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towrite

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Has anybody read ...
« on: June 13, 2007, 08:07:37 PM »
"Why is it always about YOU" ???  Good book, good tips, but it makes me tired.
"An unexamined life is a wasted life."
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dandylife

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Re: Has anybody read ...
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 03:18:22 PM »
Yes, I have read it. I did learn alot from it. It seems to take the standard position that the person is basically toxic and there is no real hope of them changing, so if you WANT to continue a relationship, here's how you handle it.

It does give some really great tips on how to de-escalate n-istic behaviors. But I never really have found a way to de-escalate my own emotions in the moment, so I'm sort of stuck.

And so, it's always about them after all........


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Re: Has anybody read ...
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2007, 09:34:09 AM »
Yes, I have read it. I did learn alot from it. It seems to take the standard position that the person is basically toxic and there is no real hope of them changing, so if you WANT to continue a relationship, here's how you handle it.

It does give some really great tips on how to de-escalate n-istic behaviors. But I never really have found a way to de-escalate my own emotions in the moment, so I'm sort of stuck.

And so, it's always about them after all........

Dandylife

What's interesting is that the position that the person is basically toxic and cannot change is really not at all the 'standard position'.

Look at all of us, here, look how much time and anguish we spend in trying to figure out why hateful abusers who enjoy hurting us, feed on our pain, drink our tears -- don't just wake up one day remorseful and filled with love for us.

Look at how we twist ourselves ischemic, trying to find the magic words, the secret gestures, the special way of thinking that will turn hate filled, toxic family and coworkers into angels of light.

My god. THAT is the 'standard position'. The idea that it's up to us to fix these people. The idea that their viciousness is our responsibility. The idea that we can't just stand up, dust off our palms, and say, 'this is nuts, the hell with it, I'm OUT of here!' And go.

Because 'they love us'?

Hardly.

Because 'they need us'?

Well, yes; they need us to abuse, to put down, to dominate. They need us like a predator needs prey.

Why do WE need THAT?

LET it be about us for a change. LET it be about YOU for a change. Stand up. Dust off your palms. And say "I've done enough. It's your turn to do something different now. And if you can't, or won't, I'm out of here."

The door is open, and it's right in front of you...
The only way out is through, and the only way to win is not to play.

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2007, 11:51:01 AM »
stormchild,
I meant the standard position of the therapist/professional who doesn't have to LIVE with the person. The one who winds up treating US, the abused.

I agree with you, the door is there for us to use. We struggle with that all the time! Alot of us have used it. Ironically for me, I went back through the door again.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2007, 02:43:08 AM »
Stormchild,

I just loved what you said. I was laughing and cheering.  Very empowering.

Thanks

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2007, 06:01:32 AM »
Wow.. Stormchild!!! Right on- I too felt like I was at a empower rally! We should all Shout out "To Hell with it, THIS IS NUTS, I am outa here!

My husband claims to love me, he tells me he loves me, but does he show it? NO! and do I let him get away with it, and try to overcompensate for his lack of affection? You bet and I am really good at it! Give me a situation and I can come up with a really good reason why he behaved that way! I can even convince myself it is normal. I posted on my thread about Vegetable beef soup- He told me I liked it, I actually thought for a moment that maybe I used to like it. Through reading your personal stories and struggles, my glasses are becoming less foggy and I am really seeing for the first time. and let me tell you how clear things are starting to look!!!

MY Door is open and it is my choice to walk through it!!!

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2007, 10:23:05 AM »
stormchild,
I meant the standard position of the therapist/professional who doesn't have to LIVE with the person. The one who winds up treating US, the abused.

I agree with you, the door is there for us to use. We struggle with that all the time! Alot of us have used it. Ironically for me, I went back through the door again.

Dandylife

(((((Dandy)))))

I'm sorry I misunderstood your position, but also glad, if you know what I mean... glad you don't buy into that sick warped idea that it's always up to US to accommodate THEM.

I also ache for you, for the situation you are in. You are so right. If every therapist on the planet were forced to live with the kind of abuse most people here have endured, 'No Contact' would be a sacrament.

((((((( )))))))

Sea storm, I missed you, I've been glad to see you here again, I hope I said as much earlier but I want to say it again. Knowing you were laughing and cheering has made me smile - thank you!!!

((((( )))))

INC - :-) - we're mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore! :-) - oh yes. They say the opposite of what they do all the time. It's cognitive dissonance, and it's a deliberate move to keep us confused and off balance. I think there are some posts about that here somewhere, a search should bring them up.

((((( )))))

WE CAN BECAUSE WE THINK WE CAN --
WE CAN BECAUSE WE KNOW WE CAN!
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Re: Has anybody read ...
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 10:26:59 AM »
Glad to see you posting again, towrite.  How ya feeling?