distractions were good in this case.  In fact, they had  such a good time they extended their visit by a couple of days.  That'll teach us!!!

Now she wants to move back here.  We keep discouraging it, not because we don't want her here--we have gotten used to the quirks and are busy enough with work that it won't effect us that much.  We just think she has it all built up in her mind that being home will be like it was 30 years ago.  She is going to be very disappointed.  The family never gets together, the weather is rough, jobs are scarce, and there's not a lot to do here compared to CA.  But she thinks we are discouraging her because we don't love her.  It's true this is not a close family.  But it's just not going to turn out like she thinks it will.  And once she moves across the country, well she's stuck whether she likes it or not.

It's funny that she doesn't believe us and our motives.  Maybe it's because she knows her own motives hide behind something false.

My suggestions:  Have lots of parties at your house.  Make it one big family reunion.  Then still have the outings you planned on only attendance is not mandatory.  Just whoever wants to go can go and the rest can hang out and entertain gramma if she's being difficult.  I sure can't imagine dragging her around with the air cast.  Even if she doesn't really need it, she will probably feel compelled to act like she does.  You'll need a walker or scooter every you go!  If you're up to that fine.  But if not, then don't feel guilty that she has made it difficult for herself to fully participate.  Keep yourself busy and happy.  That's my take on it.  Good luck surviving the visit! 

Pennyplant
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Re: Retreating
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2006, 04:55:19 PM »
Hi Pennyplant,

Yes, it's funny how often difficult folks see others' motives in way that meets their own needs. At least if your M. does come you did your best to give her a realistic picture. You're right, it's a tiring dance.

Whatever the original subject, any argument between her children and my MIL eventually crumbles to her "I'm a terrible mother/my kids keep telling me to go to hell/nobody loves me" refrain. Which, of course, derails any discussion of X, Y, or Z nasty thing she's just said or done to bring on the argument.

You and Sela (thanks, S.!) make a good point about the scooter. I have a friend with two, will try to borrow one. Boy, wouldn't that be ironic: my friend with two scooters is a Holocaust survivor, escaped the camps but lost her family...and she's one of the most positive people I know, never complains and laughs away the small stuff. Maybe a little of her good mojo will transfer from the scooter to my MIL?!

Wish I could go the reunion route but none of my H.'s family lives within 1,000 miles. Have tried mixing with my family/friends in the past, but MIL can't even play nice with near-strangers (new audience?).

Thanks for the luck and your insight, Pennyplant.

Best,
LoH





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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2006, 04:15:45 AM »
PennyPlant ,Your honest ,wonderfully written posts do have such a calming effect,even when you talk of difficult times you have had there is a sense that you can find your own true solution that is right for your family.My daughter told me everything
happens for a reason I believe thats true .My sweet mom told me Moon if you want a good life do not wait for it to happen do your best to make it happen.I believe she meant more like Moon stop leaning out that window for your dads loves he just can not do it. But look at the others that do  .Her last words were moon I love you Moon .The other one's a dry well .God Bless him .PP your writing skills are so pure natural.Must feel good just to get lost in the flow of the work .The process ..........................
Its such a honor to read your words .
moon

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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2006, 07:31:39 AM »
PP,
Ditto what Moon said about your writing and your post, I couldn't say it any better.

Moon,
I'm so glad to know this, to feel it in the sweet Mom who helped you learn to keep pickin' and grinnin':
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Her last words were moon I love you Moon


What a lucky Mom she was to have you for her daughter.

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2006, 08:54:14 AM »
Thank you (((Moon and Hops))), this means a lot to me.

On the Love Quotes thread, Anansi said "What you love you have time for".  For quite awhile now this place is what I have had time for.  Reading and posting here means a lot to me and I come here several times every day, except when I need a break to let myself think or feel something.  This place and these people are on my mind even when I'm driving someplace or at work.

Yesterday on my way home from work I was thinking about how I lose my compassion for the high maintenance people.  Even when they have a real problem I have a hard time letting down my guard or letting go of my anger over how they treat people on a daily basis.  Their selfishness as a habitual way of being.  I was thinking about it because it has happened twice this week that two of these people really need some compassion now and I want to give it to them.  But what does that mean about how they have made me feel in the past?  How do I "switch gears"?

Right now compassion is the right thing and it is the thing I want to give them.  The one person is someone I have been  jealous of even though I do like her.  And I realize that with her I have been jealous because of my own issues.  And that is a work in progress.  But I think I must try to separate that out from the compassion she needs right now.  If I can answer the question of how I can be jealous of a young woman who has a terrible marriage, some health problems, worries about her sons maybe turning out like their father, and probably as many disappointments in life as I have--well, obviously I'm jealous for other reasons besides wanting what she has.  I definitely don't want what she has.  So, I can work on the jealousy while still giving her the compassion.

The other person is someone who maybe has some N tendencies.  We've actually talked about that at work recently.  He just doesn't seem to see that other people exist other than to feed his requirements.  But today he had to take a sick day because his wife's cancer has shown up again and they will hear what comes next.  I truly thought he was just pretending this was going on for the attention.  Others suspected the same thing.  But apparently it is true.  And this is the situation where I thought last night, maybe I should just have compassion for someone like this all the time.  Regardless of what he does that seems N-ish.  The issue then with this person is the boundaries thing.  When he does his schtick, well, why does everybody give him what he wants all the time?  When he calls in, then 10 minutes later changes his mind, then shows up and says he might have to leave in an hour, (you get the idea) ...  Why do we then say, okay I'll work for him even though I have made a lunch date, okay I'll work late even though my daughter just came to town and we had plans, why do all of us take on the martyr role in support of someone else's lack of consideration?

Maybe that is why each of us gets so unbelievably angry when this co-worker pulls these stunts over and over again.  Because we give in and don't stand up for ourselves.  He triggers doubts in ourselves--maybe his back really does hurt, how can I be mean and not work for him?  We give in every time and management encourages this because then we have saved them from being the bad guy.  "Oh, he is a senior employee, he has paid his dues, and maybe his back really does hurt, I hope someone will just agree to work for him so I can get these reports done in time....."

But I think the idea of having compassion all the time is not in opposition to the idea of maintaining my own standards for myself and my life.  The idea of having compassion all the time for someone who I have mixed feelings about is maybe a little clearer.  But no less difficult for me to accomplish.

I feel more comfortable with the idea of having compassion all the time for these people.  Without becoming a welcome mat to their disfunctions.  Without getting swallowed up by their personal problems.  It saves me from the problem of switching gears and from feeling guilty for not believing them when they should be believed.  Believing them doesn't even have to be the issue.

This is the direction I feel myself going in.  I think it does relate to RETREATING in that I still don't have to be overwhelmed by my perceptions of neediness.  My responsibility for their maintenance requirements.  There is the possibility of a healthy distance.

Oh boy, I have to get ready for work.  It is so easy to get caught up in this place and the time just melts away.

Pennyplant
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Re: Retreating
« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2006, 09:31:40 AM »
Hi Pennyplant:

Your post is an eye opener.  It sounds like you've been reflecting and gaining insight as you go along.  That is a lovely thing!

I really liked this:

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I feel more comfortable with the idea of having compassion all the time for these people.  Without becoming a welcome mat to their disfunctions.

I think you've nailed it.  Being compassionate does not mean being a door mat (like the battered wife who feels compassion for her remorseful batterer and accepts him with open arms, only to bashed and beaten again, as soon as the dust has settled).  That's compassion that denies reality.  I think you have it much clearer......that one can feel compassion for another, without denying the reality of their behaviour difficulties/personality disorder.   When this is happening at work, it's a tricky situation and I give you a thumbs up for coming to your own place of peace with it.  It doesn't sound easy at all.

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So, I can work on the jealousy while still giving her the compassion.

One thing I've learned about jealousy.......it's about feelings of inadequacy.  One feels jealous because one feels less adequate (worthy/valuable......substitute at will)......than others.  If one can figger out what one is really feeling inadequate about and deal with that.....one's jealous feelings will decrease or disappear altogether.   My bet is the inadequacy is not nearly as big as it seems but it's feeeeeeeeeling inadequate that needs expressing....examining......releasing.....and that will help.

Sela

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2006, 08:25:12 PM »
Hi Sela,

That makes so much sense--jealousy growing out of inadequacy.  It's funny, but this co-worker that I have the jealousy with--I think she runs into that a lot.  She has a lot of charm and charisma and confidence.  Perfect triggers to those of us who feel lacking in some ways.  For awhile, it made me blind to what her life is really like.  Jealousy still "twinges" me.  There was a time when just hearing her laugh would make me feel tense and resentful.  Oh, it is such a complicated thing.  Maybe I still have more to learn on this one.

Does anybody else have jealousy examples?  Should I start a jealousy thread?

Pennyplant
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