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Re: Reasons for anorexia and eating disorders
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2007, 02:43:18 PM »
Ami,

Your post about fear really got to me.  I also have this problem about fear.  I so want to get away from my family.  I've wanted that for years, but I'm so afraid to try it.  I'm afraid that she'll do something to ruin it, or I'll fail and will live up to everything she's ever said, that I can't make it on my own. 

I had a very heart wrenching night with my son, who's 10.  He has Asperger Syndrome, a mild form of autism.  My mom likes to tease him that he's fat.  He doesn't do teasing well at all, most of the time he takes any sort of teasing very seriously.  He's also small for his age, and a real beanpole.  So when my 10 year old is crying and saying, "I'm fat.  I need to go on a diet," it really ripped my heart out.

I am so afraid to break away.  I'm afraid that my Nmom will somehow be there, or that I'll ruin my kid.  I constantly second guess myself and try to figure out if I'm being too controlling or if I'm just being stern.  I don't want to be like my mom.  She tells me that she thinks his school has mistreated him, which it has to a degree, but she's also yelled and screamed at him all year about school.  She's put all this pressure on him to keep his good grades, even though I said grades really didn't matter.  He's 10.  He doesn't have to have straight A's. 

My fear and anxiety have caused issues with my stomach for years.  My friend told me she thought all of my stomach problems were due to stress, and I didn't believe her at first, but now I do.  I got out of a really bad work situation, and after about eight months, my stomach did start to get better.  Of course, now I'm trying to do this break for freedom, and it's flaring up again. 

I'm not so afraid of my anger.  My anger is the only thing that seems to help me accomplish things.  I have to get angry, and stay angry to accomplish anything, mostly I'm afraid of success.

Janet,

I had a friend who's mom did something very similar with her pads.  She always bought her the kind that had to be attached with a belt.  I remember giving her some of my "new" ones and she was so surprised because she didn't even know they existed.

I think one of my worst memories is being about 10 and playing Barbies when my mom said, "Do you want me to tell a secret?"  And of course, I did.  So she told me that I was a young woman now, and I wasn't her little girl anymore because I was growing up.  This was the closest thing we ever had to a talk about sex.  I just remember feeling so abandoned because I wasn't her little girl anymore.
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2007, 04:57:44 PM »
Tayana,

Thanks for sharing that.

I think you know better than you think you do about what's right your you and your son. Your mother should mind her own business (but being an N, she won't!). I broke off contact with my Mum 13 years ago. It was one of the most difficult decisions I've ever made, but looking back, I think it was absolutely necessary, and I widh I'd done it sooner. She'll try her hardest to get you back, but it's your life (and your son's) and she doesn't have the right to control you.

I'll repeat that : she doesn't have the right to control you.

Your Mum telling you that you 'weren't her little girl any more' once you started your periods is such a strange way to deal with your own daughter growing up. I haven't got children, so I find it hard to understand how any mother can do that, as I expect that I'd be as supportive as possible to a daughter who's just going through completely normal bodily changes. How do mothers reading this feel about it?

I must admit, I felt really vulnerable, and ashamed, writing about my experience of having to use incontinence pads. I've never told ANYONE that before, not even my husband, or girly friends - not anyone. It's good to get validation about it, as it's screwed me up for years.

Keep writing, please!

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2007, 03:25:37 PM »
Finding Peace,

I feel for you, and I understand, although my mother really ignored me once I had my period.  I was grown up then.  It's so sad that your mother did that to you, and didn't seem to care.

Ami, This line really hit home.

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A  true monster takes away the joy of innocence.  It is a story about good and evil, beauty and ugliness.This monster could have been the monster is a fairy tale.

That's so true.  I think that's what my mom did to me.  She took away my innocence and made me her confidant so that I knew the sordid details of her marriage.  She'd try to turn me against my father by telling me all of the awful things he did to her.  She always assumes that everyone is talking about her or conspiring against her when you want to have a private conversation with another family member.  She'd tell me all of these things about how she couldn't trust my dad, and I swore when I grew up and had a relationship, that I would be honest.  I wouldn't constantly lie to my partner like my parents do.

That's what our moms did to us, took away our innocence, and it's an awful thing.  I'm so glad this board is here.
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2007, 05:12:30 PM »
Finding Peace,

Thanks for your post - that was really well expressed. You had me reading it in a state of tension, as I *knew* how it was going to end! I hadn't realised until recently just how much my Mum's behaviour changed once I started my periods, but for mothers to be so deliberately vicious when they feel you are 'growing away' from them is unbelievable. The effects of being treated so negatively over the issue of periods and all that that entails has caused problems for me of self-loathing for years. It's bad enough that society encourages us to deal with everything about periods as if it doesn't happen, but when your own mother does it...!

Just goes to show how screwed up they are, I suppose.

Ami,

The feeling of numbness that you mention is something that I carry with me all the time. I have to concentrate just to 'stay in the moment'.

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2007, 08:29:10 PM »
Ami - ......
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2007, 03:54:09 PM »

I am so very sorry that your mothers could not give you the simple things like a smile or that looks wonderful even if you painted your nails up to your eyeballs.  If you cut your bangs off to your forehead which my daughter did.  I would still tell you maybe it's a good idea that we go to the hair cutter the next time but you look beautiful anyway.

Your mother could not give away what she didn't have.  You got short changed.  She was wrong. 

What I love about you girls is you know you were these great little kids.  What I really love about you is that you know now that there is nothing you could of done to change it so now you are accepting it.  There was nothing wrong with you. It was them.
Now you grieve. 

They were empty people.  Walking shells of something that resembles a mother.  They gave you life, food and a home but did not know how to live life with you.  They had no clue. They were already Inner dead when they had you.

But I see you are not.  You are very much alive inside out.  Your climbing through the rumble of explosions of craziness that was dropped upon you for years.  You see light and hands extended reaching to pull you through showing you there is life, good life.  Your leaving them behind with sadness and grieving but understand that you do not have to remain there with them.  You would of loved for them to see the same light but they can't they have always been walking wide awake with their eyes wide shut.   

You girls are very strong.  I feel scared and sad just from walking with you on your post.  I'm proud of you all too.

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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2007, 05:27:58 PM »

Ami,
What you said really struck a chord with me:

" I want to say something strange, but I think that you will understand. I am "shocked" when people"affirm " that I had a bad mother. "

It's so much more common for people (not on this board, but just about everywhere else) to tell you no, you were wrong, your mother DID love you, she DID want the best for you, etc etc, (even if they never knew her) - they can't face up to the fact that some mothers are BAD!!

It *is* shocking to have your ideas and feelings affirmed, because it has so rarely happened before. It's a shock to be believed, for once.

Deb,

Yes, sometimes I believe that I was an OK kid, but it takes a lot of grieving to handle the fact that my own mother despised me and tried to annihilate my self-esteem and creativity. Still working on that one!

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2007, 05:36:59 PM »
Deb - that was absolutely beautiful.  Thank you.
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2007, 05:41:36 PM »
Janet - Ami,

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" I want to say something strange, but I think that you will understand. I am "shocked" when people"affirm " that I had a bad mother. "

Ditto.  Against all evidence to the contrary, I still struggle with accepting that she was a bad mother.  As I remember more and more, it becomes so obvious, but a part of me still doesn't want to accept it.   I am not sure why  :?

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2007, 05:47:01 PM »
Hi Peace,
Can you think of her as emotionally ill?

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2007, 06:11:05 PM »
OK - I am getting behind the posts again...

Ami - You mentioned that you lost it when your father stated she was fine.

It is really odd - before I read your post, I had a thought earlier today that I see a lot of posts about your incubator (aka mother – I hope this doesn’t offend – sometimes I hide behind dark humour) – but not your father.  I was thinking about this, and it reminded me of something my T said when I was in therapy.  He said, “I keep writing MOM with capitals. I never write in capitals.  I think my subconscious is telling me that there is something going on there – you hardly ever talk about her.  Do you think we should talk about your Mom?”  I thought about it for a minute and replied, “No, she isn’t physically abusive that often, she is just kind of there, a presence in the background, but that is about it.”

He was so right.  Neglect and abuse can be overt and it can be passive.  My mother never lifted a finger to protect me.  One time I asked her if her parents ever hit her.  I figured that if she had been hit, then maybe this would explain why she let it continue.  I will never forget it, she got this look of total shock on her face and said, “Ohh Noooo, I was a good girl, my parents would never have hit me.”  I was devastated by this – the obvious implication was that I was a bad girl and deserved what I got.  I am sorry, but I don’t understand how a 2 year old deserves to be slapped in the face for not going to sleep – nonetheless, in her mind, I deserved it. 

From what you said, it seems to me that maybe your father falls into the same category.  I may be projecting here, you haven’t written a lot about him so I am not sure that it is the same.  In my case, I feel that my mother sold me out to save herself.  Sounds to me like your father did the same thing when he denied that there was anything wrong with your mother – when, IMO, her actions clearly define her as an emotional infant.

If it is true, this adds a whole new layer to the betrayal. 

You also mentioned that they are destroyers of innocence (Tayana you said the same thing).  When I had kids, it was a real eye-opener to me.  My daughter is currently the age that I was when I was supposed to do an art project for an inter-school district competition.  It was not required.  I was young, but had a bad habit of forgetting things.  The night before the project was due, my mother started in on me for forgetting.  It was really nasty – that cold, voice, “What is wrong with you that you can’t remember anything… You will never make it anywhere if you can’t start to remember.  I can’t be responsible for remembering everything for you – what will you do when you are an adult if you can’t remember anything” And on and on.  It wasn’t screamed at me, it was said in that nasty, cold voice - as a statement of fact.

That night I did the project.  About a week later, I came home from school and my mom was sitting in the kitchen.  She was clutching something to her chest – she said to me, "You won first place in the art competition.  You got a trophy.  I don’t know whether I should give this to you or not. You don’t deserve it. You didn’t do that poster until the night before it was due."  Out of hundreds of kids, I won first place.  Did she say congratulations?  No, just put me down some more.  For about 2 months after that, my mom suddenly developed an interest in drawing.  I never saw her draw before in my life.  She drew all of these pictures, signed and framed a couple of them, and hung them on the wall; my artwork – trashcan.

You know the funny thing, I completely forgot this incident until a couple of months ago.  This was the kind of thing that just happened on a day-to-day basis when I was growing up.  It was normal.  As an adult, I now realize that she was insanely jealous that I won something, and had to take the success of that away from me.  The way she was clutching it to her chest, they way she started drawing and framing her own pictures.  I had no idea that this was what was motivating her when I was a kid – when I was a kid, all I took away from that incident was that I didn’t deserve to win because I had trouble remembering and that I would never amount to anything.

I look into my daughter’s eyes and see that innocence.  It is totally age-appropriate for my daughter to forget things.  Instead of criticizing her for it, I find a way to help her remember – notebooks, bulletin boards, etc.  And if something gets forgotten, and she gets upset – I ask her, in 20 years, is it really going to matter if you forgot this?  If she won first place out of hundreds of kids – even if she did the project last minute – I would throw a huge party for her to congratulate her. 

In a lot of ways, the only person we had to rely on growing up was ourselves.  I see the innocence, happiness, and light in my daughter’s eyes, and I figure that I am doing pretty good considering that I didn’t really have parents.  Look at the wonderful relationship you have with your children – IMO, this is a really strong statement of who you are and the strength you have to break the cycle of abuse.  Not an easy thing to do.

Janet – you summed it up in one sentence: 
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Just goes to show how screwed up they are, I suppose.
  Yes – and I think it is testament to how strong we were to have survived and to recognize and break the pattern – I think it is remarkable that we were able to do this despite having emotional infants as parents.

Sorry for the long ramble  -  got on a bit of a rant there!!!
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2007, 06:23:40 PM »
Hi Hops,

I saw your post - this is a really good question, and part of the problem for me I think.  I have to run - 2 hungry kids just charged in the door.   I will post later.  thanks

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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2007, 04:52:43 AM »
Finding Peace,

Congratulations on coming first with your artwork!! (Even though it's a bit late to be saying it, you still deserve to be congratulated!)

It reminded me of when I was 6. At the end of the summer term, all the kids made a decorated portfolio, in which to carry home the art they had made during the previous school year. I was so proud of mine, as I was good at art. I took mine home to 'present' to my mum, and guess what her reaction was? Screwy, just like your mum's was. She said 'Don't think I'm having THAT STUFF on the walls!'.

She made me go out to the dustbin, tear each painting on half, and stuff it in the bin immediately, even though I was in tears. Talk about annihilating the opposition. How awful to be that terrified of creative competition FROM A SIX YEAR OLD.

I've never forgotten her behaviour, and it makes me upset to even write this. As I've mentioned on here before, I design embroidery for a living now, but I've got no confidence in my designing ability, really, so if someone's offhand about my work, or openly critices it, I'm distraught for days. Thanks, Mum.

Hopalong,

I have tried to think of my mum as emotionally ill, or mentally ill, or whatever, but whith 'normal' people who are 'ill', it seems to be so much more 'benevolent' - even if people are irritable when they're in pain, etc, you can forgive them because they don't mean it. N's seem so determined to be mean (even though some explanations of NPD say that they don't consciously set out to be that awful, it feels like that when you're on the receiving end).

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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2007, 10:08:40 AM »
Hi Hops,

Between you and Deb, my mind has been cycling all night.

You asked if I could think of her as emotionally ill.  You hit the nail on the head (how do you do that so well – and in so few words?).   

I do see her as emotionally ill but don’t want to, and this is why I struggle with calling her a bad mother.

I believe that my mother is who she is given the totality of her life experiences, be it the generation she was raised in (very rule-bound and restrictive to women), an abusive childhood (although she denies this I suspect she was emotionally abused), living with a very abusive husband…..  I feel for her.  She is miserably unhappy - she never found the strength, courage, or wisdom to question.  She just blindly accepted what was in front of her – when it got too ugly she twisted reality into something she could live with, a reality that bore no semblance to the reality I lived with.  She did this for her survival – regardless of what it did to me.  I think a lot of people are like this – they never question, which is what allows the cycle of abuse to continue.  While I would rather kill myself before I sacrificed my kids for my well-being, I can understand how she came to be who she is.  I could even accept it if she would just stop abusing me.  But she can’t.

The problem for me, I think, is that if I see her as emotionally ill, it lessens her culpability.

As an extreme example, I know of someone who has paranoid schizophrenia with OCD.  She is a mess (not meant in a nasty way – she has a very severe case) and can be extremely abusive.  I don’t hold her accountable for her actions – she cannot control them.  If she were my mother, I would feel responsible to care for her, to respect her for who she is right now given her illness, and allow her, as she is, in my life.

Along the same lines, if I allow myself to think of my mother as emotionally ill, then it excuses her behavior, and as a result, I should respect her for who she is right now given her disease, and allow her into my life.
 
While part of me does feel this way (which is why I struggle with giving her the label of bad mother) – that calm quiet inner voice I spoke of before - screams NO.  NO MORE.  She has caused so much damage and pain, and continues to do so whenever she gets a chance.  I feel like I am a shadow of what might have been.  I repeatedly tried to get through to her and I can’t, all I got was more abuse.  I just can’t take anymore.  I went NC last fall; for me to enforce this, I need to hold her accountable, the alternative is unacceptable.

But you know, you have me thinking, maybe I can find a way to allow my compassion for her and to accept her emotional illness, without sacrificing myself and my life at the same time.  Maybe instead of trying to deny that she has an emotional illness, I can find a way to accept that I cut her out of my life despite the emotional illness and that my decision to do this is OK.  Is that possible?  Can a decision to cut someone out of your life when they have an illness actually be OK? 

Or maybe, if I think of her illness as severe as paranoid schizophrenia, I could have her in my life, and disregard anything that comes out of her mouth as a symptom of her disease.  I don’t know if I have the strength to do this.  So much nasty, slime-filled, radioactive, sludged-filled water has gone under the bridge and continues to flow under the bridge.  I just don’t know.  Maybe I am being selfish, but I cringe inside at the thought of allowing her back in. 

Either way, it would be a huge step towards finding peace.

If any of this makes sense it is a miracle – Deb’s post hit me pretty hard (in a good way – I am a little rusty with emotions and have been watering up since I read it).  One of the things she said:

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really, really struck home.  Maybe the next step for me is to accept her illness, all the while knowing that what she says and does can’t hurt me unless I allow it.  Then I can let her be a part of my life, and move on.  I am just so tired of being hurt – I don’t know if I can do this.

Hops, thanks for asking that question and Deb, thanks again for that post.  You’ve given me a lot to think about.  This board really is a wonderful place.

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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2007, 10:10:44 AM »
Oh Janet,

I am so sorry your momster did that to your artwork – there is no excuse.  How awful.  I just can’t fathom how a mother could do the things ours have done.  I picture myself doing that to my kids – and it would just break their hearts – I couldn’t do it.

IMO, you should be proud of yourself.  I think children sacrifice a lot to try and please a parent.  As a child, it would have been very in character for you to throw away your love of embroidery, in an attempt to please your mother.  You didn’t.  Despite all of the negative reinforcement, you preserved something you loved as a child and continued with it into your adult life.  Not only continued with it, but have become successful at it.  You did not allow her to take that away from you – good for you! 

I would love to see you make a wall hanging out of your art and display it proudly. Maybe (if you have time) small pieces of embroidery designed around positive memories in your life made into a quilt – so that every time you see it hanging in your home, it is a symbol of your strength to hold onto what you loved, of good moments in your life, and reinforcement that somehow despite the craziness of your childhood, you not only survived, you turned out better than OK.  You deserve that.

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