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Bella_French

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Re: Comparing Myself with Others
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2007, 05:57:41 AM »
Hi Ami!
I am so happy that today has been a good day for you. It is so good to hear it, sweet one:)

To answer your question, yes I did experience so many of those symptoms, for around a year of my life (when I was 28-29). The doctors called it an anxiety disorder; it was so scarey because I hadn't felt physical symptoms like those before, and I didn't have an explanation. I just wanted to feel like myself again, and instead I felt like I was losing my mind.  It was just so scarey, and I am so sorry to know you're going through it Ami, love.

Oddly, I think the most notable aspect of having an `anxiety' disorder was the lack of anxiety, or any real feelings that I could identify beyond being afraid and upset about what I was going through. I think I was basically numb emotionally (maybe you are right about it being a form of shock, in response to cracking through our defenses and denial?)

I guess its true that  strong emotions, when repressed , have a way of finding an outlet in the form of physical symptoms, such as an anxiety disorder, skin problems,  or more serious illness. Perhaps the key is to get back in touch with your feelings, Ami? I think this is something you have wisely identified already, and that you are instinctively moving in the right direction.
 
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Re: Comparing Myself with Others
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2007, 06:47:05 AM »
Dear Bella,
  I feel, intuitively, that I am going through what you did. My physical eyes are healing ,as well as I am "seeing" old patterns and distortions. I am feeling more and more "real".This tells me that it is an emotional process.
   I think that I am learning life truths that a person would learn in adolesence. One that was really giving me 'dizziness" was that I am alone and separate from my parents. .I did not learn the lesson that I am alone as a separate person.. With My M, she had a big issue woth dependence. She used to ridicule me for being 'too dependent",but I see ,now, that she was sabataging any independence.
   The worst thing with N's is that they distort your reality so much . They are sabataging and destroying you in a subtle way. HOWEVER, they are blaming you for the thing.This one  quality of NPD was what destroyed me( almost)
  I guess that they call it gaslighting. I learned not to trust my gut ,ears or eyes-- only she could tell me  what I was seeing and hearing. It was so, so insidious. When ,I was away physically, she was in my head so much that she might as well  have been there,physically.
   We ,as children, of N's get a huge, huge brainwashing process. After being  brainwashed, we carry all the lies and distortions inside us
   Bill wrote that beautiful thread to me. The  reason that I got so hard on myself was that I took all the N ideas and made them my own. I had her in my head-- directing 'traffic".
  The anxiety disorder that I am having( and I don't feel actual anxiety either) is what is happeneing as I face the truth about her, what I took inside me and life in general. I am getting my own eyes and ears back.
  Bella, you will never know what your posts mean to me. It is a validation and affirmation of what I am going through. Thanks so, so much.  You have given me a great deal of comfort                       Love  Ami         
 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

Bella_French

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Re: Comparing Myself with Others
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2007, 05:42:21 PM »
Thanks so much for saying that Ami; you are such a gem:) I was thinking about this a lot last night... I was wondering what repressed emotions manifest themselves as the symptoms you described, and the symptoms I experienced? I wonder if its highly individual, or if there can be commonalities?

In my case, I don't think it was anger or rage, as repressed rage tends to express itself differently with me, such as bad skin problems, drinking, or eating too much. It must have been something else, but you know Ami, I am having trouble, even now, identifying what it was? I sense it was connected to a mix of painful feelings I couldn't change and didn't want to face, like loneliness, my poor sense of worth, feeling dependent, not liking who I am, and maybe  intense dread of being alone too ? Whatever those feelings were., I buried them because even now I can't truly identify them as well as I probably should. But they still affected me, i feel, through my anxiety disorder.

At the time, what was going on for me was I was in pretty hopeless long term relationship with a `party-boy (read: irresponsible drug addict), and it was also the year when I started to speak about my relationship on forums and receive feedback from others for the first time. I didn't like what i was hearing one bit, but I nonetheless embraced the wisdom of the advice i was receiving.

So when my anxiety disorder started, I guess I was feeling a little `cornered' by my knowledge; like, I knew with certainty that my relationship was going to either end , ruin my life, or drag me down very low, and I think I probably buried my enormous fears surrounding that. I buried them through excercise mostly (which was both numbing, and a form of warding off my fears of being undesirable and alone). And for a while I started to drink more regularly, and took antidepressants too...the ultimate emotional suppressant.

The relationship did end, shortly after I started to assert some basic boundaries surrounding our finances and him dealing drugs to people from our home late at night (LOL. I didn't even know what a boundary was before i was 28). He agreed with these boundaries, and then left me for another woman who was also addicted to drugs.

 I then I discovered NPD, which was a new form of hell.

But its been 4 years now since I've been away from toxic boyfriends, and the truth is Ami, I still suppress emotions more readily than is probably good for me. Sometimes I think its not altogether negative. I mean we all have to suppress emotions somewhat to get by in society and survive. We can't always operate as emotional creatures. But I think we have to let stuff out too, examine it, work out if its controlling our thinking,  or harming us physically. But most of us need a safe place to this. Emotions are the key to our vulnerability and some people will use them to harm us. Thats what I learned about narcissists, and one of the reasons I love my fiance so much. He gives me that safe place, and I am starting to feel again. Its because I am safe now, when before I wasn't safe, and i wasn't valued.

Anyway Its so nice to have someone to discuss this with, my friend. Thankyou for being there for me too. It helps to talk about these things.

I hope that you have a great day:)

X love bella

 



 


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Re: Comparing Myself with Others
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2007, 04:25:50 PM »
Dear Bella,
  I think that the things that are making us 'dizzy" are old ideas and beliefs that we accepted about ourselves b/c we had  to survive. We threw away our own core and our own true perceptions and accepted 'lies' and distortions. We, probably, did this b/c we would have gone 'insane" to realize that we were with monsters. So, we accepted their reality so that we did not have to face the truth when we were helpless and alone.It was easier to accept that they were right and we were worthless., than to face the truth about them This is my 'theory"
   I think that I accepted many basic beliefs about myself and life that became a big brick wall . This big brick wall was made up of lies. They were beliefs like "You have to be perfect or you are worthless. . You are EITHER good OR bad. I think that a really big concept that we do not want to accept is that we were betrayed by the people who were supposed to love us Also, that we are alone and all the pain of trying to please them was totally futile. These are the types of issues that were making me dizzy, I think.
Also,    I accepted that I could not trust my own eyes and ears,.Now, I am seeing what is. I see that I cannot stand my H. I see the pain in people's eyes. I see beauty and innocence,also. I am seeing-- myself and others. I am becoming real.The dizziness was the 'birth" in to becoming real(IMO)
   Bella, you really,really helped me through this. I was telling my father about you . Thanks so, so much   Love  Ami
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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Comparing Myself with Others
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2007, 05:08:52 PM »
Bella, your voice is so gracious, and graceful.

Ami, I feel very happy when I think of your father looking at you with kind eyes, and listening.

 :D

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