Author Topic: my life is in ruins, but at least I'm here  (Read 2816 times)

sun blue

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Re: my life is in ruins, but at least I'm here
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2007, 02:26:45 PM »
Thanks for the reading list!  I've read about half of them but there are a couple I haven't yet which I'd like to check out.  I thought the Nina Brown book was especially good.

I'm just wondering about a comment that was posted here.  I'm curious if most of you are of the belief that, as children of NPD parents, we're co-dependents?  I'm familiar with co-dependency but, to be honest, I never really identified myself that way (nor have any of my therapists).  I believe my dad is severely co-dependent because he will never go against my NPD mom in any way (never disagree with her, always supportive of her, etc.). 

So, do most of you consider yourselves co-dependent?


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Re: my life is in ruins, but at least I'm here
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2007, 04:34:37 PM »
Dear Sun,

I consider myself a post child of co-dependence.  YES!!!!!

IMO, the co-d goes hand in hand with our lack of boundaries.  Our parents would not allow us to develop healthy boundaries because it threatened them.  Our boundaries didn't meet their needs, event though boundaries would have met our needs.  IMO, we are co-d because we had no boundaries, so neither our parents nor us knew where they/we began and they/we ended:  no boundaries.  N parents view us as little mini versions of themselves, we are not our own independent, separate persons.  IMO, the lack of boundaries is why we still feel so controlled by them and why we find ourselves posting on this board.

For an interesting look at co-d, suggest reading Certain Hope's post called the "Fawn Response" posted today.  I basically had a melt down over it.

Love,
sally 



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reallyME

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Re: my life is in ruins, but at least I'm here
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2007, 05:34:06 PM »
Sally and Sun,

Once again I have to share about Kay and her response when I asked her to tell me HER boundaries.  she said "BOUNDARIES?  I never had boundaries with ANYONE before...none of my friends...and I think you and I are fine, so I SEE NO NEED TO SET UP ANY SORT OF BOUNDARIES!"

In the end, the most of the punishment I received, was because I had inadvertently violated HER BOUNDARIES, by "taking up her time" that she should have been spending with her children.  That accusation was later hurled at me by not only her but by her HUSBAND!

Don't let ANYONE tell you that you don't need boundaries in relationship.  That can cause a LOT of future pain and damage.

~Laura

sally

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Re: my life is in ruins, but at least I'm here
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2007, 11:13:50 PM »
Dear Laura,

I’ve read how hurt you were by Kay.  I’m so sorry she was so horrible.

((((((((((((Laura)))))))))))))))

I’m with you:  Boundaries are a life saver.

Love,
sally

sun blue

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Re: my life is in ruins, but at least I'm here
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2007, 11:40:50 AM »
Just a couple of thoughts.

First, thanks for all your posts and responses.  I understand all the comments about boundaries and how important they are.  For me, I think the key to establishing and maintaining boundaries with your NPD parents is understanding that once you do so, you will give up hope of having a relationship with those people.  In my case, I do think it's very true that my NPD parent did not regard me as an individual, but merely as an extension of herself.  They do not regard you as an individual and so there is no "you".  That is hard.  Whether it's with my NPD mother, co-dependent dad or "healthy" brother, I know the reality is that once I enforce boundaries, any relationship with them is gone because I need them and desire relationships with them much more than vice versa.  I will then be literally alone.  I really am alone now but in a more superficial way.  Either way, it is painful.

As for the co-dependency issue, I'm still not sure about that one.  I guess it depends on how you define it.  I put together all this information for my "healthy" brother in the hopes that he could understand NPD and really so he could understand me.  I guess I was selfishly hoping for a little empathy and compassion, something I never got.  I was also hoping that he would understand that there really was something wrong in our family and that my depression and issues were not all my fault.

I think that's the hard thing with NPD.  Since the NPD person will never consent to therapy to get an official diagnosis, it's usually just a case of the survivor's opinion.  I begin to doubt myself.  Is this truly NPD or am I just blowing all these things out of proportion?  It's that validation that I need so desperately for so many reasons that I never get that is so disconcerting.