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Isolation, Paralysis, and Anxiety Medication
« on: October 17, 2006, 03:04:17 PM »
Hi Everyone,

It’s been months since I posted, but I read your messages almost everyday.  I have learned so much from each of you.  Thank you.  I hadn’t posted in a while, because I didn’t feel like I could give as much to others or be as supportive as I should be, because I feel like such a mess myself.  But then I read some one else (Dragonsamm on the poll thread) saying something similar, which made me feel better. But I still feel so isolated most of the time.

My basic question is just this  - what do you all think of anxiety meds?  Are there any that don’t affect the libido?  Are there any that I should avoid?

I should let you know in advance that this is a long ramble.  Feel free to comment on just this, or if you want the long version of my question with context, read on…

I have had all this in my head too long.  I feel so isolated and I forgot how good it feels to write it all down.  Anyway, this is why I wanted to ask what you all think about anti-Anxiety meds - I have never been in touch with my emotions, other than depression, until I got into therapy about a year ago. 

Now I realize that my life seems ruled by fear and anxiety. I don’t sleep well, I have anxiety attacks, I’m a mess in social situations. I feel paralyzed professionally and feel like I can’t move forward. I’m afraid all the time. I drink more alcohol than I would like to, and I watch too much TV in an attempt to quiet those nasty voices in my head (self-medication, I guess).   Most of the day I talk back to them with things I learned here and elsewhere, but by the end of the day, I’m just too tired.

This feeds into an argument I had with my husband, who is usually sweet and supportive, but sometimes defensive and impatient with my healing process.  I think he is annoyed and confused sometimes now that I am not as much of an empathic people-pleaser (from N upbringing) as I once was.  We are in couples counseling. 

Last night my husband and I fought about his pot smoking.  I don’t like it and tried to set a boundary with him recently, telling him that I don’t want to be around him when he is high.  Last night when he was high (self-medicating, too, I think), he came into to see me (I was watching TV and having a drink, of course).  He got mad when I asked him to please respect my boundary and leave me alone until he came down from his high (maybe I am throwing stones from within a glass house). 

I think there are two issues here
1)   normally I would have caved in and pretended to enjoy hanging out with him (people-pleasing), and he is hurt and confused now that I am doing something different.
2)   I am increasingly uncomfortable with both of our self-medicating.

We will probably discuss this argument in with our marriage councilor in a couple weeks.  I know I can only control my own actions.  I will try to drink less alcohol, join a gym to exercise, and look into anxiety meds.  Although my therapist suggested I consider meds on a couple different occasions, I have avoided them until now, in part because most (?) have a side affect of lowering the libido.  My libido is low to begin with (linked to childhood sexual abuse and later promiscuity in search of “love” and attention – similar experiences other ACONs have shared on earlier threads – thanks for sharing those!).  Plenty of sources for anxierty in my life.  I feel overwhelmed by all the work I have to do.  I feel paralyzed.

Whew!  I reached a dead end and don’t know what else to say.  Guess it must be time to take a deep breath and post. I welcome any and all comments.

Thanks again to you all.


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Re: Isolation, Paralysis, and Anxiety Medication
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2006, 03:42:54 PM »
Hi New2,
You are really full of insight...this so good, and it has momentum...

I can offer thoughts from my own experience:

For me, SSRIs don't remove my libido, but they make it difficult to orgasm.
Secondly, I don't care. I find the constant beat of panic & anxiety so horrible that it's worth it.
Third, when I need antidressant/anti-anxiety Rx, I take them...and I have discovered that for me, it does not have to be permanent. I intentionally stopped taking them for several years a while back and did well because I read up on what ELSE combats anxiety and depression. (They are so often intertwined, yet we try to get them in separate concept boxes. That no longer works for me. Whether I got depressed because I was bummed about being so anxious, or anxious because of the pain I felt when I was depressed...doesn't really matter to me. In different periods of my life, one or the other has been closer to the surface, so to speak, but I am convinced they are closely related.

When experts write about what else combats anxiety and depression, they're not just offering you some vitamins when you need chemo, imo. These alternative things affect the brain and body by creating chemical changes, which is what synthetic drugs do. (I'm not saying one's better than another, I'm on SSRI right now. I am saying you need to know that you have much more power to work with your issues than you think. This would not apply, of course, to anyone with a severe degree of biochemical imbalance such as bipolar or schiophrenia or such. But for many very very anxious people, these things can and do make a big difference. If after a sincere and consistent trial of the right combination of these for you, you still need Rx, I say go for it. You can get off them later when your life circumstances are less stressful.)

Some alternatives:

massage
chamomile tea
valerian (dose carefully)
hops  :lol:
B vitamins
no caffeine
no alcohol or recreational drugs
lots of water
art (doing it, fingerpaint or sculpture, doesn't matter)
60-beat music (special tapes of classical compositions that mimic the at-rest heartbeat)
hypnosis (miraculous for me)
regular consistent exercise, esp. nature-based, e.g., walking or swimming
connecting to plant life daily
*spirituality and a faith community
*altruism with 1-on-1 contact with those being helped, not organizational/administrative
meditation or prayer
contact with animals, caring for and stroking them
watching fish swim
bird feeders and daily observing
therapy
*support groups
spiritual reading
working no more than a 40-hour week, no excuses
hope

* very good places to build friendships and create your own personal sense of 3-D community -- very important

Also, please read up on panic disorder, there are many many good books that include very specific ways to avert a panic attack. I used to have truly terrifying panic attacks for years and it's been nearly a decade.

Hope these are helpful and I'm so glad you're back!

Hops

« Last Edit: October 17, 2006, 03:47:14 PM by Hopalong »
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Re: Isolation, Paralysis, and Anxiety Medication
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2006, 06:49:53 PM »
Dear Iamnew,

Hops has much more knowledge and experience with this than I do, but I will share my brief experience with anxiety/depression meds.  When I was taking them, I desperately needed them.  I wasn't eating, or sleeping; I was obsessing about my marriage falling apart, and I felt like I had a 10 ton weight on my chest at all times.  I tried Paxil first (prescribed by my ob/gyn) and it made me very sick and inorgasmic.  They then tried Wellbutrin, which advertises less sexual side affects, but I was allergic to something in that.  A psych finally put me on Lexapro, which I managed very well, but it also made me inorgasmic (did not decrease my libido), but by that time my marriage was over and it didn't matter anymore.  I took them for about 5-6 months, weaned myself off and haven't needed them since.

Obviously, the excessive alcohol is going to act as a depressant, so reducing the intake should help somewhat.  It sounds like both you and your h could use some help with self-medicating.  Are there children in the home?

I hope you can find the help you need.

Brigid


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Re: Isolation, Paralysis, and Anxiety Medication
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2006, 09:41:55 PM »
Having been through this mill myself, I'd recommend caution before getting into the Rx solutions.  Give the other actions a shot, such as giving up alcohol, and see what happens.   My experience is that anti anxiety medications are highly addictive, and once into this  routine it is extremely hard to stop.

I took antidepressants for four years combined with an anti anxiety medication to treat insomnia which was supposedly a depression symptom.  After 4 years I was 50 pounds overweight, and gaining a pound a month.   I gave up the antidepressants without too much trouble and immediately started losing weight with no trouble at all.  Giving up the anti anxiety med was more difficult.  As soon as I stopped I had an instant "rebound" effect with withdrawal symptoms that went on for nearly a year.  Then I went on something of a "health kick".  I gave up alcohol, caffeine,  started regular exercise, added vitamins, and other healthy foods e.t.c...(many of the things on Hopalongs alternative treatment list)   It took awhile but I am no longer depressed and don't have insomnia.   I have lived free of prescription drugs for 6 years now and feel far better than I did when I was on the chemical treatments. 

Part of the problem is that once on a highly addictive drug, you don't know if you are ever cured.  When you try to quit the withdrawal symptoms convince you the original disease is still there.  So it is easy to get into a perpetual cycle of drug taking.  And the medical system is far too quick (IMO) to add more and more chemicals to supposedly balance the effects.  I've heard of people who take a half dozen chemicals for years at a time.  I have a relative who has been on Prozac for 15 years, and has become a walking zombie.   

Good luck to you Iamnew.  It seems you are taking a reasonable cautious approach. 



 

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2006, 10:32:30 PM »
Hi I am new!
I have so much in common with you...
Where to start????
I take Celexa now for depression/anxiety. I started taking it about three years ago (I was on Paxil, but I don't trust it, I feel it does something weird in my brain... I get little "pings"...it's hard to explain).
I am also in AA. I got pretty bad with drinking after a while. When I first got on the meds, I went back to drinking because it didn't seem such a big deal. However, drinking does not fit in with my life, and, as you so smartly stated, I was using it just to self-medicate.
At any rate, I got sober over 2 and a half years ago, and I have changed to the Celexa. I still have a great sex drive. Both desire and ability to achieve and all that :)
It sounds like you are on the right track with your husband... seeing a cousellor and deciding how to stop the drug/alcohol use. It won't be easy, but it is a pleasant journey and as you go along you realize you feel better than you ever have before...and you will continue to find what in you is new, and what of the old is you, if that makes sense.
Thanks for coming here and posting!!!! Please do check into the meds. You will feel a lot better when you don't feel a monster is chasing you all the time.
Love, Beth
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2006, 10:51:45 PM »
Hi Iamnew,

I took Paxcil for a while and found this to be of no help with previous panic attacks .
The Clonazepam I take now is to insure regular sleep pattern.(Very low dose)
Now after being dignosed with bipolar I take trileptal which has turned my life around.

I never was depressed and the panic attacks are gone .
I believe because of the understanding of my FOO.And proper medication for bipolar has made positive difference in my life.

Hops list is great.Also I do not drink or smoke and cut down on caffeine.I do not eat meat.
The medications I am taking are not effecting my married life in any way but positive.


MoonLight

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Re: Isolation, Paralysis, and Anxiety Medication
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2006, 10:55:52 PM »
hi IamNew,

Good to hear from you again.  It's easy for people (not here, outside) to give advice like: don't worry.  You worry too much.

Well, for someone with anxiety/depression symptoms, it is not a choice for us.  There are powerful chemicals in our brains, like hops said, controlling our moods.  We cannot just make them stop.

Like beth, I've had a positive experience with anti-anxiety meds (both Paxil and Effexor XR) and would not consider going off the Effexor.  I'm also back on thyroid medicine (doctor said my underactive thyroid could also be causing some of my anxiety symptoms).  Please go to a caring doctor and have them do a complete blood workup and see what it shows.  You might be surprised.  Then, you can talk to your family care practitioner and/or psychologist about trying an anti-anxiety medication.  I also tried Zoloft a long time ago; it did not work and did decrease my libido - so double wammy there.

I've also stopped drinking.  And I'm in therapy.  These were dramatic life changes for me.  I cannot say which did the "trick," but I'm very happy with my progress; this combination of changes seems to be working for me.  I still feel anxious at times - the meds to not erase all anxiousness- but it is less.  And, I'm learning how to stick up for myself, how to protect and be true to my real self, and how to manage those brain chemicals.  It's really a life long process.

Whatever you choose, if you're flexible and willing to try new things, you will hit on something that works for you.  You just cannot give up.  Keep trying.  Erase that negative tape in your head that says Things are not going to Change for me...   blah, Phooney!  Just keep ejecting that thought and replace it with: I deserve to heal and I know I can do it!  (even if you don't believe this, if you keep telling yourself, you may one day)

hugs,
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Re: Isolation, Paralysis, and Anxiety Medication
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2006, 02:23:29 AM »
PS---
I forgot my SAD light!
Although I'm on Cymbalta now (which I'm not crazy about for the famous SSRI side effect, but which I adore because it has greatly dampened my chronic pain from a slipped disk...so I feel stuck w/it)...

what I used when I went off SSRIs for a couple years a few years ago was:
30-45 every morning with a (genuine) SAD light shing toward my face while I drank two strong cups of black tea, plus vigorous daily walks

I felt great

Hops
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2006, 05:57:34 AM »
Hi Everyone,

It’s been months since I posted, but I read your messages almost everyday.  I have learned so much from each of you.  Thank you.  I hadn’t posted in a while, because I didn’t feel like I could give as much to others or be as supportive as I should be, because I feel like such a mess myself.  But then I read some one else (Dragonsamm on the poll thread) saying something similar, which made me feel better. But I still feel so isolated most of the time.

My basic question is just this  - what do you all think of anxiety meds?  Are there any that don’t affect the libido?  Are there any that I should avoid?

I should let you know in advance that this is a long ramble.  Feel free to comment on just this, or if you want the long version of my question with context, read on…

I have had all this in my head too long.  I feel so isolated and I forgot how good it feels to write it all down.  Anyway, this is why I wanted to ask what you all think about anti-Anxiety meds - I have never been in touch with my emotions, other than depression, until I got into therapy about a year ago. 

Now I realize that my life seems ruled by fear and anxiety. I don’t sleep well, I have anxiety attacks, I’m a mess in social situations. I feel paralyzed professionally and feel like I can’t move forward. I’m afraid all the time. I drink more alcohol than I would like to, and I watch too much TV in an attempt to quiet those nasty voices in my head (self-medication, I guess).   Most of the day I talk back to them with things I learned here and elsewhere, but by the end of the day, I’m just too tired.

This feeds into an argument I had with my husband, who is usually sweet and supportive, but sometimes defensive and impatient with my healing process.  I think he is annoyed and confused sometimes now that I am not as much of an empathic people-pleaser (from N upbringing) as I once was.  We are in couples counseling. 

Last night my husband and I fought about his pot smoking.  I don’t like it and tried to set a boundary with him recently, telling him that I don’t want to be around him when he is high.  Last night when he was high (self-medicating, too, I think), he came into to see me (I was watching TV and having a drink, of course).  He got mad when I asked him to please respect my boundary and leave me alone until he came down from his high (maybe I am throwing stones from within a glass house). 

I think there are two issues here
1)   normally I would have caved in and pretended to enjoy hanging out with him (people-pleasing), and he is hurt and confused now that I am doing something different.
2)   I am increasingly uncomfortable with both of our self-medicating.

We will probably discuss this argument in with our marriage councilor in a couple weeks.  I know I can only control my own actions.  I will try to drink less alcohol, join a gym to exercise, and look into anxiety meds.  Although my therapist suggested I consider meds on a couple different occasions, I have avoided them until now, in part because most (?) have a side affect of lowering the libido.  My libido is low to begin with (linked to childhood sexual abuse and later promiscuity in search of “love” and attention – similar experiences other ACONs have shared on earlier threads – thanks for sharing those!).  Plenty of sources for anxierty in my life.  I feel overwhelmed by all the work I have to do.  I feel paralyzed.

Whew!  I reached a dead end and don’t know what else to say.  Guess it must be time to take a deep breath and post. I welcome any and all comments.

Thanks again to you all.



Best thing about posting here is that we find all our sibling twins, separated at birth.   :lol:

I also find it very difficult to post sometimes.  I write something, and then when I look at it, the words seem trite, and lacking in energy.  They go flat, and seem really stupid.  I write 'You have to have compassion for yourself too', and when I read it it looks like 'you can be as selfish and thoughtless as I am', and I delete it in shame.  Shame is a very nasty feeling. 

And when I do manage to post, for a while it is all about me, and how hard it is, and how I am struggling, and then I feel like I am taking and taking, and that people here will get fed up with that and tell me to get a life, the same as those around me do. 

But then, if you get that far, and manage to post without deleting, and read some responses, it changes, and the fears start to melt away as you see that there is understanding, and acceptance, and the perfectionism in our heads is not reflected in what we find.

So, finally to get from me (selfish!!!) to you, there are several points I would like to make.  The first is that you are aware of the situation you are in, and you are doing what you can to work towards a better life.  That is such a wonderful position to be in; maybe one in a hundred couples even get that far!!  Second, even though you are a couple, and have a strong relationship, you recognise that you are not just half of one, but half of two.  Which means that you are allowed to set your own boundaries, and to live by them.

Perhaps you could explain to your husband that setting a boundary like this is not just protecting yourself.  It is also protecting part of him, and it is an important part of any relationship.  You are, imo, right to ask him to keep away during times when you are not prepared to have him around.  Whether this is because of drugs, or even if it were just garlic breath, you do have this right.

I think you are doing very well to have counselling, and I wish you well with it. 

In terms of your own alcohol intake, I think you are right to be concerned about it.  Alcohol is a depressant, as has already been said, and it will make you feel better in the very short term, but worse in the medium and longer term.  If you use it as self medication, it is likely to prove self defeating.  I am not the best person to comment on anxiety medication.  I have had various meds in the past, but at present prefer not to take anything on a regular basis.  I have St John's wort in the cupboard for days when I feel the need for a slight lift, and I have Diazepam to use if it is going to be beyond me to cope without anything.  (I don't take them together.)  But mostly, I manage, because I know my own condition, and (I think) I know the worst bits well enough now to ride them out.  I think anything that upsets the body's natural chemistry is to be used with caution, and I prefer to stick to what I know.  I use a ritual cup of tea as a calming device, which I think is very English.  I know the cup of tea actually effects nothing whatever, but if it calms my mood enough to face the next few hours, then where is the harm in that?  If I feel like a 'proper' drink, then I have tonic water, ice and lemon.  Looks and tastes like a grown up alcoholic drink, but it is not going to affect my mood two hours later.

God, now I have this 'I know it all, I am where it is at, and if you follow me you can't go wrong' feeling about what I have posted.  So, to clarify, I know very little about anything, which is more than most of my family, but still leaves me struggling.  And you really, really, don't want to follow me where I am.   :?


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Re: Isolation, Paralysis, and Anxiety Medication
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2006, 10:47:34 AM »
((((((((((((October))))))))))))))))))

You sure are very very hard on yourself.
I think you were giving some perfectly sound and wise experience-based advice.
No reason to say: discount this because it came from me.

Whack!
Hops the Reluctant Avenger boxing the ears, metaphorically speaking, of those who made October feel she's not just as good as everybody else.

(Which she is. And is on her way to integrating.)

Another (((((((((October))))))))).

love,
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2006, 12:05:05 AM »
Hi New,
I just Googled "60-Beat Classical".
http://www.nextag.com/The-Most-Relaxing-Classical-57122274/prices-html?nxtg=11c7f0a20050a-5FCB5733015EDAE1
You might try heartbeat classical music...sounds about right for a search.

I think if you key in panic disorder or anxiety into an Amazon search you'll fnd good book choices too.

Good luck!

Hops
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2006, 09:22:50 AM »
((((((((((((October))))))))))))))))))

You sure are very very hard on yourself.
I think you were giving some perfectly sound and wise experience-based advice.
No reason to say: discount this because it came from me.


I was trying to voice both the good and bad side of me, because I think some people who read here and do not post might get the idea that those of us posting may not have the same fears and insecurities they have.  I didn't mean to worry anyone; those messages are there, but for the most part they do not have my attention.

((((((((Hops))))))|))

This reminded me of another point.  As many will know I have ptsd.  One of the features of this condition is that during therapy there can sometimes be a very strange transferance situation between the t and the patient, which has been identified by Dr Judith Herman as the rage of the perpetrator.  It is as if the patient is haunted, and that rage travels with her, and something about the therapy dynamic brings it forth in some way.  Therapists have to be very wary of this, and allow for it.

In my case, it would be a whole crowd of them.   :lol:

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2006, 10:04:34 AM »
Dear Iamnew,

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I got scared when I read your question about children in our home.  I kept myself awake with it half the night last night. We have a toddler who I love more than anything.  i obsess about being the perfect mother, though I know its not possible.

I'm sorry to have created this anxiety for you.  It was certainly not my intent. 

There is no such thing as the perfect mother and I'm sure you are doing a wonderful job.  Having grown up with an alcoholic father, however, I am conscious of the affect of drug and alcohol abuse on children. 

If your alcohol intake is restricted to a couple of glasses of wine before and during dinner, I don't think you have any issues to be concerned about.  If you lived in Europe, that would be a normal life.  There are also health benefits to consuming some alcohol each day.  I didn't drink during the week when my kids were little, but I certainly have a drink or two at night now that they are adults and away at college most of the time.

I do have different feelings about the pot smoking, however, and always have concerns when that behavior is going on in a home with children.  But as you say, you can only work on you for now and hope that he eventually sees the need to alter his own behavior.  I'm sorry that the T does not see the need to address that issue.

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2006, 10:27:12 AM »

October,
Selfish???!!??  No Way!!  I love to her people share their experiences and feelings about this stuff. That's why I read this board. I could have written the first couple paragraphs of your message - they could have been my words.  I think you are very giving - comming over here to comment on my thread when you have lots of your own stuff going on (I read your recent threads and sympathize).  I call myself selfish a lot, too. (Why can't I muster a little more energy and hop over to October's thread and offer some support?  Selfish me! Lazy me!  Arg, this self-labling gets exhausting).   A little tiny part of me knows it's not true. How about you?  Maybe we all just do the best we can.  Your discussion about setting boundaries with my husband is interesting.  I had not thought of my setting boundaries as also protecting him. Or as rightfully something I could do.  I thought I was acting out of pure self-preservation.  I like your spin in it.  And, October, ditto on what Hops just said.  I like your ideas.  I like how you express them.  I am proud to walk beside you on this journey.


I think the more we own up to thoughts like this, the easier it is to see the lie.  There is nothing selfish about looking after yourself first, so that you then have the strength to look after those around you.  Remember the oxygen on an aircraft; adults are told very clearly to put their own masks on first, and then those of their children.  Same with life.  None of us will be any good to any of our friends if we don't do the warm bath, cup of tea, chocolate biscuit, maybe even glass of wine thing once in a while. 

The reason I said that about the boundaries with your h, is that I made my h leave in 1997, and divorced him in 2000.  He thinks this is an act of betrayal and abandonment.  I see it differently.  It may be those things, but it is also an act of love.  By making him leave, I limited and contained, not completely, but to a large extent, the further negative effect on our d, and the example of alcholism which studies show children can learn from their parents.  My d is part of me, but she is also part of h, and by protecting her, I was obeying a higher law than the law of the marriage license.  It is the law which says that the strong must protect the weak, and that if that means preventing someone from hurting a child, that is an act of love to both the child and the would be perpetrator.

So, by setting a boundary for your h, you are preventing him from abusing you, by being high in your presence when you find that unacceptable.  That is an act of love on your part.  You are saying, I respect you too much to allow you to harm your wife, and if I can prevent it by setting a boundary, then I will.  This is a good message for both of you, and in time will be a good example to your children.
   
I am proud to walk with you too.  And anyone else here, posting or not.  ((((((((((hugs)))))))))

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2006, 10:38:33 AM »
Hi New,
Until your H decides to deal with his pot habit, I think you should insist that he smoke only outdoors. Reason? Your child can smell it, and will forever associate that pleasant smell with something good, which could set him up for later addiction himself.

My daughter's father was completely addicted to pot and it was a major issue in our marriage.

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