Keirsey Temperament Sorter II

[Anonymous]

Hi Portia and all,

If you want to a comparitive free on-line temperament analysis go to (and I don't know how to make the link like you other clever folk. Sorry)

www.keirsey.com
 
Maybe some clever dick could do it for me.

I was replying to you Portia on write's thread but decided to pop it out on it's own. I've done the tests a few ways and usually get ESTJ, (I've gone from ESFJ to ESTJ I think because of PTSD. Sigh   Who knows???? But strangely on the other one I came up different. It doesn't worry me, maybe I was just having one of those schizo days. I'd be interested if anyone does this test and get close to the same reading as on the other sight.

CG (That'll do. From now on I'll use it Rosencrantz. I appreciate your continued use of it and it now hold some meaning for me.)

And Portia, is your hole dug yet.    

[Anonymous]

Hey I just typed the www name and it came up auto as a link. How cool is that.

[Portia]

Hey CG you just made yourself into a clever dick   ! (See, we’re not that clever after all.) Reminds me of the middle-aged Spanish language teacher making a comment about a woman in her story: “I mean, she was being a dick-head”. Then she paused, looked directly at me (out of a class of 10!) and asked “a woman can be a dick-head can she?” Um yes, but why ask me???! And what a loaded question! The imagery it brings to mind…as for clever-dick...!

Thanks for the link! I didn’t hand over $15 for the full monty but I did get as far as NF, confirming my previous. Good questions and you can feel your reaction to them - ack, well I can, like feeling the word marshmallow is just like the sweet – yes? Who said relish was a great word somewhere recently? Write? R? CG? Anyway, yes, mmm!

Waiting for Nic to return so he can either give me a hand out of that hole or kick my rump further into it! It’s all experience …thanks again!   P

[rosencrantz]

LOL  She looked at you Portia because she knew you were intelligent and could give her an accurate (unloaded) answer!!!!!!!   Sorry, but I'm putting on the thumbscrews, now!      

Yes, relish was me.  "So close to 'flourish'..."

And, CG, how wonderful - you've chosen an identity.   That's a nice one.  They all have meaning.    (I hate these stupid icons - you want to give someone a real genuine smile and you've got this stupid grin plastered all over your face instead!!!)  If you go back right to the very last page of the board, you'll find 'Sharing laughter and irony" - you'll discover  what Rosencrantz means!!!  

Do you know I have spent my LIFE trying to understand myself (I should have been trying to 'understand' my mother!) so I've done just about every test there is.  But I couldn't work out the Keirsey.  One day somebody wanted to get to know me in a work environment and said 'aha - you're an idealist'.  I nearly thumped him.  Wodja mean, I'm an idealist.  What kind of insult is this!!!  He never did reveal what he meant but I suspect he had the Keirsey in mind.  Never use a 'type' to 'typecast'/define people.  Yuk!!  I may pigeonhole myself, but you may not define me withou my say-so.    

Anyway, that makes me an Idealist Champion although the Idealist Counsellor description resonates with me more.  This describes exactly what bothers me most in my life, what I have most difficulty with:

Counselors have strong empathic abilities and can become aware of another's emotions or intentions -- good or evil -- even before that person is conscious of them. This "mind-reading" can take the form of feeling the hidden distress or illnesses of others to an extent which is difficult for other types to comprehend. Even Counselors can seldom tell how they came to penetrate others' feelings so keenly.

Could be a gift, but just a recipe for confusion if you are brought up in an environment where people don't admit to (or even know) their own feelings and project it all outwards instead.

Talking of four quadrants, wot about the 'brain dominance' instrument, too.  Shows how you 'prefer' to think, learn and generally understand the world.  All these 'lenses' link in together one way or another methinks.

http://www.leonardconsulting.com/Whole%20Brain%20Learning2.htm

I'm definitely right brain dominant tho 'trained' to use the left-hand side -  that's why I need a support network of people who are strong in the left hand side for when the my left-hand side (logic) collapses under the strain!!!  

I used to say that my legal training was squeezing my brain out of the right hand side into the left hand side (hence the rigid precise 'truth-telling' when dealing with facts).  I didn't realise at the time how accurate that feeling was!  

Toodlepip
R

[Anonymous]

(and it now hold some meaning for me.)

HA HA HA  HA HA    HA    HA HA HA    HA HA    HA    HA HA HA HA    HA HA    HA    HA!

Aah, that felt good.

Forget worrying about NPD, f*#*ed mothers, unfaithful lovers and friends. I've just realised I've got bigger problems. I'm going back to school to brush up on grammar, punctuation and spelling.

CG

[rosencrantz]

Why do you think the rest of us registered?  We get to sneak back in to edit everything so nobody can TELL that we need to go back to school.    
R

[Anonymous]

Hi Portia and Rosencrantz.

I bet in some seedy mens magazines they have cartoon characters with names like 'Clever Dick' or 'Dick Head'. I wonder what they would look like.   Yep, the imagery is happening on that one. " 'Clever Dick,' master of disguise, superhero,  and all round nice guy. Always at the ready, headlong thrusting himself bravely into any tight spot in his path."      Okay, okay, keep it clean.

Anyway, back on topic. Thanks Rosencrantz for that fascinating link you shared about brain & learning styles. As a kid I used to go to sleep in some learning situations. I read a book once (I'd love a dollar for every time I start a sentence with that) about the Rudolph Steiner schools. Don't remember much about the book, but I do remember it mentioning how their system tries to incorporate varied teaching styles to meet different brain and  learning types. They claimed the currrent general public education system really only caters for 1 or 2 of the types (the organisers and theorists I guess) and also concluded that this is the major reason (even before broken families) why the drop-out rate is so high and getting higher.

Once upon a time, no matter what a kids brain/learning type was, or how effective the education was, parents could force their kids to stay in school and they'd muddle through, occasionally learning something valuable, even if was only social skills, and they were off the streets. Now with all this new freedom for teenagers to drop out, the schools have to change and cater and make it more meaningful for all types otherwise the problem is only going to increase.

On reading through this page, and from what I know about how I've changed over the years, I'm inclined to think I am naturally born Innovator (right cerebral, upper right) , and because of how I've navigated through life I must have developed and built up the Theorist part too (left cerebral, upper left). Buggered if I know, but that's what I'd peg in quick take. Is that the way it would be expressed??????

So Rosencrantz, have you worked out your husband? Is he left?

I love this self-exploratory stuff. I guess it's not healty to do it all the time. I suppose it's sort of like playing with yourself. HA    HA    HA    Gee, I'm being naughty. I think I'll go and give myself a good spanking. Bye

CG

[rosencrantz]

Oh yes, H is definitely left brained BUT he does have some right-brain stuff, too - INTJ.  Definitely in my reality check network.  

I'm sure you're correct (just trying not to use the word 'right' here!)  about your own development from right to left.  And that's how you developed your own inner reality check/support network, too.  You couldn't have got this far if you hadn't.  Hats off to you!!  (Had a sudden image there of a Monty Pythonesque head with brain exposed to reveal  the quadrants as the hat came off!!)  

TTFN
R

[Portia]

Oh YUK R! Good joke but the visual got me...think I just might be a bit of a Lefty myself, but only a tad. Hat/brain/surreal/dream/monkey head!/Magrite?/the man who mistook his wife for a hat/ice cream (what?)....anyone for free-association?

CG   emoticons aren't doing it for me right now - crying with laughter isn't featured! I guffawed loud enough for the neighbours to hear...I can see the 'white van' pulling up outside .. and I've splurted over the laptop screen, darn it! (I'm sending you my cleaning bill: yesterday it was coffee down my front...)
PS. Where the hell did ICE CREAM   come from??? I'm serious!

[Anonymous]

Hi Rosencrantz, He's INTJ huh, introvert intuitive thinking judging. That's RATIONALS & (Masterminds) in the Keirsey stuff I've got.
Do you say "Coochie coochie,   come here my little ballast. Weight me down baby, weight me down."

Gotta love your flippin' head image.  Thanks for the laugh

Hi Portia, love the free association, ice-cream was probably what you spurted over your computer. Or at least it looks like ice-cream .

(hug) to you both

CG