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Bella_French

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Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« on: August 06, 2007, 04:46:16 AM »
I wasn't going to write about this situation I am experiencing, because i felt that it would be giving some power to a person I have chosen to ignore. But after being harrassed via email and the phone for about 5 days now in a row, I just wanted to touch base with you guys and ask you for some opinions.

Last year I got ripped off on ebay by a guy who sold me a computer(it was an expensive server, for hosting my web sites). It was supposedly in good working condition and came with a  12 month warranty. Anyway, to cut this long story short, it didn't work, the warranty was never honored, and  my emails were mostly ignored (he strung me along for a bit, but then just stopped answering my emails altogether)

Eventually I went through a `dispute' process through ebay, and ebay gave me a partial refund, which I was happy about. Then several months later I reported the seller to the office of Australian consumer affairs. Meanwhile, i repaired the computer myself, and eventually resold it.

Reporting him to consumer affairs turned out to be a huge drain and a waste of energy. The seller used the opportunity to make up lies about the whole thing, attack my credibility, and write rude, expletetive emails to me during their investigation intended to wind me up, which he denied writing to the consumer affairs case manager.

 In short, he seemed to get off on bullying me and the process of trying to convince someone in authority that I was the `crazy bad' person and he was the victim. A few screws loose of a marble. The case manager didn't seem to have the personality or professional skills to deal with someone like this, so the investigation dragged out was totally ineffectual.

Meanwhile I felt badly affected by the situation emotionally, and I was so angry and in knots a lot of the time. So after one particular nasty email from him, full of lots of `F' words,   I decided that things had become ridiculous and I ceased all contact with the seller and closed my case with consumer affairs. He kept writing for a while, but I ignored the emails without even opening them. Eventually they stopped altogether.

Anyway, in recent months the seller has ripped off many people on ebay (you can see it written on his feedback) and he has been suspended from selling there.

Well for some reason the guy still can't let it go. Last week he got my phone details from ebay, and has been ringing our phones 4-5 times a day and sending threatening emails to us.

The gist of his messages is that he is demanding that I give him $400, because thats what ebay will make him pay to become a seller on ebay again after he was suspended. In some of his messages, he has threatened to take us to court to get the money. (lol)

My partner and I think of this as a bit of a joke, really. And after reading CB's `cyberbullying' thread from the other day, I feel that the best approach with this guy would be to keep ignoring him. Ok, but having said that, he tried calling another 5 times in a row this afternoon, and I didn't like the way it made me feel. I feel apprehensive.

What is your take on this? Do you think ignoring this toxic guy is the best approach?










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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2007, 05:51:26 AM »
Bella,

I would start to keep a record of how often he's contacting you, and what the emails say, etc. Would your partner do this for you, so that you don't have to even deal with them?

You might find that later on (hopefully not, but you never know) you may need to PROVE how much of a pain he's been, and if you just say 'Oooh, he contacted me lots of times' it makes your case weaker. Have you contacted eBay again, to see what they can do about him now? If he's harassing you, they might be able to ban him permanently, as they don't need 'sellers' like him.


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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2007, 07:15:41 AM »
"Uneasy" jumped out at me, Bella...
do you have any reason to fear this man physically?

Is a call to the police in order? Aren't there restraining orders for that type of behavior?

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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2007, 09:06:30 AM »
Bella - can you have his calls blocked?  I definitely think ignoring the calls and keeping records are the way to go.  He will give up eventually but also engaging him will energize him.  What a nightmare!!! - yours - GS

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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2007, 09:10:01 AM »
Dear Bella,

This sort of situation has always been a "stopper" for me... there's simply no telling how far a bully with such a strong sense of entitlement will carry her/his attacks. Apparently this one has zeroed in on you because of your report to consumer affairs. My guess is that because you closed that case (and I don't blame you one bit for that!!) he thinks that his intimidation worked (well, it sorta did) and so this time he's pushing it to the maximum.

To me, what Janet advised is very wise. Possibly.... not only write up your log of his obnoxious contacts, but also that record to him via the web? Would it be wise to let him know, without doubt, that you are not going to allow him to ride roughshod over you this time?

Also, can you report his calls to the phone company as harassment?

You know that he doesn't have a leg to stand on... I think he's just badgering you because it worked before. This sort of creature knows no bounds until she/he runs smack into the brick wall of the truth which won't budge an inch.  (((((((((Bella))))))))) I'm sorry you're having to deal with such an idiot as this.

Love,
Hope

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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2007, 09:32:12 AM »
Dear Bella,
  I would think of your physical safety ,first. I would not "engage" him in any way b/c that could fuel him.
 This is probably a pattern and he will  move on,if you ignore him.
   I think that ignoring is the best idea. I am sorry that you are going through this, Bella.
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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2007, 10:08:50 AM »
Hi Bella,

I am sorry you are going through this.

If it were me, I would go to the police (or call) and ask them best how to handle it.

In this day and age, I would assume that he is capable of anything (chances are that he is a simply a shyster, trying to squeeze some money out of you since his e-bay scamming days are over, but you never know for sure).

I would not be surprised to find out that he is doing this to others that reported him to e-bay as well.  You might want to see if anyone else has complained to e-bay about this guy harassing them.

Take care,
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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2007, 10:10:22 AM »
Dear Bella:

Statistics show that you have to ignore a bully for 6 weeks before they lose interest in you and find someone else.

I guess 'stalker' is what I'm specifically talking about here but...... I think it should work for you.

By 'ignore for 6 weeks' I mean NOT RESPOND IN ANY WAY to their contact with you.

Quiet.

Shhhhhh.

Not a word about e mails.... in fact.  Block them.  He should be able to see that he's been blocked and that you aren't opening them.

Not a word about his calls.  Block his numbers.  Hang up without a word on when he uses another one and block that one too.

Good luck with this struggle, I hope it ends soon.  

Very scary to have some nut bothering you like this I know... ((Bella))
« Last Edit: August 06, 2007, 10:13:50 AM by lighter »

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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2007, 10:14:41 AM »
Dear Lighter,

That is great news about the 6-week ignore period! Never heard that before... wow.
Thanks!

Getting out the calendar here to start X-ing off the days!  :shock:

Bella... please feel free to give my previous response the heave-ho  :)

Love,
Hope

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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2007, 07:20:21 PM »
That was all such great advice and now my head is kind of spinning again, as I have been thinking about this from many angles since last November (until I made the decision to cease all contact with the guy)

I think I'm going to just keep  ignoring him for 6-8 weeks because it will take the least emotional energy (I agree that 6 weeks seems like a good amount of time) . I will keep a record of his communication, and if it doesn't stop within 6-8  weeks, I will call the police, report him to ebay, and report him to his ISP for harassment. If it comes to going to court, I have the utmost confidence that he will be totally humiliated. I guess I will have to toughen up and lighten up if it comes to that, because when he loses in court, he will STILL blame me for all his woes.
Theres a lot to consider here. Ami, he lives in another part of Australia, and I do not feel that we are in any physical danger.

Authentic, I really liked your advice too; I just can't think of anything I could do to really make him see that his behaviour is unacceptable. I mean he seems to twist everything bad that happens to him (because of his own actions) around to be someone else's fault, and then he tries to harm that person. You're right, he nuts. I don't want anything to do with him.

Thankyou so much everyone. I'll see how things go with `no contact' and I'll let you know if it works. Thanks for being here for me

X Bella



















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Re: Will this Bully go away or should I respond?
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2007, 07:33:56 PM »

Dear Bella,

I really like this part:
 
I have the utmost confidence

 :D

And this is absolutely true:

I just can't think of anything I could do to really make him see that his behaviour is unacceptable. I mean he seems to twist everything bad that happens to him (because of his own actions) around to be someone else's fault, and then he tries to harm that person.

That's the mo, alright... especially with bullies of the N-variety... no limits to their entitlement and when you won't bow and kiss their feet, they'll steam-roll
right over top of you to exercise their almighty rights. If this guy chooses to keep yammering on via email or whatever, he'll be sure to seal his own fate.
My own view of all this has firmed up alot recently... today, in fact... in dealing with such persistent, manipulative twisters... best to just ignore.

Good thinking, Bella!

Love,
Hope