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lighter

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #60 on: November 20, 2007, 09:04:16 AM »
Yes yes yes, Changing.

She will get through this and it's wonderful her youngest will be there for Thanksgiving festivities.

I wonder how hard he had to work at negotiating that. 

 

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #61 on: November 20, 2007, 11:30:06 AM »
CB and DS (and lighter too), like I've said before; the wilder their behavior and accusations the more you know they're flopping like a fish on the end of a line that knows it's about to get the coup de grace on the old noggin with a good, stout mallet.
When they're dodging depositions and discovery and hiring and firing lawyers you know they're scared.
When they sit back quietly and grin they think they're in control.

Rejoice in their lunacy; the end is nigh.

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #62 on: November 20, 2007, 02:59:21 PM »
CB!

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One last futile N stab at control won't keep you down.

Hear, hear!
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Nigh, nigh!
(per Mud)

Quick-from-work bracing whack on the back chuck under the chin finger poked in dimple pat on the shoulder and HUG...

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2007, 11:12:28 PM »
First of all-----(((((((((CB))))))))))  These guys are unreal!  I am very sorry for your situation!  Please keep us posted!  Explain of you can.  I will have to take notes for later.   :?

AND...I will try to make this brief.  Court was interesting. Course he had a new lawyer.   I was granted a two year protective order, with no contact from him to me or kids BUT somehow, my version of events was not heard and the judge thought NO PARENT time for two years would be too harsh so she granted standard parent time.  Since HE alleged that the kids were FINE seeing him.  So that means they will be forced to see him every other weekend and 3 hours on a weekday each week.  UNTIL we get the divorce final.  He agreed to a guardian ad litem for the children and I don't think he knew what that was, but it was a win for me cause the kids will rat him out. Literally.   It will just take some extra time.  Not thrilled with that timing part, but gotta run the marathon here.  He will have to see the kids a bit until then.  What seems bad might be good...I will explain in a moment. 

He and his mother thought they were victorious somehow... I don't think they understand big words, actually.  Turns out he was practically exposed by my attorney for producing false documents to get out of jail, so he may be facing purjury down the line.  AND the judge ordered that the only communication between me and him would have to be through 3rd party.  GUESs WHO volunteers????   Mommy DUM MUM!!  I said NOT a CHANCE!  So we have to drop them at a private facility who takes care of these kinds of "transfers."  Turns out, when I go to do my intake interview with this facility, that the woman there informs me he already came, and she is very concerned that he does not seem to grasp the seriousness of the protective order or the fact he pulled a gun out in his home.  She said she would call him again, but was quite concerned with his nonchalance. He still claims he only showed me the gun which is a lie, but even then, the judge chastised him for it.   I agreed to let him see the kids starting Friday night even though it was technically "my time."  I figured I would get it over with for all of us. 

So, first thing the next morning after court---his mother starts calling me.  Thinking she is the middle-man now. Again, their delusion.   I called my attorney and put a stop to that quick although going back and forth really was about three hours.  My attorney said to email my NH and tell him I would not talk to her and she was not to come to the house for anything.  (she called to pick up the third seat of his vehicle he left in the garage when he left)   SHE SHOWS UP an hour later and is banging on my door and is sitting outside in HIS car!  I didn't answer and she heard from my H's attorney to get the hell out or I would have her arrested too.  I will NOT stand for this for one second cause she seems to have a selective and creative memory when it comes to what I say and do, I will not give her a chance to do that to me ever again.  And she lacks in social skills--and if I gave her an inch she would take a mile.  Just like her son.  So that disaster is averted.  Like I have time for this????  These people are idiots!

NOW, for the fun part!  I get Thanksgiving with the kids.  We have a blast and my whole family is over since the house is quite large and can accomodate a huge crowd.  I know NH will not be happy my family is partying on his dime, but he can't do or say anything!  I let the children enjoy the holiday and tell them Friday morning about having to visit dad for the weekend.  They react as expected.  With dread!  (long story short)  BUT I got it all on digital recording.  Several cried and all said "we don't want to go" and a couple got so upset they had to use restroom!  I said he will have to behave since he does not want his mother to see him being jerky.  So they calmed down and went.  It was hard and I finally broke down and cried when I dropped them off.  I will get them at 7 pm Sunday night.

I get a text this morning.  (My sis-n-law got them phones so he could not take them away).  He actually ask for the ones HE got them BACK at court since he could not call them anyway, my attorney said "Let him ask the children for them back HIMSELF!"  So the text says,----- it is getting weird here and we all want to come home!   I text with them for a minute and try to lighten it up and find out what is going on, and my 12 year old says HE is trying to tell them his version of events and it is waaaaaay offfffff!  I tell her just hang in it will be over soon. 

Later my oldest sneaks a call to me to tell me what was happening, and says she STOOD UP to him in front of her grandmother and told him he was lying and told his mother about his awful scary rages and everything she could before he started yelling at her.  He insisted on talking about things even though he has been told NOT to by courts and the "transfer" faciltity and attorneys,----- and she told him off!  Well, of course he could not stand it---and got very angry and told them all to go pack to come back to me since they obviously didn't want to be there anyway.  DUH!!!  that is what i have been saying all along!  And then said I had brainwashed them all and maybe the oldest just should not ever come to see him anymore.  (I swear he is clueless) Grandma had to step in and calm him down and take him in the other room and tell him to take his medicine.  Really!  My oldest says all the kids are hanging in but really weirded out. 

So...he decides to take them shopping for a toy or something to erase his behavior.  I told them to go in the first place cause he would probably try to buy them stuff.  He has not given us any money since he threw 500 bucks at me in our first court hearing over a month ago.  So I said go enjoy it for that if nothing else.  Now he is taking them to our church's mecca,  to see Christmas lights cause he thinks he is going to convert them and make me mad.  All he is doing is freezing them--it is only 30 degrees out there, so they will be ticked off.  Tomorrow he will probably pull something weird religiously too.  I know he is cornering the youngest 2 boys trying to get info, and he will, but nothing he can use.  There just isn't anything, except my 3 year old has a cold and I am sure he will make a huge deal outta that.  I have one too and probably a large portion of the country right now.  But he will try.

BUT he is getting another huge dose of reality handed to him by his kids!  Somehow he thought they were just desperate to see him!  That is how out of touch he is and has always been.  Not one, even the 3 year old has asked to see him in 6 weeks.  In fact to the contrary, they have all commented on how nice it is without him! 

OOOOOpsy, another long one!  I have never been without my kids for more than a few hours, and never by myself in the house in years and years.  Maybe never since I had them.  Seriously.   I have been a full time full time mom.  Last vacation was 8 years ago--but it was 2 days with him---so THAT was FUN!!!  This is weird, and I have been mothering by text and still worrying which is funny cause he can't do that, (contact the kids when I have them) he tried but they would not answer and so he went to jail.   But I am hanging in.  Got some of house stuff put up for sale online today and he won't be happy, but gotta survive, don't we!  He has never taken care of them for over a couple of hours and even then didn't do so well.  My oldest was ticked since she knew whe would have to be the parent all weekend.  And HIS parent too!   :shock:

Well, anyway.....just updating!  Hope eveyone had a good holiday!

 (((((((((((((((((I am thankful for ALL of you!))))))))))))))))))

Sunny

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2007, 11:45:14 PM »
My Dear Sunny-

You are indeed Divine in your strength and determination to live rightly, and bring Sunshine into even the toughest situations. I admire you so much and I am putting you and your little ones on the prayer list tomorrow. You have made a way through rough seas, but I just pray that you get the material support that you need and deserve- soon! (((((Sunny and her superb children))))

How sad that the stupid legal system hurts defenseless children and the ones who love them- I am sorry that you were made to suffer by having the children visit the Dum Dum clan against their will. Still, I am glad that you obeyed the court- of course you are too wise to make the mistake of going against a legal order- that way lies disaster!

I am tickled that you had a real Thanksgiving bash! You are really resourceful, and take whatever is available and make something good and nurturing out of it! Please take good care of yourself, and keep your boundaries intact against Dum Dum and Mum Dum. Best to you and your children.

Love From Your Friend,

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2007, 01:44:11 AM »
((((((((Changing))))))))))  Wow--thanks.  As you can tell, I love your Bagworm nickname so I went with Dumdum!  You took it to a very clever degree indeed with Dum MUM!  Hilarious!

I was just thinking, I listened to a book  (well 2 of them) while I was planning my escape  and it really ,really helped me to strategize and keep my resolve and courage.  I just thought I would share:

Both by Robert Greene
48 Laws of Power
33 Strategies of War

He is really lengthy in his detail of historical events so if you can make it through, he inserts so many excellent little pieces of advice and strategy throughout that it is worth the time to get all the way through.  It was for me anyway. 

It isn't about N's but may as well be since we all end up in battle and power struggles with them anyway sooner or later. 

Just thought I would share.

Sunny


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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #66 on: November 25, 2007, 01:57:36 AM »
Hi dear Sunny-

I am not involved in the heavy warfare that you are, but I am in the middle of a very ugly divorce from a violent N (no children). My lawyer is more and more on board about what a creeps NH Bagworm and his lawyer ( he calls him The Moron) are. I try to abide by the rules and am very frustrated with the violations of legal and moral boundaries. I know that you are very busy and I really appreciate your taking the time to share strategy resources- I'm going to try to find these books/tapes/CDs tomorow!

I love the idea of strategy based upon historical comparisons and examples- very Patton!! Thank you again Sunny- you are such an exceptional person, going through so much, yet always ready to help. Thank you again!

Love From Your Friend,

Changing

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2007, 06:39:49 AM »
Wow Sun.....

You're amazing in your immediate grasp of your situation and ability to just do what you have to do and get it over with. 

I find small humor in picturing him caring for 6 children, though I'm horrified the children have to be forced into the situation....  their discomfort and fear cancel out the humor, actually.

N thought he'd use that time to brain wash them...  and it backfired.

That brainswashing is considered Domestic Violence btw.  He shouldn't be having that conversation with them, just like his attorney and the drop center told him. 

So glad you didn't entertain one moments insanity from MIL.... crazy bitch showing up at your house and pounding on the door!  What the hecks that about??!??!  Just nuts.

You're being proactive and cutting to the chase...... no flip flopping.... stellar job.

I'm curiouse...... when does the gaurdian ad litem see the children and hear he's been abusing them, raging at them and had to have his mother calm and remove him from the children?

What does your attorney say will happen next? 

What meds is he on.... do you know?

Awwww heck.... I'm smiling picturing him handling 6 children, but only bc his mother was there. 

I wouldn't be smiling for a second if they were alone with him and you couldn't contact them.  Nope.... that wouldn't be funny at all.

Thanks goodness for the small blessings....... you're amazing and that was a very good catch up post full of lots of information.

Thanks: )  (((Sun)))



 

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2007, 01:31:46 PM »
Sunny,
I believe your kids are going to be okay because they have each other when they have to see It, and they are the rest of the time around YOU.

It sounds to me as though you've dealt so honestly with the kids. They don't seem confused or open to being manipulated by him. Whatever you've done to give them that sense of self (what we feel is what we feel, and around him, we feel unhappy) is a blessing to them.

You will all weather this. You and your beautiful children and your extended family of friends.

Eventually the drama will be down to a sputter and you will be enjoying a beautiful new chapter of your lives. He will be present, but ineffective, and life itself will be soooo much larger for your kids. He won't form a wall between them and happiness, just be an outcropping they learn to navigate around.

Love to you and them during this steep climb to freedom,
Hops
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« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2007, 01:35:37 AM »
Just thought I would update quickly:

My water was shut off at my house on Monday.  Had to pay 300 bucks in hurry to get it back on for the night.  Don't worry  I made sure he is getting into trouble for that.  His attorney told him he better get them all paid now!  

I sold a grand piano for full asking price in the 'nick of time' so I have some funds again.  My kids are home with me this weekend and thriving.  I got my cell phone out from under his account so he can't monitor me, and opened my own bank account ---finally!  Since he is finally leaving me alone basically.

Except for when the kids have to visit which isn't for almost a week!  Oh and he has ben advised to shut his trap and take down his blogs from his stupid myspace page.  He seems to have moved them to a more private spot BUT deleted his threats to people.  He is still deluded and lying about me and his court appearances and his interactions with the kids but I don't look....I was responsible for his attorney telling him to shut-up already but we have copies so too late!  For him!  He sat the kids down to read his blogs while he had them over the weekend!

He took them out to dinner and to see Santa when he saw them midweek for a few hours---that is fine----the kids were pleasantly surprised it was fun but were ornry till we got home cause ---well, its weird and confusing.  They are not allowed feelings when they are with him so they vent on me when it gets overwhelming.  Its ok.

He is trying to cause problems with teens daughters and me by asking them to get me to return things through them by holding their certain items he tool from their rooms "hostage"---then they are mad when I say no-can-do, but we work it out.  He tries but it won't work.  He is staying away and quiet now and the ONLY reason for that is I sent him to jail....if I didnt do it he would be harassing me and kids right now.  

He still isn't working, blames the messes he created on me since he can make me the scapegoat now.  My credit is soooooo messed up from being joined to him financially that it is pathetic!  Nothing I can't rebuild.  And I hear he is blaming his first attorney now for not advising him to stay away from me when I had a protective order--he even told the kids he was planning on suing the police for "helping" me more than him.
well, just checking in to say all-in-all, I feel pretty good about this week --just 'journaling' a bit!  Hope everyone is doing well!

Sunny

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2007, 03:01:44 AM »
Hi Sunny!

I am so glad that you posted. I have been thinking about you so much but didn't want to bug you. Oh Sunny, what a cretinous scoundrel your soon-to-be exDum Dum is , purposely causing disruptions in the lives and minds of his own children. The teenage girls need a stable and consistently loving daddy at this point in their lives, and the little ones need to feel safe and loved. It would be hard enough for them all to adjust,even if everyone acted properly, but his deliberate acts of chaos are unconscionable. Thank goodness you and God are more than sufficient to set things right.

Wow you are resourceful, getting the water turned on , getting everything straightened out and separate ((((((Sunny))))) you are a marvel and an inspiration. I hope you get the financial support you are entitled to very soon. As you so aptly say, you can rebuild your life, and I know you will, better than before!

I know that you are taking fabulous care of the children, and I hope that you had some time to register for classes and financial aid, etc if that is still what you want to do. One thing for certain , the man is a blithering idiot jabber jaw Dum Dum and you will win if you stay strong and don't get sucked in by his ploys. I so look forward to the day that you post that the legal wranglings are over and you are free and secure. You are on the the prayer list and everyone is pulling for you Sunny! You are amazing!

Love to You and Yours,

Changing

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Re: Well, my NH is in jail for the night......
« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2007, 08:15:52 AM »
WOw, SUn....::Sigh::...

You have him on the ropes. 

You believe you've done everything you could do, and cut him not one bit of slack.

I'm so impressed with your ability to remain calm and focused.... even with 6 children, school and the holidays.

 Amazing, my dear.

He can squeal all he wants but...... it don't mean nuthin in the courtroom.

I'm guessing his second attorney is threatening to dump him now and thinking about it often.

He's a walking nightmare for an attorney to deal with and hopefully his attorney has children (and experience as guardian ad litem) so he's going to care about your children.

I have goosebumps picturing you on your white horse..... charging then slowing to a walk.... pacing yourself in the battle, rarely ruffled by the enemie's tactics. 

Your good humor and abiltity to keep perspective are outstanding.

((Sun)) 

You're not reacting to him..... I think you realize that's his biggest weaponGetting you to react to him.

 

With poise and grace, Sun carries herself into battle, protects her children and navigates the legal system.



Brava..... ::clapping::