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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2760 on: September 29, 2011, 08:09:47 PM »
Hops & Bones -

I find Ns very seldom carry through their threats. God knows, it would reflect badly on them.
Saying NO loudly and enough times to get them to back off... it's priceless.

I'm so sorry if anyone has experienced different. In that case, I feel one is justified in defending oneself - and I'm not too particular about what that requires. Pirate Code: no mercy, no quarter.

survival of the fittest and all that.

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« Reply #2761 on: September 29, 2011, 08:52:23 PM »
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I find Ns very seldom carry through their threats. God knows, it would reflect badly on them.
and then they meet someone like me who will carry through, because once I make a threat, I'm beyond caring. I don't make threats unless I mean them. Oh I scared myself there...

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« Reply #2762 on: September 30, 2011, 08:18:23 AM »
I was having a pretty angry day, yesterday. Some faceless, institutional bureaucrat pushed my old button... the one that says I'm lying, making things up and that I can't be believed. Why is it, that some people insist on thinking the worst of one - that others are trying to pull a fast one - despite plain, simple documentation to the contrary? It's as if they don't understand plain english... shouldn't have graduated college with that level of literacy and they're sure you're hiding something or have an ulterior motive or are up to no-good.

Jeez, if anything I'm guilty of TMI... and going above & beyond to "prove" myself. I am what I show people of myself - the good, the bad, the weak, the strong... the legacy of the mess I used to be... the vulnerabilities that will always show up right on cue, when someone stands on one of those buttons. I've worked too hard to be my SELF, to be interested in putting on a show to impress or mislead or manipulate someone. Hubs, bless his heart, went to discuss and explain in my place. I was ready to rip someone apart... because incompetence on their part shouldn't be MY problem. He has no button in that place, where I do. Wouldn't that be nice?
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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2763 on: September 30, 2011, 09:34:35 AM »
I was having a pretty angry day, yesterday. Some faceless, institutional bureaucrat pushed my old button... the one that says I'm lying, making things up and that I can't be believed. Why is it, that some people insist on thinking the worst of one - that others are trying to pull a fast one - despite plain, simple documentation to the contrary? It's as if they don't understand plain english... shouldn't have graduated college with that level of literacy and they're sure you're hiding something or have an ulterior motive or are up to no-good.

Jeez, if anything I'm guilty of TMI... and going above & beyond to "prove" myself. I am what I show people of myself - the good, the bad, the weak, the strong... the legacy of the mess I used to be... the vulnerabilities that will always show up right on cue, when someone stands on one of those buttons. I've worked too hard to be my SELF, to be interested in putting on a show to impress or mislead or manipulate someone. Hubs, bless his heart, went to discuss and explain in my place. I was ready to rip someone apart... because incompetence on their part shouldn't be MY problem. He has no button in that place, where I do. Wouldn't that be nice?

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« Reply #2764 on: September 30, 2011, 09:55:33 AM »
Ha PR, sympathy there.

Another point: who has the time to muck about like that? I mean, what's the point, unless you're paid for being an asshole? (Gee there are so many jobs like that though.) But of course, we're all assholes. I read the book! :D

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whoah. I came back to read you better, PR, and I read:

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I've worked too hard to be my SELF, to be interested in putting on a show to impress or mislead or manipulate someone.
So if you hadn't worked too hard to be your SELF..........................................
you would be interested in that stuff? You used to be interested in that stuff? You used to do that stuff?

Pray, why?

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« Reply #2765 on: September 30, 2011, 03:35:22 PM »
I spent all my days trying to get people to "take me seriously"... to be authoritative... to "know" as much as possible... to again, impress the folks who make out paychecks. To outsmart the "game players", too.

MEH... that was a total waste of time. I gave it up.
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« Reply #2766 on: September 30, 2011, 03:45:38 PM »
And it's even MORE frustrating when people don't hear you, no matter how many times you explain the obvious!!!!   :P
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« Reply #2767 on: September 30, 2011, 05:25:10 PM »
I spent all my days trying to get people to "take me seriously"... to be authoritative... to "know" as much as possible... to again, impress the folks who make out paychecks. To outsmart the "game players", too.

MEH... that was a total waste of time. I gave it up.

Okay I can see where the misleading could come in. Ha, mis-leading. I got insane/bored before I got that far. Also I was smarter than the game-players. You have to be a certain sort of stupid to be a game-player. It's required.

Bones, I can't be arsed. Okay I can and do. I did a bit today IRL. Then I thought, this person is mad. Why am I bothering? I shall stop. And so I did.

I'm used to people not hearing me. But to be honest, I don't have much to say!

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« Reply #2768 on: September 30, 2011, 05:50:55 PM »
What frustrates me about not being heard is when it results in wasting my time....especially when it is in a dentist's office, which is my least favorite please to be hanging out in the first place.  About a week ago, I scheduled a follow-up appointment as I had surgery done for an implant.  I explained to the staff, via e-mail, that the best time for the appointment was at 12:00 noon because I have to depend on someone else for transportation and that person is taking time off from their job to accommodate the appointment.  I followed up that e-mail with a phone call to BE SURE they received the e-mail and the 12:00 noon appointment was confirmed.

About half an hour after that phone call, the dentist office calls me back to tell me that while they were confirming the 12:00 noon appointment with me, another staff person scheduled another patient for the same appointment!  (The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing!)  I was then asked, if I could change my appointment for earlier or later in the same day.  I explained AGAIN about my transportation situation and WHY it has to be at 12:00 noon because it impacts the person who is providing my transportation, meaning the friend's J-O-B.  The response I got was:  "Okay, they'll work me in somehow."

Day before yesterday, I get a "reminder" phone call informing me that they re-scheduled my appointment for 1:00 PM in the afternoon!   :x  I explained, AGAIN, WHY that presents a problem for the person providing my transportation because it impacts their JOB!  I emphasized, AGAIN, that my appointment has to be at 12:00 noon so it would have minimal impact on my transportation's employment since he has to leave work, come get me, then drive to the dentist's office; plus pick me up after the appointment, take me home, then go back to work!  (Am I being CRYSTAL CLEAR YET?!?!?)

Today, I arrive between 11:30 to 11:45 AM expecting a 12:00 noon appointment as I had been explaining for about one week...only to be informed that they KEPT THE APPOINTMENT IN THEIR SCHEDULE AT 1:00 PM!  (They had completely IGNORED everything I had been telling them!)  I explained AGAIN about my transportation situation!   :x  The response I got was that they would work me in somehow.

From about 11:30 AM until 1:37 PM, I sat and waited....first in the waiting room, then in the dentist's chair.  At 1:37 PM, my ride called me to ask if I was ready to go home.  By this point, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAD BEEN DONE!!!!  The dentist's schedule had been booked so full that he couldn't even get to me to glance at the surgical site!  My ride informed me that he had to get back to work so I told him to come on back and get me.  That's when I got out of the dentist's chair, took that "bib" off, walked over to the cubicle where the dentist was working on another patient and told him:  "I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I have to leave!  My ride has to go back to work and he is the only way I can get home!  I'm going back to the waiting room to wait for him!"  I think the dentist was embarrassed about what had happened which resulted in a patient walking out on an appointment.  (I had no choice as there was NO way I was going to be able to walk home and I felt that it wasn't fair for the front office staff to jeopardize my ride's job because THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN TO ME!)

As I headed for the door, the front office staff asked me to schedule another appointment.  I told them I would get back to them as soon as I knew my ride's next availability, NO THANKS TO THEM!   :P  WASTED OVER TWO F-ING HOURS OF MY TIME, AND MY RIDE'S TIME AWAY FROM THEIR WORK, FOR NOTHING BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT HEAR ME AFTER EXPLAINING THE OBVIOUS AT LEAST SIX DIFFERENT F-ING TIMES!!!!    F-ING IDIOTS!!!!!!

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2769 on: October 01, 2011, 08:53:06 AM »
Idiots, indeed, Bones!  Nothing makes me crazier, than people who've screwed up expecting me to absorb their mistake, bend over backwards to accommodate THEM, and help them pretend the mistake didn't happen in the first place. It's customer service 101, in my experience... if you screw up, you go out of your way to "make it right" with the person affected by your mistake and you do that with apologies and a smile. Mistakes happen all the time... accidents often don't have a neon arrow pointing blame at anyone (and sometimes no precise explanation either)... so what's the deal with trying to sweep it under the rug, pretend it didn't happen, and oh - by the way - it's my job to "fix it"??????

OK - rant over. I think people do this kind o' crap because they attach way too much importance to the mistake, make it a "shame" event emotionally, and fear that one simple mistake will cost them their self-respect (because they're supposed to be "perfect"), if not their job. Fear and shame make for a really lousy cocktail... and almost always results in someone avoiding really "fixing" the problem and moving on to the next one. I guess this is a consequence of not teaching kids they'll survive failure... they can learn from mistakes and stop making this particular one... and that their self-esteem and self-image is THE most important thing.

[oh - wait - isn't that one way Ns develop?? I sure hope they stopped using this philosophy in public schools. Imagine what a shocker it is to those kids - when they find out "special" doesn't cut it in the real world... and that yes, it's really easy to fail.]
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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2770 on: October 01, 2011, 11:10:33 AM »
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I'm not at all sure that Bones's dentist staff are doing an N, shame shifting job on Bones.

It's a possibility that they just don't care about customer satisfaction. They may hate their jobs. Or they may just be incompetent in booking appointments. It sounds like it.

I used to get annoyed by this sort of crap. But it's not worth the heart attack.

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« Reply #2771 on: October 01, 2011, 01:19:31 PM »
The front office staff at the dentist's office wasn't trying to shift the blame to me....they were just acting plain STUPID by IGNORING ALL THE INFORMATION being given to them!  It not only screwed up my schedule, it also impacted my transportation AND it also impacted the dentist!
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« Reply #2772 on: October 02, 2011, 07:13:57 AM »
I sent the dentist's office and e-mail, with a "cc:" to the friend providing transportation, outlining my dissatisfaction with what occurred this past Friday.  I'm still awaiting a response.
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« Reply #2773 on: October 03, 2011, 07:31:36 AM »
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« Reply #2774 on: October 04, 2011, 10:33:24 AM »
Still heard nothing from the dentist's office yet.
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