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Mari

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More from Mari/Marital Problems/is he a Narcissist?
« on: September 25, 2006, 07:31:57 PM »
Thanks so much for the replies to my first post...I read each reply over and over again, using each to gain strength for my situation. All of your words are so heartfelt and honest, I cried. Thank you. I am trying to sort everything out, I have a postscript to add and I hope you will reply...I guess I need validation because I don't trust myself anymore. Half the time I think I am going crazy..Can anyone help? Husband came home from business trip on Friday night, then left on Saturday am to play golf with friends (overnight trip). Again, I'm left to deal with the kids all weekend on my own, plus being pregnant, having morning sickness 24/7 and totally exhausted. He came home Sunday night...very detached again, not even asking how I was feeling, how was our weekend (mine and the kids), only asking if the girls went to their piano lesson on Sunday. Okay, I need to get rather personal here...later on that evening we were intimate (for the first time in about a month and a half); he kept asking me "Why are you doing this" and saying, "I hope you're not tricking me"...what is THAT about anyway?! Why can't he just enjoy the moment and not mistrust? He acts as though I've cheated on him or something.The next morning I was feeling better than I had in weeks, feeling like we were going to be okay. His attitude towards me was better too. He went to the office and by the time he came home that afternoon, he was paranoid and sarcastic again. I helped him pack for his next trip (he was leaving last night), I told him I would miss him, he responded with, "Will you?". He went through the mail, giving me stuff to mail, throw away, etc. I felt like his secretary. The longer he was with me the colder and colder he got toward me. I HATE how I act when he's home...like a puppy dog following him around. Trying to do things for him, trying to "look busy" so he won't think I'm lazy because I'm pregnant. When I was walking him to the door I asked him to call me when he got to his destination so I would know he was safe. He said, "Maybe". I hugged him goodbye and told him, "I love you". He replied with, "Do you?" He said, "I feel so foolish". Then he got all angry because the last time he left on a trip I asked him for his itinerary (phone numbers, etc.), he gave me a copy and I left it sitting on the entryway table. (He translates this into I didn't care where he was going, I didn't "post" or use the itinerary, he wasted his time giving it to me). He made such a big deal about it, "I have a valid point, don't I?!", he said. "I didn't rush to print you a new itinerary this time". Then, on that happy note, he left. God, why does he LOOK for things to get angry about?! And why do I LET him push my buttons?! I am so angry. I am terrified that I will lose this baby with all of the stress he is putting me under and the emotional roller coaster I am constantly riding. Is this emotional abuse? Will he ever get better? He says he's not angry about my being pregnant, but I can't help but thinking deep down he is because all of this latest ugly behavior began right after I told him I was pregnant. He never mentions the baby. It's as though deep down he's jealous of it. I told him that my parents were picking out a baby crib to keep at their home and he didn't say anything. Whenever I tell him how I'm feeling (he never asks) he doesn't respond. What is wrong with him? What is wrong with me for accepting this behavior? I have a medical appointment in the U.S. in a couple of weeks and I am beginning to think about staying there (with my parents) until he gets his head together. I can't take this anymore. I would appreciate ANY and ALL advice and/or words of encouragement. I need to have my feelings validated because I don't trust myself any longer. The only thing I'm sure of is that I have GOT to take care of this little baby.
Thank you for reading. Looking forward to replies....Mari :(

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Re: More from Mari/Marital Problems/is he a Narcissist?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2006, 08:22:39 PM »
Mari,
I'm very sorry for all you are having to deal with right now, in addition to being pregnant.  I'm sorry to say that if your h is n, there is not much hope that things will improve.  Your situation does sound abusive and it also sounds like you have lost your sense of self.

My xnh was never abusive, but he lied about everything and we had very little intimacy in our 22 years of being married.  You do get into patterns in a marriage when you are busy raising children, taking care of a home and perhaps also working outside the home.  Sometimes it is difficult to see life in any other way because you are just trying to get through day to day.  Many times those patterns are not healthy and the marriage is not healthy, but you can't see that when sitting in the middle.

Is there any chance you could see a therapist?  This made a big difference for me as I tried to figure out the craziness that was going on around me.  My T diagnosed my h as n, otherwise I would never have understood what I was dealing with.

I don't really have any other words of wisdom.  I hope you can find a way to save yourself and your children.  It will not be healthy for them to grow up in a household with a distant, uninvolved father unless he is willing to get some help.  From what you write, that doesn't sound promising, but I guess it is something to consider.

I'm sorry that you can't enjoy a time of life which should be joyful to both parents.  I hope that by visiting your family, you will gain the strength necessary to make the best decisions for you and your children.

((((((Mari)))))))))

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Re: More from Mari/Marital Problems/is he a Narcissist?
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2006, 09:03:46 PM »
Hugs, Mari

Re:   I am beginning to think about staying there (with my parents) until he gets his head together

I think this is a wonderfully brilliant idea. Be safe.

Love,
Hope

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2006, 09:08:37 PM »
Hi Mari,
I like the plan you are considering.  First, do you have local support, a friend, sitter, household help, or anyone who can help you day to day?  There is no reason to be a martyr.   You have stress already, just try to reduce the physical demands you can delegate.

Then, think it al through and get your duks lined up for staying with your family.  Are they supportive?   Would it b a good place to go and feel safe?

I am pulling for you.  Just come onto the board for support. We are here for you.   But make sure your H does not find out.
Plucky

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 12:25:05 AM »
Mari,
I really think your husband's overnight jaunts might be about more than golf or business. The reason he might be turning the situation around to you is that he himself is with another person. I am sorry to be so blunt, but I think you might suspect this from your post. Until you know for sure, I would avoid physical contact with him. You do not need a disease for you and the baby.
I think your idea of going to your parents' is wonderful. It might give you some clarity while you decide how to proceed.
Please take care of yourself.
Love, Beth
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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 12:28:58 AM »
Also, Mari, I give you total validation. You are 100% correct that he will never change and it will only get worse. I have a question for you? Are you quite a bit younger than him? It sounds as if he treats you that way, along with the rest. Did you fall for the dashing older guy? I may be way off here, but that is the idea I am getting and I also feel he is preying on your youth and innocence.
Your baby must come first... as you said. Even if you have to be a single mom. How helpful would your parents be????
Beth
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Re: More from Mari/Marital Problems/is he a Narcissist?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 01:25:47 AM »
hi mari,

From reading your post, I'm getting the sense that it would not be OK for you to say the following, for example:

H:  Why are you being so lazy, just because you're pregnant?
Mari:  Excuse me?  I'm sorry you don't understand.  You seem angry with me, when I'm just taking care of myself and the baby.  I think its best we don't discuss this until you've cooled off.. (walk away - it is OK to walk away, in a healthy relationship, people do this when they need space or feel like they're being abused)

H:  Why should I have to print out my itinerary for you - you obviously ignored it the last time.
Mari:  I'm sorry you feel that way.  I actually did not ignore it, no matter what you think I may have done.  Do you want to discuss this and get to the bottom of this and find a resolution?  Cause you seem upset, and that is making me upset.  I don't want you to be upset with me.

H:  Why do you want to get intimate with me? (said angrily)
Mari:  Cause I love you and that's what loving couples do (patiently).   Is there something bothering you about the way I show my love for you that you'd like to discuss? 

In other words, if you cannot even picture yourself having an adult relationship with this man - if you cannot picture yourself being the adult, and just responding sanely and calmly to his accusations/projections/demands - whatever they are...I'd say you might be afraid.  You are afraid to be an adult because of his reaction.  Why?  This might have a lot more to do with you than him, and in my experience, this has been something I've been able to work out myself in therapy.  Just because it's scary for us to stand up for our rights in the relationship, in other words, does not mean that the other person is necessarily abusive - they could just be clueless/uncaring/opportunists (but in this case, from what you've described, your husband sounds cold and abusive, yes).  When my b/f and I first got together, he was at least 10 times more abrasive than he is now.  I worried he might be abusive.  When I finally gained the skills to 1) ask for what I needed in the relationship, and 2) tell him, with kindness rather than anger, that is when the relationship started to improve.  In other words, we Teach Others How to Treat Us.  You're teaching your husband his behavior is OK.  It most certainly is not OK, though, judging from your reaction.

If you cannot speak freely about your feelings in the relationship, there is probably no intimacy, I agree with Brigid on that count.  A loving relationship is about expressing one's feelings - good and bad, and not being afraid.  You feel afraid to express yourself around your husband.  For whatever reason, he is intimidating you (could be because he's an N, could be because he's cheating on you and he feels guilty, could be because he's just insecure) and you are afraid of his reactions.

I do think that going to stay with your parents is a wise choice for you at this point, provided they are not abusive/N.  Are you ready to see this/come out of denial, if this may be the case?  Are you willing to go to therapy to ask these questions?  In my experience, finding faults with my relationships (which were not as abusive as I'd have liked to think, in some cases - I can see that objectively now - although some certainly were), always led to me running back to my abusive parents.  It was the role I was playing.  I'd screw up (pick a "bad" guy - my N parents never liked the guys, by the way), I'd go running back to N Mom and N Dad, and they'd be relieved I'd come to my senses, and that I was now back under their control rather than his.  This was much more disfunctional, in many ways.  Please consider therapy, as a gift to yourself.  I'm not saying it will be easy, but you and your baby deserve it.  You are a beautiful person who deserves to love herself and deserves to have someone love you.  K?

hugs Mari,
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Re: More from Mari/Marital Problems/is he a Narcissist?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 07:17:57 PM »
Hi Mari...I'm so glad you wrote again. Since previous posters have given you such superb response I hope you don't mind if I'm just brisk and direct, but trust it's heartfelt.

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Is this emotional abuse?
YES.

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Will he ever get better?
NO.

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He says he's not angry about my being pregnant, but I can't help but thinking deep down he is because all of this latest ugly behavior began right after I told him I was pregnant. He never mentions the baby.
TRUST YOUR INTUITION.

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I am beginning to think about staying there (with my parents) until he gets his head together.
BRAVO (as long as they're decent people)

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I can't take this anymore.
And why should you? I don't care if he's handsome, rich, successful, or as confident as Donald Trump. He is (imho) a mean person, a cold and witholding and unkind husband, and he will make a lousy, perhaps deeeeeeeeeeply destructive father.

I'm sorry, but I truly believe what I've said.

Hopalong

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