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Saw this article in the paper: this is very much one of those things that you should know beforehand.

http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/other/articles/2007/06/18/alcohol_stronger_after_obesity_surgery/

Here's the front half of the article:

Alcohol stronger after obesity surgery

By Sudhin Thanawala, Associated Press Writer  |  June 18, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO --People who had obesity surgery got drunk after just one glass of red wine, researchers reported in a small study that was inspired by an episode on "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

"A lot of people think they can have one glass of wine and be OK," said Dr. John Morton, assistant professor of surgery at Stanford University Medical Center, who is the study's lead author. "The concern here is they really can't."

Morton has performed more than 1,000 gastric bypass, or stomach stapling, surgeries. He said he routinely warns his patients about drinking alcohol, but it wasn't until Winfrey discussed the issue on her show last October that the public really took notice. He said questions poured in.

"I didn't find a whole lot in the literature, so that prompted the study," he said.

The research team gave 36 men and women -- 19 who had obesity surgery and 17 who did not -- five ounces of red wine each to drink in 15 minutes. Using a breathalyzer, their alcohol levels were measured every five minutes until it returned to zero.

More than 70 percent of the surgery patients hit a blood-alcohol level of 0.08 percent, which qualifies as legally intoxicated in California, and two reached levels above 0.15, Morton said.

By contrast, most of the control group had levels below 0.05 percent, the study reported.

Researchers also found that obesity patients took longer to sober up. After matching the control group with the patient group for age, gender and weight, they found the patients took 108 minutes on average to return to a zero blood-alcohol level versus 72 minutes for the control group.

Morton said the obesity surgery patients don't produce as much of an enzyme that breaks down alcohol because their stomachs are smaller. Also, the alcohol passes to their small intestine faster, speeding up absorption, he said.

The findings, which were presented recently at a meeting of bariatric surgeons, highlight an important warning for obesity patients: "Never have more than a couple of glasses in a single sitting, and don't drive afterward," Morton said.
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Thanks-do you know if that includes the lap band?  It is ok for me because I am at a point in my life where alcohol is not a problem.  I am also almost entirely weened Off of caffeine too!
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I don't know for sure, but as a biochemist/medicinal chemist/quasi-healthcare professional, I did notice that it says the effect is a result of the stomach being smaller. I don't think it matters so much exactly how the stomach's size is reduced; whether they use staples or a band probably makes no difference, in other words. it's a result of there being less gastric surface area, and of the stomach contents reaching the intestines much faster than if the whole stomach was being used to digest the meal.

I'm a little surprised by this myself, because I would have expected the hepatic portal system to pick up alcohol very efficiently from the small intestine, and carry it right to the liver, so that the blood levels wouldn't rise this much.

(Say what? There are veins that go from the stomach and intestines right into the liver, the nutrient-rich [and in this case alcohol-rich] blood from our digesting our dinners goes to the liver first.)

Anyway, apparently in the case of alcohol the left and right gastric veins pick up a lot more of it than I thought. And when the stomach is reduced in size, those veins aren't going to pick up as much of that alcohol, because much of the stomach surface isn't available to absorb the alcohol anymore. Apparently the intestinal portion of the portal system simply can't compensate.

Here's a wiki link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatic_portal_vein

and if you have a strong stomach here's a link to a beautiful anatomical drawing. It's a drawing, in black and white and gray, not an actual picture.

http://www.peterjurek.com/rbv_site/web_pages/hps.html

The portal vein system is the dark black set of branches, you can see how they go from the stomach and intestines to the liver.

Anyway: just wanted you to know about this ahead of time. It's something you'll have to take seriously and be careful about. I'm wondering now, how this affects the absorption of other things, like vitamins and medicine. [In other words, if they never looked at something as simple and obvious as alcohol before, what else haven't they looked at?]

You might want to ask your doc about this stuff. It couldn't hurt.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2007, 09:00:34 PM by Stormchild »
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Hi Storm,

This is on the subject of bariatric surgery, but not on alcohol.   My mom had bariatric surgery.  She was obese when she got a tiny cancer on her stomach ten years ago.  So when the surgeon removed the cancer, he also did stomach reduction.  Post recovery, she has been prone to anemia.  In a conversation with her physician, I am almost positive I heard him say that in having the bariatric surgery, the part of her stomach that absorbed iron had been removed and that anemia is not unusual for patients having had B surgery.  My question is:  Does the stomach have certain areas that are designed to absorb specific nutrients?  It sounded like that is what her doctor was saying.  Or is it just that the stomach is now smaller and there is not enough stomach surface to absorb nutrients in general?  I'm a bit confused.   

tt

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Hi tracks

here's a good short course from Harvard!

http://sickle.bwh.harvard.edu/iron_absorption.html

and here's a page about specific malabsorption issues associated with one type of bypass surgery.

http://www.stronghealth.com/services/surgical/bariatric/rouxeny.cfm
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Thanks for those links Storm.  I'm sure there is information there that I need to understand some of the stuff that goes on with my Mom and her health.

tt