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kaylebsmommy702

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The Custody Evaluation w/ N...
« on: June 23, 2007, 03:41:03 PM »
So we had the evaluation. It moved so quick I barely got to tell her anything about my ex-N, except he manipulates my son to think I don't love him since I don't have a car and so on....She read through his criminal record- it included corporal injury to a spouse, assault with a deadly weapon not a gun, battery, domestic violence, possession of a controlled substance, possession of over an ounce of marijuana, possession of drug paraphernalia, and the list went on.... My mouth was open the whole time! I had no idea he had a record like that! there was ATLEAST 2 charges (if not 3 or 4) every year since 1995. And she read through mine- I had a couple driving on a suspended license 5 years ago.
 
 I also had his other sons mother to back me up and speak with her, but by the time she got to see the woman, they sat down and she told her, you've got 5 minutes - go. It just seemed like the evaluator was against me before I even walked in there. So in the afternoon when we went into the court room, i was so freaked out because my lawyer had told me that in his 25 years of practice, every judge has gone with what the evaluator has reccomended. so, the evaluator read through all of her notes, (everything we said), like how I think he says negative things about me in front of our son- not that he manipulates and drills negative things into his head- and how the NH is concerned that our son is not eating like he used to- Probably because he has told him he is allergic to meat and will die if he eats Mc Donald's. I wish I could say I cant believe that he turned everything, that he KNEW he was doing all along, on me. I guess I should have expected that. So the evaluator went on to say what my son had said- Q: if you could change one thing about dad what would it be? A: Nothing. Q: And mom? A: She screams and it hurts my feelings.
I truly believe it damaged my son to actually have the visitation with his father the night before and morning of court. They took him to buy toys and a new court outfit the night before. And I'm sure prompted him to say these things. I just found it strange EVERYTHING the NH said in the evaluation was also said by my son... and the evaluator didn't realize it. And she read my record in court and not his.

When she got done saying "I think this should go to a full evaluation"- I swear she said it 10 times and intermittently said his visitation should be extended from Friday night until sunday evening to Fri- Mon morning and from Tuesday afternoon until wed. morning to Tues. afternoon until  wed eve. and instead of every other weekend  to 1,3 & 5th weekends. And that my son should be able to contact the noncustodial parent (him) by phone whenever he wants.  When she was through talking in that oh-so-sweet voice and batting her eyelashes at the judge and at my NH (just so confident that the judge would rule in her favor), the judge asked if the attorneys had any questions. His said no and mine of course said yes. So we went into a short recess because I was hysterically crying thinking I was going to be stuck to go through this yearlong evaluation.

When we came back my lawyer posed about 10 "hypothetical" questions, that ended in ... "would that have influenced your decision today?"  (which weren't hypothetical at all just reminders to the judge of the things he has done to me and to show that this woman was for him before we even met her.) ( such as the violence and the late drug test, and the not complying with court orders )
 He then asked her how many domestic violence cases did he have against him? she answered with 1. The judge had already known he had at least 4... So...

When all the ?'s from the lawyers were asked and answered (by the way, every answer she had for my lawyer was thats why I think this should go to a full evaluation)- the judge had ?'s of his own. The 1st ? was she wants to go to school- don't you feel that a full evaluation would impede her progress? There were others but I cant remember them. Then MY OWN GRANDMOTHER came in to testify on his behalf. yea I know wow right?

Well all this and any JUDGE would have ruled for him, Right? NOT THIS ONE!!!! He said that all of this DID NOT warrant a full evaluation, however there is a few things he had ?'s about... He wants an IEP done on my son to see if he does have special needs, and a full physical. There are a few other things also. And he appointed minors council. which I have no problem with. We go back mid-august for him to rule. Before we left he said in his court room he believes people who have been through everything I have been through ( i am a recovering addict- 18 mos clean!) and keep striving to do better for themselves and their children deserve to be rewarded. and don't deserve to have their progress hindered. Eventhough I dont get to move back home right now, atleast its not NEVER.

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Re: The Custody Evaluation w/ N...
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2007, 03:57:08 PM »
Yay! Yay, Kaylebsmama! 

I read that entire post sitting on the edge of my seat! 

I'm so glad that judge didn't bury you!  What a relief! 

Uh oh. <looking around furtively>

Does this mean I have to rethink my stance on redemption?

Darnit, lol; ) 

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2007, 04:07:00 PM »
I have a hypothetical for the evaluator;

Would your recommendations have been a little different had he been commiting that corporal injury, assault, battery, domestic violence, etc on you?

I'd report her to whomever her superior is and, one would hope, get her fired.

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2007, 05:56:20 PM »
(((((((((((((((((((((Kayleb and his Brave, Honest Mom!!))))))))))))))))))))))

 :D :D :D :D
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Re: The Custody Evaluation w/ N...
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2007, 08:09:10 PM »
Kayleb's Mom, you ended up stuck with a sociopath for an evaluator, and thank God your lawyer didn't let her get away with her misrepresentations, and thank God the judge saw through them.

I've just bought Martha Stout's book "The Sociopath Next Door", and in it she talks about what reasonably bright, but not brilliant, sociopaths do.

She says:

[Imagine yourself as this type of sociopath. Here is what you'd be like:] "... As this sort of person, you ensconce yourself in a niche, or maybe a series of niches, in which you can have some amount of control over small numbers of people. These situations satisfy a little of your desire for power, although you are chronically aggravated at not having more. ... Sometimes you fall into sulky, rageful moods caused by a frustration that no one but you understands.

"But you do enjoy jobs that afford you a certain unsupervised control over a few individuals or small groups, preferably people and groups who are relatively helpless or in some way vulnerable. You are a teacher or a psychotherapist, a divorce lawyer or ... a consultant of some kind, or ... a human services director.

"Whatever your job, you manipulate and bully the people who are under your thumb, as often and as outrageously as you can without getting fired or held accountable. You do this for its own sake, even when it serves no purpose except to give you a thrill. Making people jump means you have power - or this is the way you see it - and bullying provides you with an adrenaline rush. It is fun.

"... Most invigorating of all is to bring down people who are smarter or more accomplished than you, or perhaps classier, more attractive or popular or morally admirable. This is not only good fun; it is existential vengeance. And without a conscience, it is amazingly easy to do. You quietly lie to the boss or to the boss's boss, cry some crocodile tears, or sabotage a coworker's project; or gaslight a patient (or a child), bait people with promises, or provide a little misinformation that will never be traced back to you."

You're a devoted mother, working hard on recovery, trying your best to protect yourself and your child from an abusive N. You make this lady look like the shabby little fraud she is, just by standing next to her and breathing in and out. And she knows it, and she was doing her level best to punish you for it, oh-so-sweet voice, batting eyelashes, and all.

Thank God the judge saw through this. Thank God your lawyer had the presence of mind to bring up all the relevant stuff that this creature was pushing off to one side.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2007, 08:22:33 PM by Stormchild »
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Re: The Custody Evaluation w/ N...
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2007, 08:38:00 PM »
Six little words come to mind.....


Little people in positions of authority.


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Re: The Custody Evaluation w/ N...
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2007, 09:07:03 PM »
Thanks CB:

My T refers to my N as a sociopath, not an N.  He hasn't explained that entirely but..... I get the feeling he feels sociopath is a more appropriate term AND he thinks others will identify with that term over N. 

I think sociopath fits just as well. 

That descriptions was on target. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2007, 11:31:50 PM »
Hi CB,

I know Dr Hare, who is like the big cheese on psychopaths, is very critical of the conflation of anti-social PD with psycho/sociopathy. Thinks it leaves out a lot of the latent psychos.

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Re: The Custody Evaluation w/ N...
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2007, 02:27:01 AM »
Hi mud

Yep; he refers to them as subcriminal psychopaths.

If you want a real shock, Dr. Stout notes that approximately 4% of the US population is estimated to be sociopathic. 1 in 25. 4 out of every 100. She points out that this is the same prevalence rate that's estimated for anorexia. She also points out that this is 100x higher than the rate of colon cancer in our population - and that the CDC says the colon cancer rate is 'alarmingly high'.

Well. If the colon cancer rate is alarmingly high, and the sociopathy rate is 100X higher, what should we call the sociopathy rate? Terrifyingly horrendous, maybe.

OTOH, it certainly explains the prevalence of poo-heads. We ain't imagining it, they're EVERYWHERE.
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Re: The Custody Evaluation w/ N...
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2007, 11:36:21 AM »
Mud,

What I have read is that the DSM now regards sociopaths as "antisocial personality disorder", and no longer uses the term sociopath.  Is Dr. Hare saying that he disagrees with that categorization?  I wondered at the reason for it myself.  Seems like the term APD is more inclusive.

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2007, 11:51:22 PM »
I want to thank everyone in here, not just everyone who has replied to my posts, but everyone who has posted themselves. I think this is a wonderful place for people like us, who are ready and willing to fight back, to draw strength from eachothers expeiences. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! I wish you all the best in your everyday battles, and I hope you win the war!!! And even when this is all over.. Ill still be here - Im hooked. Ive never felt so confident and optimistic in my life!! Thank You!!! :lol:  :D  :P  :wink: :mrgreen: :lol:  8)  :lol:  :lol:   :lol: