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« Reply #2625 on: August 22, 2011, 09:49:05 AM »
Why didn't we become Ns, why did they become Ns?

Both suffer similar privations very early on. I don't know if this is anywhere near but it seems to me that one major difference is what we - and they - did with shame. We took it right in and developed toxic shame; we were bad. They rejected all shaming and project it outwards; it's the external world that's wrong, not me. They remain the centre of the universe, with needs that can never be filled; we are too aware of others for our own health and need to carve our own space. I guess we became adept at meeting others' needs while they were trapped never getting over wanting everything to fill them. We have our own N traits and anyone can monitor their own. They can't do that because they don't have anything else to compare with. I have no idea why I'm writing this. I guess maybe I thought someone wanted to know what I think. Would that be N? Or just reading the signs and following the roadmap.

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« Reply #2626 on: August 22, 2011, 11:03:25 AM »
Why didn't we become Ns, why did they become Ns?

Both suffer similar privations very early on. I don't know if this is anywhere near but it seems to me that one major difference is what we - and they - did with shame. We took it right in and developed toxic shame; we were bad. They rejected all shaming and project it outwards; it's the external world that's wrong, not me. They remain the centre of the universe, with needs that can never be filled; we are too aware of others for our own health and need to carve our own space. I guess we became adept at meeting others' needs while they were trapped never getting over wanting everything to fill them. We have our own N traits and anyone can monitor their own. They can't do that because they don't have anything else to compare with. I have no idea why I'm writing this. I guess maybe I thought someone wanted to know what I think. Would that be N? Or just reading the signs and following the roadmap.

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Thanks, Freshwater.

Having studied psychology, I do have a few theories about why they became NPD's and we didn't.

I tend to view human behaviors on a spectrum.  Each of us do have a little bit of Narcissism in us.  It's called HEALTHY Narcissism as it's part of our survival mechanism.  To get a bit Freudian....there's the Id, Ego, and Super-Ego:  http://psychology.about.com/od/theoriesofpersonality/a/personalityelem.htm; with us, the Super-Ego acts as sort of a gate-keeper...keeping things in check so that our Id's and Ego's don't run buck-wild.

However, with the NPD's, there is no "gate-keeper" in control to keep their behaviors in check.  I believe that they are on the Sociopathic/Psychopathic Spectrum.  Their Id's are out of control, their Ego's are VERY AWARE of the reality of what they are doing BUT THEY JUST DON'T CARE!  I think the only thing that stops them from committing murder, like Ted Bundy, is that they are VERY AWARE of the legal consequences of criminal activity.  Unfortunately, there are those on the far end of that spectrum that managed to initially get away with murder but, sooner or later, they will do something incredibly stupid and the law WILL catch up with them!  That is small solace to the survivors of their victims.

Why do some people become NPD's or Psychopaths/Sociopaths could involve either physical brain damage somewhere along the way and/or brain chemical imbalances.  The one frontier, here at home, that is still VERY UNKNOWN, is the functions and physiology of the human brain.

I think I'll step down from the soap-box for now.

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« Reply #2627 on: August 22, 2011, 01:34:42 PM »
Freshwater - my experience tells me that you are absolutely right. What Ns & non-Ns do with shame are polar opposites.

Like Bones, I think there is some major brain difference involved, too. These people are just DIFFERENT in a fundamental way.

I guess I'm still trying to find that range of "healthy N" for myself, and am not terribly confident I know where it is, so when I read that paragraph I reacted to what I read as being the "explanation" for how someone becomes N. Perhaps there is no definable range; perhaps it's a situational call... moment by moment.
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« Reply #2628 on: August 22, 2011, 01:41:46 PM »
Freshwater - my experience tells me that you are absolutely right. What Ns & non-Ns do with shame are polar opposites.

Like Bones, I think there is some major brain difference involved, too. These people are just DIFFERENT in a fundamental way.

I guess I'm still trying to find that range of "healthy N" for myself, and am not terribly confident I know where it is, so when I read that paragraph I reacted to what I read as being the "explanation" for how someone becomes N. Perhaps there is no definable range; perhaps it's a situational call... moment by moment.

Unfortunately, we seem to be able to recognize when someone is an N by the pain and chaos they cause.

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« Reply #2629 on: August 23, 2011, 06:10:39 AM »
Just checking in while dealing with a FRUSTRATING MESS!  I'll discuss it later when I've figured out what I have to do to address it.
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« Reply #2630 on: August 23, 2011, 08:28:32 PM »
And the earthquake, on top of it all, didn't help matters any!
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« Reply #2631 on: August 24, 2011, 08:47:03 AM »
One thing I came to realize....there's NOTHING like an earthquake to bring the N's out of the woodwork like cockroaches!!!!

As a result of the earthquake in the D.C. Metro area yesterday, there was quite a bit of damage in my condominium community, including several busted water heaters that sent mini-Niagara Falls into the units below!!   :P  Property Management contacted the plumber to come and do what he could as quickly as he could.  In the meantime, the affected buildings had to have their water shut off until the affected units could be addressed.  My building was one of those affected because a unit, two floors above me on the opposite side, has a ruptured water heater and the result damaged the two units directly below it.  To complicate matters, the owner was NOT home, which necessitated calling in the locksmith to do a forced entry.  Therefore, the water to the entire building had to be shut off until Property Management could gain access to the unit, via the locksmith, and get the plumber inside to deal with the water heater.

Given that my building was one of many, and there was only one locksmith and one plumber going from building to building...I had to wait my turn, along with my neighbors.  I'm also the building captain so I was trying to deal with the situation the best I could.  One neighbor kept banging on my door, DEMANDING to know EXACTLY WHEN the water was going to be turned back on.  I lost count as to how many times I kept giving him the same facts as I described above.  His whole attitude boiled down to:  "WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT?!?!?!?  I'M ENTITLED TO MY WATER NOW!" 

Sheesh!!!!!!!   :P

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« Reply #2632 on: August 24, 2011, 09:29:38 AM »
Just checking in while dealing with a FRUSTRATING MESS!  I'll discuss it later when I've figured out what I have to do to address it.

This mess involves a HUGE tv that measures 31 inches by 25 inches by 30 inches shoved into a corner space that can barely fit.  It also blocks my doors to my porch and leaves NO room to maneuver!  Did I ask for a HUGE television?  HELL NO!!!  Male Idiot Doofus got this WITHOUT discussing it with me because it was what HE wanted and he ASSUMED I would like it!!!!  Now he can't understand why I'm telling him to GET IT OUT OF HERE!!!!  It weighs a TON, I can't move it, it's ANALOG and I have NO WAY to hook up a converter box, antenna, or my DVD player to it!!

What infuriates me is that when he first started making hints about this, I kept asking detailed questions that HE WOULD NOT ANSWER!  At first, he thought he was being funny.  He quickly found out that this is NOT a joke to me!

F***ing Jackass!!!!!   :evil:

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« Reply #2633 on: August 24, 2011, 10:23:39 AM »
Hi Bones,

If it's a flat screen tell doofus to hire a professional to mount it on your wall.  It saves space, looks great, they can hook up your dvd, ect and even hide the wires..but it cost $$$$.

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« Reply #2634 on: August 24, 2011, 10:29:17 AM »
Hi Bones,

If it's a flat screen tell doofus to hire a professional to mount it on your wall.  It saves space, looks great, they can hook up your dvd, ect and even hide the wires..but it cost $$$$.

Deb



Unfortunately, it is NOT a flat screen but one of those HUGE BULKY BOXES, which WEIGHS A TON, that cannot be mounted on a wall!  I HATE it when people make decisions FOR me WITHOUT TALKING TO ME!!!!   :evil:
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« Reply #2635 on: August 24, 2011, 10:39:33 AM »
Ugh,!  Oh I hear ya.  I think it's a man thing for one found it's way to my house (around football season one year).  It took up so much space and blocked my windows on one side of the living room.


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« Reply #2636 on: August 24, 2011, 10:42:35 AM »
Ugh,!  Oh I hear ya.  I think it's a man thing for one found it's way to my house (around football season one year).  It took up so much space and blocked my windows on one side of the living room.



Yep!  It's definitely a man-toy!  One that I don't want, don't need, and can't use!  I'm trying to DE-clutter after several years of depression and stuff piling up and now THIS!  UGH!!!!

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« Reply #2637 on: August 24, 2011, 03:56:37 PM »
If it's YOUR space, TELL him you want it gone by ________ or you'll demonstrate your prowess with a hammer!   :twisted:
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« Reply #2638 on: August 24, 2011, 04:27:09 PM »
If it's YOUR space, TELL him you want it gone by ________ or you'll demonstrate your prowess with a hammer!   :twisted:

It is MY space, MY mortgage and I'm prepared to lower the hammer on HIM!   :twisted:
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« Reply #2639 on: August 24, 2011, 04:37:49 PM »
Doesn't help to smash the TV cuz guess who would be stuck cleaning up the mess?  I think it would be more effective on HIM instead of inanimate object!   :twisted:
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