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Hopalong

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A cultural thing that's eating at me
« on: July 25, 2006, 11:35:58 PM »
The VERY smart and lovely young actress, Dakota Fanning, age TWELVE...has been cast in a part in which there is a brutal and graphic child-rape scene. (She is not afraid of the part, eager to do it. But she's TWELVE. What part of 12-year-olds don't perceive long-term consequences...oh god.)

I saw it discussed on several TV shows. Without exception, everyone talked about:

1) how she would be treated sensitively on the set, of course (for about 5 seconds)

2) how it might get her an Oscar! It's a groundbreaking thing! She's such an amazing kid that she "can handle it"! She's so awesome! (about 5 minutes, eternity in TV-talk time)

I am so so disturbed by no one noticing, thinking about, commenting on: given her overwhelming popularity among pre-adolescent girls... WHO DOES NOT THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THEIR HERO IN THIS ROLE? WHO DOES NOT THINK IT WILL BE DAMAGING? (Much less to her, of course, which is terriblly sad. But what about ALL OUR CHILDREN? I can just imagine the ripple effect.

Rape? COOL. It made our hero Dakota even MORE famous! Wow. (thinks the 12 y/o.) Maybe I'll hang out with more older guys.........

Want me to really admit what a fuddydud I am? I am still furious at Madonna, her heir Britney...and all those other "marketed" sexualized stars. (Not THEM, they're witless. But the industry. To me, the mainstream has gone damn close to porn.)

I am really devastated at the sexualization of our children.

Hops   :cry:
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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2006, 11:49:12 PM »
hops,
This is very disturbing, I can see why you're upset.

I watched a movie on the last plane ride I took (it was free, I got upgraded to first class), that I really enjoyed and I don't know that I would have watched it otherwise.  But it was about teenagers, and I was literally and uterlly appalled at the scene where a teenager (a child) was almost raped.  I mean, if the movie had gone there, I think I would have lost it.

The amount of violence that kids get exposed to day in and day out is mind-boggling.  Just at school alone.  I can remember being terrfied of study hall cause there were boys there that used to taunt me...  I was afraid of verbal abuse and also being raped, yes I certainly was.  I don't think it's any less damaging for kids to see it in a movie, either.  It's almost like saying its acceptable.  Also, I have these horrible memories of my N Mom sitting us down and making us watch movies of this type - of girls almost being raped, or finally reluctantly consenting to sex - and my Mom would say at the end "so there you go, don't be That dumb."  It was utterly humiliating having to go through that, I don't know what the point was.  Maybe in my Mom's sick way she was trying to protect us, since she was molested by her dad?  I don't know.

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2006, 06:14:17 AM »
Hiya Hops, Pb,

This bothers me too... I can really see where you are coming from.  How her parents can let her go ahead with this is beyond me!

But the other thing that gets me, is while I don't agree with it, I wouldn't go and watch it.  I would not give my hard earned money over to watch something I don't agree with.... lots of other people would.  If there's no one to buy the product, then the product wouldn't exist.  This is how I feel about the sex industry as a whole really... if there wasn't the people who went out and bought it, there wouldn't be an industry!!

 :o  :o I'll get down off my soapbox now!

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2006, 08:04:51 AM »
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It's almost like saying its acceptable

Exactly, PB. I am no prude, I just want children to have a chance to be children.

(Interesting what your mom did. Sounds as though in her mind it was protective....)

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2006, 08:14:23 AM »
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Hops, regarding Dakota Fanning being in the movie: It's a groundbreaking thing!


GROUNDBREAKING??? I'd say more like HEARTBREAKING!!!

Since when are they even ALLOWED to use children in movies about this crud???  I thought they always used young adults who could LOOK younger than they were.  WHEN DID THIS START???

UGH

Laura (working toward a Child Development Major in college, currently)

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 09:00:43 AM »
So right, H & H...make room on that soapbox!

Really...I don't know exactly when it started, I just feel as though the whole decay and lack of regard for children is intensifying and picking up momentum. Maybe with the world gone insane in other ways (wars)...the culture is just reflecting that, in a "why bother" kind of ethic.

It is heartbreaking. (I could strangle her parents. ANYTHNG for fame and money. Give up our child's innocence forever...)

grrrrrrrrrr

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 09:01:38 AM »
Hops,

I have not heard of this until now.  We have been watching minimal television the past couple of weeks on purpose.  All I have to say is HOW DISTURBING!  

Could it be that all the graphic violence and sex people see (and seem to crave) is the only way they can jolt themselves temporarily out of their emotional comas to actually feel something?

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 09:07:30 AM »
ANS,
I think you're absolutely spot on.
People are so jaded and overstimulated that it takes bigger and bigger jolts of shock.

Pretty soon we'll just build ampitheatres and throw the kiddies to the lions.

Sorry for the hyperbole. I just want to fly in like Mighty Mouse and rescue little Dakota.

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 09:29:44 AM »
Hops:
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Sorry for the hyperbole. I just want to fly in like Mighty Mouse and rescue little Dakota.

Yes.  I think you will have to fly in Mighty Mouse since it does seem that a good majority of us here on the board have turned in our rescue capes as of late.

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 10:10:58 AM »
Hops,
Having been molested at age 9 and date raped at 17, I have devoted a lot of volunteer time over the last 20 years to sex education and awareness for parents and children.

I can't really speak to the Dakota Fanning issue, as I know nothing about the movie or what the message is that it is intending to send.  I would certainly not want my child performing in such a role, but that could be said of many child roles these days.

I do strongly agree that Brittney, Christina, Madonna and all of their ilk send a horrible message to our young girls who idolize them.  The clothing, body movements, demeanor and musical lyrics all scream sex and provocation--telling these young girls that if you want to be adored by boys, this is the best way to do it. 

I used to spend one day a month at my daughter's high school volunteering at the check-in desk.  I never left there without having been appalled by the apparel of at least a few of the girls.  Quite often there was more skin showing than clothing and nothing was left to the imagination.  I can't imagine what the parents are thinking when they allow their daughters to purchase such items, much less wear them to school.  Interestingly enough, many of the popular/cooler boys are very turned off by the outfits and behaviors of these girls--who are probably hoping to get the attention of those very boys.  They got it all right, but not in a good way and the boys put them in the category of sluts and skanks.  I do believe that if more decent, but hot young men would speak out against such behavior and clothing (I know, who am I kidding??), the message would have a better chance of getting through.

I know, I too am showing my age, but my 18 yo D is gorgeous, has a beautiful figure, but dresses in a modern, but tasteful way, and always looks adorable and just sexy enough for her age--so I know it can be done.

OK, I'm off my soapbox.

Brigid

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 12:45:17 PM »
When I was fourteen, the movie "Born Innocent" starring Linda Blair was on TV.  This would be in 1975-76.  She was a runaway who ended up being a throw away and finally wound up in juvenile hall.  She was gang raped in the showers by girls who used a plunger handle.  This was shown quite graphically on TV.  It was absolutely stunning to me to see that.  It just terrified me.  Then, when I was being harrassed by a couple of former friends that same year, they threatened to do that same thing to me.  I was terrified again.

I think it is very irresponsible to produce something like that for a mass audience.

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 01:17:12 PM »
Hi Hops:

That is disturbing!  What's the movie called, do you know?  I hope things will change in the future, but like you, I don't see that happening very easily.

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This is how I feel about the sex industry as a whole really... if there wasn't the people who went out and bought it, there wouldn't be an industry!!

I think so too.  This is exactly why I don't think things will easily change for the better.   There are too many consumers out there eh?

I also think, depictions like this....give some people ideas.  There is so much I would outlaw, if I were in charge!!  (Put me in charge!!  Let me at 'em!! :D).    On the other hand, there are always those who will argue freedom of expression, the value of art, and a bunch of other crap!  Not when it tramples all over other people!   :x  I don't like that!!  I don't buy it!  Freedom doesn't mean disregard for all else!  Art does not execute respect!  That's my opinion.

Penny, I'm so sorry that happened to you.  How horrible!!    :shock: :shock: :( :( :x :x 

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 02:09:26 PM »
I had something happen at the Unitarian Church along the same lines, my then 7 year old said: why are those men dressed as ladies? ( cross-dressers )
I felt like there was no right way to handle it, and why should he have to see it- in church too.

We're usually very open-minded, but I wouldn't allow my child to act in a film with rapes no matter how good it was for her career.
No wonder so many young actors and actresses struggle with addiction etc.
If someone feels the film simply must be made, it should be with an older actress.

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 05:05:11 PM »
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I think it is very irresponsible to produce something like that for a mass audience.

Pennyplant

It is irresponsible, filthy, disgusting and WRONG to produce that stuff at ALL for ANY AUDIENCE OR NO AUDIENCE OR TO DO IT, PERIOD!

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Re: A cultural thing that's eating at me
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 09:20:45 PM »
Here's info on the film, "Hound Dog". I hope there's a boycott:

http://www.cinematical.com/2006/07/21/dakota-fanning-tackles-sex-abuse-in-controversial-role/

I'm not a censor. I just can't stand them taking advantage of this child's naivete.
Smart is smart but 12 is 12. It's very depressing to me.

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