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Thanksgiving...Certain Hopes help post....
« on: Today at 03:17:29 PM »
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Hi all,
Certain Hope thank you for such a wonderful resourse ((hugs))!
As I was reading through this I realized this is my sister inlaw and her husband. Could the be N's too? I thought she/they were just controllers, of course that isn't easy to deal with either.
Yesterday dh called his sister and asked what besides dessert we could bring for thanksgiving dinner. She said, "Oh you are coming"
Dh replies, yes last time we spoke I said we were.
Her reply was well you haven't come three years. NOT IN A ROW I thought, again her spin. And if so who cares.
What the heck, I don't remember through 20 years how many we didn't make. You bad I felt she was silently saying.
She also mentioned she thought we MIGHT BE GOING to myside, well if that was the TRUTH wouldn't she of called and said,
"Hey are you coming I need to know"
She has twisted this all around. Ended it with a very cold maybe I misunderstood you. Bull!!!
She is just starting trouble, gossiping how we are not going and giving up on family and how could we do this ..blah..blah..blah...
I was trying to let go of old hurts, go with an open mind. Yet before we even get there she is doing her crap again.
Dh is the baby, shit on, told he's to sensitive etc. Sis is the oldest and the ring leader of the family, all scared to make her upset, not get her way.
Dh hung up and couldn't believe the spin she put on this. Now we will go and here from most, " Oh so you decided to come, thought you weren't going to make it" with loud voices, then belly laughs at us. same old
My stomach is sick. I do not want to go now!!! I wish he thought fast enough and said oh well we have several places to stop by, see you later...........NOT
I was making an effort for our kids to go and be with extended family and make a bit of peace.
Help I don't want to go now. Does she have N character traits to you?
If we don't go this will mean family fracture. We will pay the price.
What I highlighted is her to a T.
Just to be clear dh talked to his sister four weeks ago, said we were going after we switched christmas with her. It was easier for us space wise to host christmas than thanksgiving because of a sit down dinner and our lack of room. Christmas is buffet and less formal with such a large group. And we were extra nice, asked if she minded several times, and settled on the new arrangements. How could you forget this conversation???????????
With deep thanks for being able to come here and talk through, think, listen and grow into a better person. seasons
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Certain Hope
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Hi,
For the most part, the people who have brought the most havoc into my life have not been obvious abusers... at least, not at first. Each one began to show his true colors only at the point where my own personal interests diverged from his or hers. I've never been physically beaten, deprived of food and shelter, or literally locked into a room from which there was no escape. But I've been locked in, alright, by the controlling manipulation of people who had everyone in the vicinity convinced that they were kind, genuine human beings. For the most part, my abusers have been people who outwardly seemed to be caring, empathetic individuals who were genuinely concerned with the welfare of others. They are fakes.
Abusers can be masters of disguise and covert operations. The abuser hones his skills to expert precision, lest people see through his mask to the ruthless ambition and envy beneath. Above all, the abuser seeks to keep that mask firmly in place, so as not to lose the support of those who've been fooled by his outer facade of smoothness and apparent reasonableness.
I found this list of characteristics which so perfectly describes my abusers and I'm sharing it here because, to me, awareness of the techniques used by these chameleons is our best defensive weapon. None of this is anything new, but sometimes I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact that not all those who abuse others are outwardly aggressive and obvious. I hope this will help others as it has me to keep open eyes and ears open for danger signs in others to whom we might feel drawn.
1. Charming in public ~ exuding warmth and charm, an abuser smiles and tells jokes, praises and flatters you, outwardly supports you
with a show of approval and reassurance, makes you feel valuable and appears to be attentive to your needs
2. Rumor-monger in private ~ criticizing you behind your back, he may suggest that you have personal or emotional problems, carefully building a case against you via calculated misinformation passed on to others behind the scenes. He manipulates others into criticizing you and then rewards them for their participation in his plot to undermine your image in every way.
3. Two-faced ~ He pretends to support you while planning to destroy you; then when you challenge him, he suddenly transforms from supportive to bullying. His soft-spoken manner hides his destructive intentions, his flattering words hide his desire to control you, and his seemingly warm personality hides his take-no-prisoners attitude.
4. Distorts truth and reality ~ He misleads people by omitting key facts. He's extremely concerned to preserve an appearance of integrity, all the while withholding significant information. He misleads people by omitting key facts, he quotes hearsay as important and authoritative, then justifies his opinion by falsely claiming others think the same way. Master of the half-truth, he misstates and belittles your viewpoint, asks questions that demean you, then interrupts before you can fully respond, he changes the subject before you can correct his misstatements, then he adds new false accusations faster than you can respond to old ones. 5. Hypocritical ~ His spoken philosophy and behavior don't match, his words creating a positive image which does not match his actions. He describes his mistakes as minor, but your mistakes as serious, or ignores his own mistakes while always highliting yours. - He calmly demeans you, but is angry because you don't respect him. Not respecting him = pointing out the inconguities and inconsistencies between who he claims to be and what he actually does and says.
6. Evasive ~ He acts confused by any complaint about his behavior and always shifts the focus to others. He acts like he is the one who is being victimized. He tries to make you feel guilty for hurting him, accusing you of behavior that was far worse than his and asserting that you are the cause of his bad behavior (if he ever does admit to behaving badly).
7. Pompous ~ He acts like a know-it-all and never apologizes, unless to prove how rarely he makes a mistake He's a prima donna ... condescending in words, tone of voice and mannerisms. Every issue which effects him is high drama and he'll try to demolish the opposition in every discussion to keep the focus on himself.
8. Self-righteous ~ In order to disguise his corrupt character, he always claims the moral and ethical high ground. He brags about the goodness of his own character while suggesting that others have dubious motives. He frequently talks of his superior ethical standards, implying that others don't have his high standards and using distorted examples to prove that others are not nearly as superior as he.
9. Obsessed with image ~He believes that his image is more important than reality, so he disguises his true emotions and desires. When you see beneath his persona, he will suggest that your actions have hurt his image. Alternatively, he says that your proposed actions (i.e., exposing him) will hurt your own image.
10. Passive-aggressive ~ He'll keep you in the dark by sulking, instead of confronting issues.
11. Pretends to care ~ While pretending to care about others, he is at his most manipulative and dangerous. Most people are taken in by his apparently positive energy, enthusiasm and charisma, but in reality, they are naively being fooled by an attractive personality which hides a morally and ethically corrupt abuser who is coldly and ruthlessly pursuing his own selfish ends. His expression of affection is tainted with possessiveness and he compliments you only because it serves his purpose. He has a look of concern, but he doesn't truly respect you. He pretends to be your friend while tearing you down, destroying your reputation, weakening your position, and exaggerating the importance of your mistakes. 12. Plays the victim ~ He exaggerates his pain and suffering, trying to make you feel guilty for causing his pain and claiming that you don't appreciate him (all he does for you). He becomes angry and indignant when you try to reason with him, then says he is tired of doing all the compromising. Some of his favorite phrases: "Why are you ruining it for the rest of us?"
"Don't you want to help us succeed instead of standing in our way?"
"You hurt me when you did that."(or said that)
"You hurt my feelings when you did that."(or said that).
"You hurt others when you did that."(or said that).
"How could you do this to me?"
"I thought I could count on you."
"You betrayed my trust in you."
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