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dandylife

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A Scientific Look at Empathy
« on: March 06, 2007, 10:04:57 AM »
I have experienced that the vast majority of the posters here are thoughtful and caring. "Mindful" is how I would describe it. Things did get out of whack, but I think that tends to happen when one or more people are gripped by serious emotion. We are all affected by it. I hope we all can find our "centers" and become mindful and remember everyone else's fragility (this is mostly a reminder to myself). Dandylife

A thought-provoking article from LiveScience.com:


Empathy allows us to feel the emotions of others, to identify and understand their feelings and motives and see things from their perspective. How we generate empathy remains a subject of intense debate in cognitive science.

Some scientists now believe they may have finally discovered its root. We're all essentially mind readers, they say.

The idea has been slow to gain acceptance, but evidence is mounting.

Mirror neurons

In 1996, three neuroscientists were probing the brain of a macaque monkey when they stumbled across a curious cluster of cells in the premotor cortex, an area of the brain responsible for planning movements. The cluster of cells fired not only when the monkey performed an action, but likewise when the monkey saw the same action performed by someone else. The cells responded the same way whether the monkey reached out to grasp a peanut, or merely watched in envy as another monkey or a human did.

Because the cells reflected the actions that the monkey observed in others, the neuroscientists named them "mirror neurons."

Later experiments confirmed the existence of mirror neurons in humans and revealed another surprise. In addition to mirroring actions, the cells reflected sensations and emotions.

"Mirror neurons suggest that we pretend to be in another person's mental shoes," says Marco Iacoboni, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine. "In fact, with mirror neurons we do not have to pretend, we practically are in another person's mind."

Since their discovery, mirror neurons have been implicated in a broad range of phenomena, including certain mental disorders. Mirror neurons may help cognitive scientists explain how children develop a theory of mind (ToM), which is a child's understanding that others have minds similar to their own. Doing so may help shed light on autism, in which this type of understanding is often missing.

Theory theory

Over the years, cognitive scientists have come up with a number of theories to explain how ToM develops. The "theory theory" and "simulation theory" are currently two of the most popular.

Theory theory describes children as budding social scientists. The idea is that children collect evidence -- in the form of gestures and expressions -- and use their everyday understanding of people to develop theories that explain and predict the mental state of people they come in contact with.

Vittorio Gallese, a neuroscientist at the University of Parma in Italy and one of original discovers of mirror neurons, has another name for this theory: he calls it the "Vulcan Approach," in honor of the Star Trek protagonist Spock, who belonged to an alien race called the Vulcans who suppressed their emotions in favor of logic. Spock was often unable to understand the emotions that underlie human behavior.

Gallese himself prefers simulation theory over this Vulcan approach.

Natural mind readers

Simulation theory states that we are natural mind readers. We place ourselves in another person’s "mental shoes," and use our own mind as a model for theirs.

Gallese contends that when we interact with someone, we do more than just observe the other person’s behavior. He believes we create internal representations of their actions, sensations and emotions within ourselves, as if we are the ones that are moving, sensing and feeling.

Many scientists believe that mirror neurons embody the predictions of simulation theory. "We share with others not only the way they normally act or subjectively experience emotions and sensations, but also the neural circuits enabling those same actions, emotions and sensations: the mirror neuron systems," Gallese told LiveScience.

Gallese points out, however, that the two theories are not mutually exclusive. If the mirror neuron system is defective or damaged, and our ability to empathize is lost, the observe-and-guess method of theory theory may be the only option left. Some scientists suspect this is what happens in autistic people, whose mental disorder prevents them from understanding the intentions and motives of others.

Tests underway

The idea is that the mirror neuron systems of autistic individuals are somehow impaired or deficient, and that the resulting "mind-blindness" prevents them from simulating the experiences of others. For autistic individuals, experience is more observed than lived, and the emotional undercurrents that govern so much of our human behavior are inaccessible. They guess the mental states of others through explicit theorizing, but the end result is a list -- mechanical and impersonal -- of actions, gestures and expressions void of motive, intent, or emotion.


Several labs are now testing the hypothesis that autistic individuals have a mirror neuron deficit and cannot simulate the mental states of others.

One recent experiment by Hugo Theoret and colleagues at the University of Montreal showed that mirror neurons normally active during the observation of hand movements in non-autistic individuals are silent in those who have autism.

"You either simulate with mirror neurons, or the mental states of others are completely precluded to you," said Iacoboni.
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2007, 10:36:33 AM »

Dandylife,

This is absolutely superb.

Thank you.

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 03:06:19 PM »
Hi Dandylife,

Thank you for the interesting read. One thing that has always puzzled me is that it's generally accepted or stated that N's have no real capacity for empathy. This is part of why they can look at you with their cold eyes while you lay emotionally bleeding before them.

But it seems to me they have an incredible capacity to read other people. They seem to have the skills of empathy - being able to know a person's vulnerability, ascertain another person's emotional climate, predict your behavior, read your moods. I mean, I find it difficult to believe it's just coincidence they can repeatedly sucker punch you when you're starting to feel "too happy" and bring you down "to your place" or go into a rage triggered by guilt they feel, because they know how deeply they hurt you and in anticipation of the disapproval they know is coming, they blow up at the first hint of it - whether the hint is a preclude to actually expressing disapproval or not.  And how about all that manipulating they are so skilled at? You can't manipulate another without possessing some of the skills that are a part of empathy...kind of reminds me of a society having technological skill and using it to dominate and destroy life, rather than to connect with and honor life.   

Whether it's mirror neurons just not operating all the way, in stead of completely off, or whether it's some other factor, I've come to believe that N's are very empathic in terms of accessibility to another's inner workings, but what they read does not invoke caring from them. It's just information to be used at their discretion to their benefit.

Interesting to see how much of that would, also have a physiological basis.

I read that trauma in childhood can alter your brain chemistry. I wonder how much of that could factor into this in certain individuals.

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Re: A Scientific Look at Empathy
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007, 08:06:14 PM »
Is it possible that men don't have some kind of neurones that they do not understand how a woman's heart works?

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Re: A Scientific Look at Empathy
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007, 08:14:58 PM »
Lupita,
Ok, that demands a question that asks for more info? Did a man hurt you and not recognize your pain? (duh, that's pretty dam* common) but I'd like to hear your story if you're ready to share?

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 09:49:54 PM »
Hi Dandy, no big deal.  Just an N. Left him after eight years and stayed single since then. fifteen years. Just alone. Lonely too.

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 11:03:09 PM »



Hi dandylife,

Good article.  I don't pretend to understand all of it, but I'm comforted to know that there are smart people working to understand the human mind.

tt

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Re: A Scientific Look at Empathy
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 09:39:33 AM »
Lupita,
You lived with an N man for 8 years? That's a long time. I'm sure you had a lot of painful experiences. I'm sorry to hear that since then you haven't found love. Are you looking?


Dreamsinger and tt,
Glad you found the article interesting. I have also experienced the feeling that N's have an uncanny ability to 'read' people but sort of on a need-to-deal-with basis. My N for instance is in the helping profession and at work is known as exceptionally empathetic. However our best friends complain that when they come over and visit he will totally ignore their needs, not even asking if they want a glass of water and will even eat in front of them with no apology. It just doesn't register.

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Re: A Scientific Look at Empathy
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 11:21:35 PM »
Hi Dand, yes peinfu. What most hurst is to think  that he made my son suffer so much and I took him out of ther until six years. It took me six years of my son's life to understand that I had to leave. That is painful. The N, I could not care any less.

About science, I just read about neurotransmiters related to pleasure. There are some people who do not posses or have very little of those in the neurones and they are impossibilitated to feel any pleasure in life. Have you heard of that?

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Re: A Scientific Look at Empathy
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 08:39:39 AM »
Okay, maybe I'm imagining things, but I could have sworn someone asked me about trauma affecting brain chemistry on this thread. Been meaning to come back to it, but can't find the post...was it on another thread? I lose track sometimes.

But anyway, if I was asked and I'm not just talking to myself (which would not be unheard of), I have to say I'm not sure where I read that. I'd have to look into it, but I seem to think that a book I read, "The Betrayal Bond" http://www.gentlepath.com/productdetail.cfm?product_id=27 contains that info.

Don't know if that's where I got the information, but it's a great book, regardless.

I'll try to look around some more and see where I read it. Could have been in a research paper or something.


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Re: A Scientific Look at Empathy
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 08:42:34 AM »
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Okay, maybe I'm imagining things, but I could have sworn someone asked me about trauma affecting brain chemistry on this thread. Been meaning to come back to it, but can't find the post...was it on another thread? I lose track sometimes.


Hello DreamSinger,

My apologies to you, it was me.

Thank you very much, for posting in response to my question here on this thread and also for the book link / info.

Bless you

Leah xx

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