Author Topic: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.  (Read 2795 times)

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Joe and I met, 1961, Brenda and Ron were dating, married that year, Stella and Jerry were dating, married the next year, but the 6 of us did hang around together, and lived the lives of people in early 20s, hard workers and party goers.

In 1969 when I was in Rehab, was when I was receiving letters from Stella about Jerry’s alcoholism and beating her. They had 2 children and 3 foster children. All of them are in trouble of some sort and one , the real druggie, is totally out of touch. Stella stood by her man and he has been sober over 30 years now and they found religion. My Lord! Are they ever boring! Have nothing to talk about and Stella no longer loves Jerry, she says.

Brenda and Ron moved to USA right after the marriage, have 2 grown girls, moved from place to place. I visited them with my daughter in Baton Rouge in 1981. I saw Rick leaving for work at 4:00a.m. and late coming home. Brenda was a social butterfly, house was $$very well decorated $$  and she and the girls had $$wads of clothing shoes, makeup, etc.$$ while Rick worked like a dog to keep them in that Brenda never worked after marriage. She is now an alcoholic and calls me only when she is drunk. She told me that she doesn’t love Ron that they sleep apart, and that he used and lost a good deal of her inheritance from her father. When I call her, she is sober and has nothing to say. They are in Wichita now.

And Joe shot himself in 1979, but my daughter and I hadn’t seen him in 7 years. He was penniless (alcoholic).

What is with these long marriages and they don’t have anything to talk about when visiting or on the phone?

I saw my parents and other old folks living in boredom.

I sure don’t mind being alone!


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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2007, 08:45:06 PM »
 They don't call marriage  an institution for nothing ------now--Izzy
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2007, 09:03:15 PM »



Iz,

It happened again.  Lockjaw, I get it everytime  that marriage stuff comes up!   :(

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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2007, 02:56:30 AM »
Izzy, I really enjoyed reading some more about your life and the lives around you, from so long ago. Thank you!
X Bella




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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2007, 05:16:11 AM »
Izzy,

Interesting post.  Its interesting how we all start of so full of hope and love for another and then life gets in the way.  I think a lot of people go into marriage/relationships so they are not alone.  Also I think the fantasy of "living happily ever after" is so sedu.ctive.  I think people become so disillusioned with the reality of marriage that they just give up on themselves. They seek distraction in drugs, alcohol, shopping, bitterness and spend their lives blaming the other for the mess they end up in.  Bottom line is that I think people do not take responsibility for their own happiness and get caught up in the negativity of their lives.  All the blaming keeps them from looking at themselves.  It really is sad. 

On reading the post I had a sense of all the couples starting new lives together and how everything fell apart.  Feel glad I am on my own reading this, thanks for that.

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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2007, 01:56:49 PM »
ami, tt, Bella and axa

Thank you for your responses. They are nice to have.

I was going to post, "No Need To Respond", as it was just a passing thought of people from 45 years ago, BUT, who are still in my life, yet miserable in their marriages. I suppose the true commitment was never there and "stay together for the kids", or "the money" was the order of the day!

I was about 11 when, in my rural area, I heard about my "first divorce that was going to happen". I am beginning to see that my reactions were the nonchalantly, "Okay. So it happened!" at an early age, but everyone else was a-gossiping, and a-talking and a-ohmymying! and then when the news came out that the divorcing man already had another woman lined up, it just got worse.   circa 1950

I suppose I was nonchalant because it wasn't happening to me. I didn't start it and I didn't really understand the ramifications of the situation.

Love Izzy

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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2007, 04:36:45 PM »
Just to be awkward...

I love my husband more now than when I met him, if that's possible.

I have a friend who had been with her partner 31 years when he died at age 75, five years ago (she was 22 years younger than him). She still cries just about every day because she misses him so much. They were inseparable.

One of my sets of grandparents married when they were each 20. 48 years later, my nan died, and my grandad was heartbroken, and died soon after.

Marriage isn't always a prison. I've lived on my own, too, so I do know it from the 'other side'.


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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2007, 05:43:31 PM »
Dear Janet,
  You have what everyone wants and dreams of. Inside everyone (no matter how bitter they are--I should know)there is the dream of the type of relationship you have .               Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2007, 05:49:51 PM »
Dear Janet,

That was a very uplifting thing to mention, as I have every reason to believe that my marriage will last too. I think that as the generations evolve, there is more consciousness about relationships compared to, say, our parents and grandparents generations. Women can also take their time to grow and choose someone right for them nowadays because they are readily accepted into the workforce, instead of being forced to marry the first guy that takes an interest or gets them pregnant. Its a very different world these days.

What I loved about izzy's post was that it illustrated how long term relationships can pan out when conflicts are not resolved, and couples blame one another for the way their life turned out. I can relate to that, as plenty of people I know use their relationship as an excuse to give up their power of choice, and they wind up very unhappy and bitter.

What I love about my own relationship, aside from the emotional connection and communication we have, is that we want the same kind of life, and we work towards creating it together, instead of separately.  Its a bit different to the traditional model of one or two people going out to work all day, and coming home exhausted. I didn't find that kind of scenario very appealing. I really feel as though my finance is my `partner' in the true sense of the word.

X Bella


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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2007, 06:05:51 PM »
Janet,

Great to hear your experience and healthy marriage.  I know many people who do have good marriages.  The people I know in good relationships are respectful people, both parties, and are supportive in each other's growth.  I would love to be in a healthy relationship but so far have not had the opportunity but one never knows whats around the corner!!!

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2007, 08:08:55 PM »
You will AXA! But he'll need lots of energy. Maybe you can find a nice fit rock climbing type?
X Bella

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2007, 08:58:12 PM »
Dear Bella and Janet,
  I am so happy that after all your pain with an N mother that you have someone to love you.It makes me so happy to know that you are having warmth and comfort .                        Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2007, 09:23:41 PM »
Me, too.
 :)

Janet. Bella. Mud. Brigid. Healing&Hopeful. Moon.

Rays from your stories shine ahead.

I'm 57 and I still hope I'll be married again one day.
(Not too much hope though. Don't want that.)

love,
Hops
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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 03:10:45 AM »
LOL. Yes Hops, you could damage your brain :) I would love to see you with a wonderful partner. I seduced my guy with cooking, lol. Its worth trying.

X Bella






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Re: Just for the sake of trying to make a point? or--- well it came to mind.
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2007, 10:21:32 AM »
My beeping, you mean?  :lol:

The loving thing for me to do would be to show them the way to the nearest cafeteria...

Actually, I do enjoy cooking. Terrible thing to say, but I just don't enjoy doing it for my mother.

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