Author Topic: Depression era and N?  (Read 1941 times)

sonia

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Depression era and N?
« on: May 25, 2004, 09:54:31 PM »
Since there is a thread regarding culture and N, I've been wondering about the effect of the depression era and a correlation to Narcissism.

My parents both went through the depression and were very, very poor. They seemed to do stuff to offset their upbringing like my Dad's obsession with candy/sweets and my Mom's obsession with shopping. And they fostered a very narcissistic home life where we seemed to be there for their use and to make them look good. It was like they were continually trying to make up for some deficit.

Just a theory....I don't know if even makes much sense. But it has occured to me and was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts.

Sonia

Tokyojim

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Depression era and N?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2004, 10:17:06 PM »
I think that many people use their "era" as an excuse for their pathology.  Depression era, Vietnam Vets, etc.  Excuse.

My father actually had the rickets (lack of Vitamin B) from lack of food during the Great Depression, and all the grandparents told stories about it.  My father's only "hangup" that I saw was he lowered the heat too much at night to save a few bucks.  Otherwise, he was a generous man who gave free medical help to about 1/3 of his patients.

Research was done on the Vietnam Vets (I am one of them, a disabled vet, so I know about what I speak).  Among those investigated, virtually all of those who suffered from depression, anixety, etc. had histories before seeing combat.  The rest suffered no more than the general public does.

Those kinds of stressful situations can speed up or exacerbate existing conditions, that is all.  Don't let people use it for an excuse.  When I hear the Vietnam vets whine and I become sick of it, I tell them about or show my amputation.  That shuts 'em up fast......

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2004, 09:42:15 AM »
This is an interesting idea - I do think that circumstances can enhance personality traits that are already there, or cause them to come out in a more negative way.

And I think my grandmother, who grew up poor in the Depression, had a touch of N-ism.   But not so much as to be terribly destructive - she was definately a self-absorbed person, and nagged my poor Dad and Grandpa an awful lot, but neither of them seem to be ruined by it.  

And my Dad is a Vietnam vet.  I do think that after undergoing an intense negative experience, like being in a war, some people could react by temporarily becoming narcissistic.  I was very young when he returned, and over the following years, he and my mother both showed some self-absorbed behavior.  Not malignant or abusive - but when I think back it is clear that they just did not stop to consider the effects that their actions would have on their children.   Mostly this took the form of some religious experimentation on their part, some of which was quite scary for a kid.

 I used to be angry about this, but after I grew up a little and thought about the horrors my Dad must have seen at war, and the fear my mother must have felt, I realized that whatever they did was a way of coping with the aftermath of those experiences.  But they got through whatever that was, settled down, and are now quite normal and loving.

Maybe this is another type of situational narcissism?  I did read that after a traumatic experience, it is normal to be self-absorbed, as a person focuses on dealing with all their feelings and reactions.  Anyway, great topic to explore.

Tokyojim

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2004, 10:41:15 AM »
Your parents sound very "normal" or well-adjusted.  After a traumatic event, there is a period of adjustment.  If the personality is sound, this passes and there is a return to normalcy, even if there are moments of difficulty that can persist for life.

I have seen many of my Vietnam Vet cohorts use their psychological problems as an excuse to stay self-absorbed.  It becomes an excuse to avoid work and responsibility, to remain selfish, and/or to gain attention by being special.  I find this especially annoying when they make lives for others difficult by not supporting their children, taking drugs, being abusive, and not being emotionally available for their children.  I suppose that I am trying to say is to not let these people use their war trauma or Depression Era life as an excuse in which others have to suffer.

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2004, 10:55:46 AM »
That's interesting, Tokyojim,  I would describe my parents temporary behavior as not being "emotionally available" - as you said.