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gratitude28

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Why we don't respond...
« on: September 10, 2006, 10:47:40 PM »
Hey guys,
I was feeling a bit guilty as I read a topic here and realized that responding to it was going to require too much thought and soul-searching. I just wanted to say that sometimes your topics are so deep and hard to deal with that I might sit on them for a while.
Do you all do the same??????
Hope you had a fabulous weekend. I did. I really felt content and peaceful this weekend. It was nice.
Love, Beth
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2006, 11:03:23 PM »
Yes, Beth, that quite often (more often than not) is true for me as well.  I also have been known to write a reply--lengthy or otherwise--only to read back over it and think that no one else would find it that interesting, but it helped me to write it and then I delete the whole thing.

Please don't waste your energy feeling guilty about it.  Everyone has their own levels of interest in topics and time to give.  Do what you can and feels right and let go of the rest.

Other than crumby weather, it was a great weekend around here.  At least my empty nest wasn't so empty over the weekend and that feels much better.

Brigid

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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2006, 11:10:10 PM »
The weather wasn't so hot here either...but I got to hang out with my brats, too :) They are so much fun. It must be hard when they grow up and leave the nest. I really enjoy my little guys.
As to posting... I usually write  lovely long post and it gets eaten before it makes it to the board (I figured out one thing, don't hit the post button a second time if you are waiting for it to send!!!).
No, I guess the word wasn't guilty... I just don't want anyone to think I ignore their posts... some hit home way too hard and I can't deal with them on the spot. I guess that's what I was thinking about. I am noticing that when I don't want to deal with an issue, I turn it off and send it out of my mind. I wonder what it is that brings us to the issue we need to deal with when we are ready to tackle it? I think I am tired today. Not sure if this makes sense.
Beth
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2006, 11:15:36 PM »
Hi tt,
I've had backaches too lately, and I am sure it's from sitting on my buttocks for long periods. I have ben doing back stretches because I get so stiff at night.
My husband has another 4 - 5 months to go. I miss him a lot lately. We had a nice conversation yesterday. I feel bad that he works literally EVERY SINGLE day for 14 - 16 hours. I don't know what I would do if I didn't get a bit of time to myself. It's crazy, he will work for 7 months every day, then come home and get a week or two off and then go right back to work...
The kids are doing great. My tiny six-year-old daughter has decided to play roller hockey, as has my beefy not-so-coordinated son. It should be fun to watch!!!! They love it and their coach is the nicest man!!!
How are you doing, tt??????
Love, Beth
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2006, 08:21:27 AM »
***Please read through all of what follows before responding, it isn't going where you might think, based on how it starts out***

When I first showed up here in 2005, there were many people here who are no longer active participants. - and a lot of people who are here now, the majority, I think, weren't here then; some were taking a break, some weren't here yet.

I was just becoming able to articulate the pain I had carried within for decades. I was repeatedly encouraged to speak here, to tell my story, yet I found that when I did -

almost nobody responded; or

the next response following mine was either some casual reference to an unemotional topic preceding me; or

the next response following mine was a total change of subject, to something casual again; or [worst of all]

someone attacked me for making them "feel bad!"

I can think of few things in my adult life that have hurt me as much as this did.

I was well aware that, in realspace, my perceptiveness and articulateness threatened people, but it was a real jolt at the time to find people essentially turning their backs on me here, when I was doing exactly what people were supposedly here to do - in theory - and people had been encouraging me to do it.

I did not respond well to it; and I was castigated for the quality of my response... there was no taking of responsibility for the ignoring, the baiting me to disclose and then refusing to engage me when I did.

That's how it felt to me; as though I had been lured into revealing terrible pain, so that I could be ignored and left alone with it, exactly as I always had been. There is a quality of meanness in that that is undescribable. I'm not saying that is how it actually was. I am saying that is how it looked to me, and I think, given the evidence I had and my vulnerability at the time, it would have looked the same way to anyone in my shoes.

Now: after a time, when I was able to express this without screaming at the tops of my lungs, I was told that what I shared was so devastating that people were stunned and couldn't reply at once.

I made a simple, simple, simple suggestion then - and I would like to recommend it now, because I think there may be others in the future who might feel the way I did in the past, and there is a very easy way to prevent that, and it doesn't cost a thing.

What you do is type the person's name in a set of parentheses. That is all you have to do. You give them a hug. You sit with them in silence, as Job's friends did after he lost everything. It is what we would do for a person in realspace, if we care about them. If words fail us, we hug, or we sit with, or we pat on the shoulder, or we pat on the arm, or we bring a cup of tea.

All it costs is a few seconds' thought and a few taps on the keyboard. Nothing more.

And what it would have done for me, if in 2005 people had cared enough to think enough to do that simple, simple thing, would have been nothing short of miraculous.

Sorry if anyone here feels blamed by this. It's intended to inform, not to blame. In my case it's history now, but I haven't forgotten it - how could I? and it's important to share because I'm not seeing a lot of input here from people who have been on the receiving end of this, and stuck around anyway to work through it.

And obviously it changed, or I wouldn't be here now.

But I was not to blame for it when it happened, and I know that too.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2006, 08:38:49 AM by Stormchild »
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2006, 11:27:23 AM »
Stormy, I think I have been so damaged by being ignored and/or hounded all my life that I NEVER expect anyone to be nice to me or respond to me.  Anywhere.  In fact, when I first posted here, I prepared myself in advance to be either ignored or misunderstood.  This wasn't based on anything I had been reading here or any patterns.  I actually hadn't looked that far ahead.  Just did my usual thing of expecting nothing good from anyone.  Steeled myself for it.  Even though it was obvious to me that this place was the right place for what I wanted to learn, I never even considered the possibility of fitting in or making friends.  I never thought that people here would automatically understand my story and my experiences.

I don't know yet if I should start to open myself up to having higher expectations of people.  It has occurred to me that my exceedingly low expectations might send a signal to others to keep their distance and therefore perpetuate the same old situation.  Maybe when I become less frightened of rejection and disappointment then I may naturally become more optimistic about potential friendships and social connections.  I don't really know.  It is pretty habitual for me to expect little or nothing in the way of reaching out from others.  It does bother me to be ignored, rejected or misunderstood.  So, I'm not saving myself that particular pain.  Just saving myself from being "shocked and dismayed" I guess.

That is a nice idea though to send a hug if nothing else is appropriate in the moment and you want to hug the person.  I have noticed that many people here are doing that.  It is good to revive the idea for new people.  The cuber-hugs do feel very comforting  :) .

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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2006, 11:40:40 AM »
I think I should add to my above post--

I do feel comfortable here, responded to, listened to, a part of this group.  It actually happened pretty quickly.  Then for a short spell, I felt bad.  I worried that I didn't fit in afterall.  It was during one of the times of strife.  But I learned from it and grew from that time.  Now I think I will feel like I fit in here no matter what happens.  Personal growth seems to be taking away some of my trust issues.

But when I first came here and had little to no expectations--it wasn't because of anything that I saw happening here, it was because that is where I normally start from due to my history.

I wanted to clarify my previous post because the critical tone is about me, not about this place at all.  This place is very cool  8) .  Sometimes, though, I'm not cool  :shock: !

Well, time to get ready to go back to work.

Pennyplant
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2006, 01:29:47 PM »
Boy Stormy

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I so admire you for sticking it out after those experiences.  What you describe, is what I expected.  I am deeply thankful that I have not yet experienced that here and I ache that you have.  What you describe is precisely what I have experienced over and over in the real world - to the point that I simply couldn't do it anymore.  I couldn't even make the effort  - much to the chagrin of my psychiatrist (my psychologist understood). 

I am so glad that you are here.  I have taken comfort in your words so often. When I see your name by a post I actually feel comforted, like I have walked into the room and found an old friend there.

This post took guts on your part.  Thank you.

GS

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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 06:33:59 PM »
lupine,

I remember Sugarre and wondered where she went.  It's good that you're still here.  Sometimes you just have to protect yourself and you found a way to do it.  This is quite a place.  It has surprised me at times that I can get so much out of cyberspace.  I guess I need the distance an electronic forum offers.  There were times I felt terrible here.  But surprisingly that feeling went away too.  I feel pretty good about having gotten through that tough time.

Anyway, that's what your post made me think of.  It's nice to talk to you, lupine.

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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 07:13:40 PM »
Hi Gratitude,
this is a great topic.  I see so many things that speak to me, and touch me, but I don't respond very often.  Mainly it is a set of constraints within myself.  At times the topic is so deep for me, that to respond would take a lot of thought and time, to say anything of any use to anyone.  And I don't have the time or energy, or I can't afford to get stirred up right then in front of the kids.

At other times I just don't want to start something I cannot continue, because I only come on the board every few days and by then, the whole landscape has changed.    If someone asked me a question or had a followup response, I might not even see it until it is irrelevant.

Other times, I feel a rapid response but know that there is too much me in there and not enough relflection on the other person.  I need to wait.

And still other times, I only have 2.5 minutes until I need to log out and do something for someone, so no point in trying to dash something off.

But, I do benefit from all the knowledge and experience and research up here.  I appreciate it very much.  And I want to say thank you much more often than I do.   I think I will start to post more hugs.

Plucky


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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 07:17:16 PM »
I was going to come back and edit my initial post to make it really clear that I haven't felt that way for a long time here - a long, long time. I'll say that here instead...

I'm afraid I hijacked the thread. Sorry; my post was supposed to be about the generic pain of being unacknowledged in a healing forum, but I wasn't able to remove the personal perspective the way I wanted to.

Pplant, that's a perspective that hadn't occurred to me... thank you, it is mind opening, I will try to remember it - I never accepted my disenfranchisement in the family, I fought it tooth and nail, I forget sometimes that others find different ways.

Gaining Strength, now you know why it moved me so much that, although you were put off by my description of my Nmother this past weekend you - went away and thought about it - and came back and spoke to me.  That meant SO much. It was very healing. I wish you healing in thousandfold measure to the healing you gave me...

lupine! I remember you in your past two names... how have you been???!!!! I was worried about you, not seeing you around, not knowing you were back. Never mind that now. No guilt. Just glad you're here and you're you. Umm. I think there's a lot less walloping going on around here... honestly; I think people are looking closely at which triggers are external versus internal versus some of both, and just that business of 'taking a look inside', first, tends to keep the walloping down.

Please keep lurking and posting when you feel called to post - I'm glad you didn't disappear completely... very glad.

Oh - BETH! No criticism was intended of anyone here least of all you - it took courage for you to start this thread - especially with everything you are going through right now. Now I will shut the heck up and go away quietly. Sorry for the hijack. It wasn't intended to be one.

Oops, one parting thought. Different attitudes towards past history and past pain. Some folks prefer to put it behind them and move on. I prefer to remember. I do it so that I don't inflict on others what I have suffered, and so that I can stand alongside others who suffer, tell them I do know how they feel, and be credible. Different strokes. No right or wrong way, there.

I know I'm healing or have healed by how easily I can sum up a painful experience. When I can zero in on the essential interaction, the perceived attitude [emphasis on perceived!] that caused the pain, I'm almost home. So if/when I revisit things... it's when I ramble and digress that I'm in difficulties. A concise summary means I've dealt with it.
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2006, 08:05:40 PM »
(((((((((((((((((((Stormy, lupine/Sugarre, penny, GS, plucky, tt, Brigid )))))))))))))))))))))))))
Great read!!!! Great ideas. Lots of love and sharing!!!
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2006, 11:32:34 PM »
Stormy

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Gaining Strength, now you know why it moved me so much that, although you were put off by my description of my Nmother this past weekend you - went away and thought about it - and came back and spoke to me.  That meant SO much. It was very healing. I wish you healing in thousandfold measure to the healing you gave me...

Thank you.  In this forum, I feel like I am coming back to life.  I have always felt great compassion for others but the past two years found me not only unable to connect with people anywhere but actually alienating people everywhere.  When I read your words above, I have hope again that I am human that whatever was going on has passed. 

My thanks are to you Stormy for your unbridled kindness in reaching out.

About being "put off", I wasn't put off, I was overwhelmed by the pain of it.  It was too much.  Too much to even imagine.  Too much to take in.  Too much sorrow for your experience.

This forum, this conversation makes this kind of sharing so remarkable.  We can share and think about what we read and come back later and comment.  I think this gives birth to more thoughtful exchanges and allows us to share our most painful experiences without risking our souls. 

I was thinking last week that I was too drawn in here, that my time here was bordering on addiction and then I realized that addictions come into being to mask our pain but my time here is to un-mask my  pain.  This is not an addiction.  This is my healing. 

Thanks for making me feel so welcome. - Gaining Strength

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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2006, 11:40:56 PM »
GS...
I felt like this was all consuming at first too. And I really needed it at that time. When I figured out that there was a problem in my family, and that I didn't make it all up, I spent every moment searching for information and reading all about the disorder and generally being AMAZED at how mty mother fit every pattern.
I think it is part of the healing, GS. I think there is a whole lifetime of "ahas" that you need to sort through when you put the pieces together.
To me, it is like when I first got into AA... At first all I could think about was the fact that I was an alcoholic and how to deal with that. Now I have all that as part of me and I just live with it. Does that make sense????? I guess the preoccupation is a way to internalize it all.
So glad you are here, GS.
Love, Beth
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Re: Why we don't respond...
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2006, 11:54:07 PM »
Oh yes gratitude - that makes sense.  I remember how drawn in I was at AL-anon.  That was 18 years ago.  I can hardly believe that.  I wanted to go to a meeting a day.  I couldn't get there enough and the meetings didn't last long enough.  Yes, thanks. 

This is the oasis in the dessert that I've been wandering far too long.

Thanks too for your sweet post on N-mothers.

Yours - Gaining Strength