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tayana

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Guilt
« on: November 27, 2007, 11:11:36 AM »
I was thinking about guilt this morning as I was driving in to work.   I had a specific sort of guilt in mind.  The fact that I can't seem to take any time off from work with feeling like a deserter.  I called in yesterday because M was sick, and I spent a lot of time thinking about how I was probably going to get in trouble.  Then I'd have to tell myself that I wasn't likely to get in trouble, because other people in the office have kids who get sick.   I felt even worse when I told my boss I needed to leave a little early today so I can get to my appointment with my T.    I didn't tell him why I needed to leave early.

Other people can take days off without a problem.  They can come in and say, "oh I need to be gone for a half day tomorrow because I have a roofer coming and someone needs to be home."   I can't.  I'd have to schedule that as vacation time, and take the day and fret about what I'm missing.

I think this has a lot to do with my inability to relax and enjoy myself.  I have a hard time just having fun, because anytime I've had fun in the past I was berated for trying to enjoy myself.  So now, I have a hard time relaxing, laughing and just enjoying myself.  My son even asked me the other day, after I was particularly stressed and trying to get him to finish his homework, "don't you ever smile?"  I don't know that I do.  I don't feel like smiling most of the time.  Most of the time, I don't feel much of anything, except guilt.

Maybe the work guilt has something to do with my parents always going to work when they were sick and never taking vacation time.  Any time my mom took a day off, she'd end up calling or stopping by, because she couldn't trust anyone to do her work.  All she'd do while she was home was think about work.  I don't want to live like that.
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2007, 11:22:26 AM »
(((((Tayana)))))=

Tayana you are very responsible, and have a son to support. You have done quite well at your job and in making a home as a result of your integrity and sense of responsibility, and are to be commended!!!

If you are familiar with company policy and company culture, and have enough time under your belt, you can feel comfortable about using benefits that others enjoy in the proper way. I know that you would not abuse your privileges, and you are not a deserter- that is leftover brainwashing lingo that needs to be banished from the NEW N-freeTayana! No more fretting and stewing- you know what is right, you do it, and you can be comfortable in your own skin.

Have a great week Tay! You deserve it!

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Re: Guilt
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2007, 01:37:25 PM »
Hi tay
I never understood why I did this, but it was like you have described.

I was 20, and naive, and had a tumour that had to be removed. The Dr. said soon, before Christmas and I asked if it could wait until after New Years

1.) We had bought our parents tickets to fly to USA, so they would be away and I wouldn't have to face them, their not likely believing the truth.
2.) My job was done by me and only me. I didn't know how to tell my boss that I would be off for 8 weeks.

I rather nonchalantly went about my business, knowing that the first bed available after Jan 1, I would receive a call from the Hospital.
I was at work when it came and the boss was not there. I had to report in the next day at 2:00. He finally came in and then I told him. I was down to the wire even though I'd had about 6 weeks foreknowledge. I don't know what I was thinking. He liked me and never chewed me out. I was darned lucky, but I think he must have known I was embarrassed, or afraid or whatever to tell him.
The work just piled up when I was gone and knowing that, I went back to work, in pain, after 4 weeks.

I caught up and nothing more was said.

My parents came back and of all things my mother had had the same kind of tumour about my age and it was removed, along with one ovary, before she was married. so there were no questions or insinuations.

I've thought of my actions many times and could never place a reason why I was leaving people out of the loop--other than one girl at work asked, after I returned, if I had had a D&C.

I still cannot feel guilt-so I still wonder what I felt!

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Izzy

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Re: Guilt
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2007, 02:03:30 PM »
Changing, I waffle on my feelings about being responsible.  On the one hand, I'm very proud of all that I'm able to handle and do and maintain my sanity.  On the other, I never really had a chance to those wild and crazy things most kids do.  Not so much because I got pregnant, but because I was too afraid to do any of them.  So I never snuck into bars.  I never went to parties.  I never got some wild hairdo or wore funky clothes.  I didn't do it as a teen, or in my twenties, and now in my thirties, there's times I want to screw this reponsibility and just do something crazy.  I thought about having a tattoo around the scar on my ankle.  I've thought about having my ears pierced (never have), and then I thought about having my belly button pierced.  And then I'm sitting there thinking, "What the hell am I doing?  I'm too old for this stuff."

Amber, I've gradually gotten better.  There was a point where I decided if I was sick, and just felt awful I was staying home, no matter if I had a fever or not.  My mother had fits over it.  I still, have misgivings about taking any time off work though.  Even for vacations that I plan.  My mother always complained about anyone taking a vacation, as in going somewhere for vacation.  Vacations were supposed to be spent at home doing home projects, not just having fun.  That's hard to overcome.  There's no wonder I feel guilty for spending a day off just goofing off and doing silly things.

Izzy, I relate to your story so well.  When I broke my ankle and had to have surgery, I couldn't walk for 10 weeks.  My job required a lot of walking and lifting.  However, I'd just gotten a new supervisor, and no one was really doing "my" job.  I was told I could go back to work after the staples came out and I could wear a boot.  I went back to work 2.5 weeks post surgery.  I was in pain.  I could barely stand to sit up for more than three or four hours at a time.  Worst of all, after 10 weeks, I had to have a second surgery to remove part of my pins, and then I could start walking and physical therapy.  I was in even more pain than I had been after the reparitive surgery.  I burned a hole in my stomach with pain medicine.  Did I stop to take care of myself?  Nope, I just kept going in because no one else was going to do my job.  I didn't get any thanks.  I didn't get any help.  And when I finally left that job, they were eager to see my back.  It made me wonder why I had sacrificed my health.

I don't know that I felt guilty, but I felt like I had to give it my all.  And my mom was there right behind me, telling me that if I didn't get back in the work arena someone else would take over my job.  I didn't want that.
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 02:20:52 PM »
Dear Tay,
  It is so funny that you mention the topic of feeling guilty for taking care of yourself.
 I had that feeling yesterday.My H went on a trip and it is SO peaceful here. It is like "Hawaii "descended on my house. I just wanted to "feel " the peace,BUT I felt guilty.
  I realized that guilt is a state  of mind,not based on outside circumstances(IMO)
  IOW, whatever the economic, physical or environmental circumstances , WE bring  guilt with us( talk about excess baggage).
  That was my insight. Guilt was planted in us( N expectations) and will not go based on outside actions . It needs to be uprooted(IMO)                   Love   Ami

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Re: Guilt
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2007, 08:32:34 PM »
Tay,
Do you rent funny wonderful warm witty movies and watch them with M once a week?

Yes?

I think what you need is laughter, darlin.

Hops
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 10:07:37 PM »
Tay Dear-

You are uber responsible, but it's OK to splurge on yourself and try new things- really. Getting your ears pierced as you mentioned is a  very conservative start, and cute shiny earrings would look adorable with your new gamine haircut! You have made a new life for yourself, now's the time to express Tay some more in how you present yourself!

You can be the responsible and stable person that you have proven to be, and a lovely lady who presents herself beautifully as well- they are not mutually exclusive! And you don't have to suffer or deny yourself absolutely everything- just as you give so much to M in your love and great nurturing and teaching, you are teaching him about how one thinks about one's self and about women, in how you treat yourself. I vote for giving Tayana a big pat on the back, a hug and something fun!

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Re: Guilt
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 12:02:05 AM »
Hops, M and I watch Power Rangers and some cartoons together.  We don't watch always watch a movie every week.  I'm afraid when he's watching TV, I consider that me time and do things I need to do, like pay bills or else I do things I want to do like knit.  I've gotten a little better at being able to relax somewhat, and much better with the no contact boundary.

Changing, I can't quite pluck up the nerve to pierce my ears.  I want to, but at the same time I'm scared to do it.  Need to get the hair cut again too.  It's getting shaggy.  Thanks for the kind words.  I splurged on a Christmas present for myself.  I commissioned a painting from a writer friend (who is also an artist).  He does beautiful watercolors.  I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm not worried, since it's a busy time of the year.  I used to edit for him.  It was kind of pricey, but I loved the original painting.  I was so excited when he started accepting commissions again.

It's not fun, but it's something I wouldn't normally do.

I don't think I'm a very "fun" person.  I'm too serious.  I can only seem to be "fun" if I'm writing a character in a story, then I can do fun, flirty and all of that.  I can't do it in real life.

I know I shouldn't.  I really should go to bed, but I'm going to watch just one episode of Queer as Folk before bed.
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2007, 12:25:30 AM »
Tayana-

Commissioning a painting sounds like fun to me- Big time Medici/ Papal edict level fun at that!!!!

Don't stay up too late- the morning comes too quickly and sharply then!

Love,

Changing

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Re: Guilt
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2007, 07:08:48 AM »
I have spent most of my life feeling quilty about one thing or another.  I realize that that is how my mom tried to control me-it was thought control.  It worked for many years and maybe that is why I had a breakdown because I always had this pick feeling about anything that did not in her way.  My autistic daughter does not like to be with my mom and I figured out it is because she does not like the way she feels when she is with my mom.  I still have small pangs of it but it has gotten better.
Kelly

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Re: Guilt
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 12:22:55 PM »
Changing, I stayed up too late . . . I SO didn't want to get up this morning.

http://www.joshaterovis.com/art_gallery.htm

If you scroll down to "Big Blue" on the link above, that's my painting.  :)

Overcomer, my mom is the master of the guilt trip.  On Thanksgiving, she spent a lot of time talking about her health problems and what have you and going on about how many people wanted to drive her to the doctor.  I'm sure she thought she was making me feel really bad.  The truth is I didn't feel much at all.  I didn't feel guilty.  I didn't feel sad.  I just didn't feel anything.  When I told my T that last night, she was actually impressed.  She also told me that I needed no further contact with my mom until I can say, "Mom, I'm not talking about this." without trying to explain myself.
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You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you
really stop to look fear in the face. You must do the thing you think you cannot
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2007, 04:14:54 PM »
You painted that ,Tayana. How beautiful. You are very talented.
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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2007, 04:16:47 PM »




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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2007, 05:28:00 PM »
Ami, actually it was my friend who did it.  I wish I could paint that.  :)
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You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you
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Re: Guilt
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2007, 06:30:14 PM »
Well, I'm going to jump in this discussion on guilt a little late but I don't feel guilty about it :D

Just today I was reflecting on how much peace I have and how little I feel guilt in my life's these days compared to days past where I felt guilt ridden.

Once I attended a healing retreat to help me experience a deeper sense forgiveness for my past wrongs. While on the retreat we were invited to carry a large rock around with us wherever we went throughout the weekend (including bathroom and sleep) that symbolized the ways that we beat ourselves up or the heavy burden of guilt or whatever burden we wished the rock to symbolize for ourselves.

Throughout the weekend I can recall how much I was enjoying myself, more relaxed than I had been in a long while, so much so that I kept forgetting to bring my rock with me.  The counselors would stop me or find me and ask me to get up and go get my rock -- The retreat center was large and sometimes this meant high tailing it up many stairs and down long hall ways and then back to the dining area or retreat rooms, by then I would have missed something.

It was symbolic of how life was for me; I could or would be having fun for a while and then suddenly I would feel panic or worry that I forgot something or I would feel that sick deep feeling of guilt in my tummy, it would stop me from whatever I was doing just like having to retrieve my rock would.

There were years of self sabotage where I financially worried or was backed up on doctors bill debts. (These have all been taken care of now and the freedom from debt and financial worry is awesome)!!!

The healing retreat was so amazing. If anyone is interested you have to personal message me and I will send you the name of the retreat - they are worldwide.

At some point over the retreat weekend I took my burden of guilt (rock) and put it down, I no longer needed it.

Despite this deep healing around guilt there are still subtle layers of guilt that come up for me from time to time.  My boss commends me on my attendance however, I'll still feel guilty when I take a mental health day or sick day.

On weekends I get some extra time to myself and suddenly I feel guilty. I'll knit or read (which is my favorite thing) but all the while I struggle with a sense of restlessness...But these times are far and few from what they used to be.

Thanks for this post.

Lise