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pennyplant

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Retreating
« on: June 03, 2006, 01:55:03 PM »
I so enjoyed starting my first thread.  I enjoyed getting to say things and getting to read the comments of others.  It was a topic I picked, and I wanted to respond as much as I did.  Now I feel drained or sad or something.  It seems like I need to retreat or something for a couple days.  Why is that?  This seems like something that also might apply to 3-D life for me.  Not sure what to make of it but maybe it is something I should try and figure out.  Is it that I'm comfortable with being voiceless even though it obviously doesn't meet my needs?  I don't know what this could be but maybe somebody else has this pattern too?

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2006, 02:27:07 PM »
Hiya penny,

You're stretching unused muscles. That tends to be a draining thing.
Stop and they atrophy. Use them more, they get stronger.

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2006, 03:16:07 PM »
Hi PP, I like what Mud and Storm have said, will add I think with me, I have to take breaks for 'processing'....seeing how I felt about what I'd said, what I'd thought about the replies...brain-sorting and sifting and yes, i've often felt sad and uneasy. Can I reply to you on your other thread on Monday?  I was intending to and now I thought I'd check with you. take care! bye for now, P

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2006, 03:23:10 PM »
a penny for your thoughts :) pennyplant...

another aspect of starting a break away into new realms can be sometimes, the programming one has experienced not to break free and see what others have done to one in a negative way that the other perhaps wants to think of it as if it is a positive position in life they would make for you or they want to hide the negative things they try to get away doing to you and in order to avoid you breaking free your weaknesses are played upon to make you doubt what would enable you to break free but too just coz one is breaking free from old patterns that were too limiting, one on one's part can mix in not recognizing the proper limits of freedom... i .e. a deep true understanding of the golden rule....

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2006, 03:53:19 PM »
Hi Penny, Opening new doors is always a lot of work .The gifts are great .And then we wish to rest beside the stream and reflect on all we have learned .Also PP please take joy in all the ways you bring joy and support to others .
Thanks
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Re: Retreating
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2006, 03:58:00 PM »
Mud, Stormy, Portia, Rad, Moon,

All these ideas ring true for me.  And I appreciate any and all compliments very much.  Thanks, you guys, it helps a lot.  It's okay to bring up the other thread again, Portia.  I'm not going to abandon it.  I just wondered about this "post" posting feeling I'm having.  It was unexpected.  It felt like maybe I had taken a step back, which by now I know really means I did make some progress, and I won't take it as a sign to give up.  It was just a surprise.  And it was something I couldn't explain to myself.  So, I threw a pebble in the water (with this thread) and now I'm watching the ripples expand outward.....

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2006, 05:04:32 PM »
Hi PP,
I think what everybody's said makes a lot of sense. This is maybe wacky...but it also occurs to me that perhaps our private pain, our longterm bruise from being voiceless...becomes our "friend." And when we share it, let it out in the air and sunshine, by the laws of nature, it shrinks or lessens.

In the same bizarre way we can convince ourselves that an N lover is our "friend"...I think we can get so used to our own unique pain that a part of us does NOT want to get better. (Not consciously, of course.)

So when we do take positive steps, such as sharing and airing the pain, that could also cause confusing waves of loss. (Like the way a cut itches while it heals...it's not always a comfortable process.)

Make any sense?

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2006, 07:57:40 PM »
Hi Pennyplant,

Wow, ask & ye shall receive. You have so many great answers here, I don't have much to add.

For me, starting a thread wasn't just a new experience: it was a new experience that gave me butterfly queasies of nerves. I always liked a seat in the back of the classroom. Facing an audience to say 'I_____' still gives me the wim-wams. Could that be a factor for you?

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2006, 08:23:54 PM »
Hi Penny,

Just wanted to thank you for this posting and say that I've done the dance of retreat often, in "real life", too. What Mud said is why, I think. Having trouble even putting together a sentence at the moment, after a week with my parents visiting. It's been.... surreal  :?   Thanks, Pennyplant for speaking what I could not.

Hope

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2006, 09:24:09 PM »
Hi Hops,

I tend to "miss" things when they stop.  People, places, circumstances.  And it doesn't seem to matter if it was all that great or not.  Well, if something was horrible, when it stops I don't mind.  But I am somewhat "adaptable".  The way I deal with problems or changes is to work very hard at incorporating it into my system.  And I bet this is related to the lack of boundaries, the not knowing where I leave off and others begin.  It is not something that has occurred for me with just family members or peers.  It happens with me in buildings, routes to work, schooling, jobs, clothes, everything a person can encounter.  I seem to be somewhat absorbant.  And while I'm busily absorbing some things I am completely oblivious to other things.  I think my idea lately of taking things a little more slowly and deliberately might help me become less absorbant and also less wreckless with my attachments.  Now, the previous stuff that is still in there--well, that's a work in progress.  So, anyway, I think you're right about my sense of loss.  It does make sense to me.  I won't let it stop me from growing, though.

Hi LightofHeart,

It took me a very long time to start a thread.  Probably about four months.  I notice that some people, the very first time you hear of them on the board is with a new thread telling about what brought them here.  Most of my life I have told myself, "Nobody is going to be interested in hearing what you have to say."  I used to talk a lot and nobody seemed to listen.  Logical conclusion--not interesting, might as well be quiet.  So, I don't think of myself as a natural story teller.  (Can't tell a joke to save my life, unless it is the one about the rope who goes into a bar.  That one, for some reason, sticks with me  :lol: .)

One of my quirks is that I am very comfortable in front of an audience.  Well, not unnaturally so.  But I have given speeches, presentations, and read some creative writing in front of my college class. I gave my father's eulogy.  My guess is that I can do this because it is not as personal.  I'm not trying to make friends.  It is structured.  My oldest son who has panic attacks and chronic anxiety disorder can also do the same thing.  With something specific to say and do, he can hold an audience in the palm of his hand.

The thing that finally made it possible for me to start a thread was that I finally found a subject that I thought I had something to say about and which I thought at least a couple of people would also want to talk about.  I was only slightly nervous when I  hit post.  But if I had tried to do it sooner, then the queasies would have been swimming around in there!

Hi Hope,

You're welcome.  And real life is much harder for me, too.  I liked Mud's muscle analogy because I have actually experienced it physically in real life.  My current job is very physical.  I came to it after twenty years of fairly sedentary work in offices and libraries.  Oh, those first months were hard.  The only thing that kept me at it was pride.  I would never have admitted to anyone there that I was having trouble lifting things that only weighed maybe ten or fifteen pounds.  Let alone the stuff that weighed far more.  What I learned was that I could do it and not die even if I felt like crap and was all sweaty and red in the face.  I'm in pretty good shape now for a person my size.  It feels like I know what I'm made of physically now, and I NEVER would have guessed it was possible.  So, I figure I can go the next step and work on my soul in the same way.

So, your parents have been visiting.  How long does it take to be yourself again after such visits?  Something like that can really stir up the thoughts and memories.  It is good to come here when you forget your words--it seems like there is always somebody on the board who can come through at those times.

Thank you all.  Pennyplant
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Re: Retreating
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2006, 11:57:24 PM »
PP,
You are so CLEAR. Thanks for all your posts and your good strong thinking.

But while we're on the serious stuff: please, tell the rope joke? Huh? Okay???

Anticipatorily  :lol:

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2006, 07:52:55 AM »
***WARNING***

A pun is involved!!!  Best said outloud.


One day a rope is walking down the street and he decides to go into a bar for a beer.  He sits himself down on the barstool and says to the bartender, "I'd like a Sam Adams, short."  The bartender says, "Sorry, I'd like to bring you a beer, but we don't serve ropes here.  Sorry, I'm just doing my job."

The rope is very offended but leaves and heads over to the bar across the street.  He walks in, sits down and asks the bartender for a Sam Adams, short.  This bartender says, "Hey, we don't serve ropes here.  I'm going to have to ask you to leave."

Wow, this is so insane, the rope thinks.  What does a rope have to do to get a beer in this town?

As he is walking out of the second bar, he sees two young guys waiting outside smoking cigarettes.  He gets an idea, walks up to the two guys and says, "Hey, I'll pay each of you ten bucks if you'll rough me up!"  The two guys look at each other like they think this rope is crazy or something.  "Really, just rough me up, mess me up a little, and I'll pay you $20 bucks each!"

The two guys shrug their shoulders, put out their cigarettes and each grabs one end of the rope and starts yanking and twisting.  They roll him on the sidewalk, get him all wet in the gutter and wrap him around himself.  "Okay, that's enough, that's enough," the rope says breathlessly. So they stop and he pays them their money, and he picks himself up and staggers back into the same bar he was just kicked out of.

The rope heaves himself up onto the same barstool as before and says in a gravelly voice, "Bartender, would you get me a Sam Adams, short?"

The bartender is in shock and can't believe what he is seeing.  "WE DON'T SERVE ROPES HERE!!!!  Didn't I just tell you that?!?!?!"

The rope smiles smugly and says,  "I'm . . .  a frayed knot!"

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Retreating
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2006, 08:02:29 AM »
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another aspect of starting a break away into new realms can be sometimes, the programming one has experienced not to break free

I can't recall who said this and I'm in a hurry getting ready for church, but do want to respond about retreating here.

I believe that's exactly why you feel that way...."programming."  I've seen this with the lady I have been mentoring, cwhite.  When she opens up and talks, she goes through a feeling of "loss" afterward.  She was taught NOT to talk about things openly, because then she was "betraying" her family and their secrets.  Once she began openly discussing things, she felt guilty and drained, as though something she kept bottled and sealed up tightly for years, was "poured out of her."

Keep posting, Penny.  It's good medicine after a while.

~Laura

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2006, 08:14:34 AM »
Hmmm, I need to de-program myself.  Re-educate myself.  I like that idea.

Thanks, ReallyME, your experience with cwhite is a good example.  In my case, sometimes I think I'm betraying myself too, because my mistakes are so embarrassing to me.  I absorbed the idea from my parents that I had to be perfect.  Since I am not, it felt like failure, something to be embarrassed about. 

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Re: Retreating
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2006, 08:54:53 AM »
Hi again, Pennyplant,

I like the rope joke  :lol: Those things don't usually stick with me, either, but I think that one will!

You said, "The way I deal with problems or changes is to work very hard at incorporating it into my system."

Me, too. And yes, I think it has to do with a lack of healthy boundaries, feeling overly responsible for everything around me (that "fixer" mentality), and being a "pleaser". Absorbant is a good way to put it. I often feel like a sponge when it comes to the vibes given off by those around me. It's as though I need to install a filter to trap and isolate the rubbish before it gets into my system. Right now, I'm on system overload from trying to remain calm during this past week with my parents here. Fortunately, they live 1,000 miles away and we only see them twice a year. They leave this morning, after one last stop here for another round of goodbyes. I feel physically sick at that prospect.

In the past, it might take me weeks to shake off the train-wreck sensations they leave behind. They really are not awful people, so usually I feel quite guilty for not being able to do a better job of dealing with them. This visit, I simply had nothing to say. If it hadn't been for my kids here, I think there would have been utter silence. Also, they are elderly, so each time I think to myself... this may be the last time you see them. The ambivalence inspired by that thought brings me great shame.     

I feel foolish for being so easily swayed from my place of peace and tranquility by 2 harmless old folks who've only done the best they could.  I'm just stubborn enough to refuse to play a role with them, but then I feel guilty for not doing my part.  They want me to be a sponge for their stuff and I can't go there again. I don't think they mean to steal my voice, yet they do. In the process of adapting to them, there's no room left for anything of me in me, if that makes any sense. Hmm.. my headache just lifted. I guess I can manage another hour or so of nodding and smiling now. Thanks for listening.

Hope