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tayana

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Article about family dysfunction
« on: November 30, 2007, 03:56:51 PM »
I found another article to pass along.  This one's kind of long, but very good.

http://www.mudrashram.com/dysfunctionalfamily2.html
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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2007, 06:04:13 PM »
Hi Tayana,

I'm still working my way through the article but so far it is thought provoking and helpful.

Thank you for this.

Lise

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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2007, 06:31:10 PM »
Hi whoever reads this:

This is a good time for me to express my opinion on other people's opinions. Each person is entitled to his/her own opinion, but who do we really know to believe.

I felt like a scapegoat, and one sister told me she thought I had been the family scapegoet---as per the following definition from 'Wikki':

The word is more widely used as a metaphor, referring to someone who is blamed for misfortunes, generally as a way of distracting attention from the real causes.


Metaphor
Look up Scapegoat in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.When used as a metaphor, a scapegoat is someone selected to bear blame for a calamity. Scapegoating is the act of holding a person, group of people, or thing responsible for a multitude of problems. Related concepts include frameup, patsy, whipping boy and fall guy.[/
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Now that fits what I feel happened: and even the scapegoating mentioned in the Bible....when the real SG was burdened with everyone's sins, then was sent off to the wilderness while the people were to feel cleansed (my words)


Now look at this author's idea of a scapegoat  in a dysfunctioinal family:

The Scapegoat, who is often the second born, characteristically acts out in anger and defiance, often behaving in delinquent ways, but inwardly he or she feels hurt in that the family's attention has gone to the Dependent or the Hero, and he or she has been ignored. The Scapegoat's poor performance in school, experimentation with drugs, alcohol, and promiscuous sexuality, flaunting of the conventions of society, or involvement in adolescent gangs or criminal activity may lead him or her to be labeled the family's problem, ----------------------------------[/b]

........... and  more as one can read for oneself. I do not fit this person's idea of a scapegoat.

I would have to drop me somewhere in Lost Child:

The Lost Child role is characterized by shyness, solitariness, and isolation. Inwardly, he or she feels like an outsider in the family, ignored by parents and siblings, and feels lonely. The Lost Child seeks the privacy of his or her own company to be away from the family chaos, and may have a rich fantasy life, into which he or she withdraws. The Lost Child often has poor communication skills, difficulties with intimacy and in forming relationships

................ and more, as one can read for oneself.

Now this is no offence to you, tayana. This was my chance, after reading so much on N-ism ,dysfunctional families and trying to head myself in the right direction. 5 years of reading articles that sometimes 'clash'.

SO may different opinions and we can also find that in different people's take on what certain passages in the Bible mean. We can also have different ideas presented to us here on this Board, as well as from our therapists, and from people in different countries.

I'm writing this now as I am a little more mixed up than I was a few months back. Too much input for me, as I am not taling a psychology course.

Love
Izzy



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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2007, 06:47:24 PM »
Interestingly, covered the topic of 'scapegoat' at Bible College whilst studying for my theology diploma.

In the Old Testament:   A live goat (scapegoat) over whose head Aaron confessed all the sins of the children of Israel on the Day of Atonement. The goat, symbolically bearing their sins, was then sent into the wilderness. 

In the New Testament:  There is no scapegoat, as in the new covenant, we have Jesus Christ who atoned for our sins on the cross at Calvary.

How wonderful is that! 

Don't know of anyone else who would die for me.

Love, Leah

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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2007, 06:55:29 PM »
As for the secular view of a 'Scapegoat' whether it's FOO or Workplace or Relationship or Friendship related

It is in my understanding, where someone comes under attack from a perpetrator who diverts and dumps the issue of blame onto an innocent person.

As for the article (written in 1992), I disagree with it's content.  Came across it sometime ago, and disagreed with it then.

Roles can, and do, in my experience, change, frequently, at the whim, or for the purpose and plan, of the perpetrator.

But, the stereotyping of each role in such a way is altogether a misrepresentation; speaking from both experience and research.

Love, Leah




Dear Tayana,

That I disagree with the article' content, has no bearing on you posting the article, which I came across sometime ago now.

Your thoughtfulness in sharing, to date, numerous superb insightful articles, is exceptional and truly appreciated.

With thanks,

Love, Leah

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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 07:55:46 PM »
Thank you leah

I appreciate that you disagree about the content too.  (if no one else did, I would feel strange.)

I still mean no offence, tay, because I will just be repeating myself about having read TOO MANY ARTICLES to get into the mindset that I can live with, when another bunch of articles come rolling down the pike and at the first inkling that I disagree I read no further.

I've been running on instinct alone.................... and I could be very wrong................. but I still begin to read new articles to see.

I've also noticed that some here on the Board will ask a question that needs only a Yes or No answer. That can be dangerous.

If anyone finds me nit-pickiing or appearing argumentative? It's just me. I 've been set back a bit and I don't know why for sure!

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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 08:18:50 PM »
I o-d on articles too Izz...don't worry about it.
When I see a bunch of links or quotes and I would rather personal voices instead, I just skip 'em.

love to you, don't be set back, you don't have to take in everything...ain't always possible...

ebb und fleu,
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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2007, 05:07:31 AM »
Hi Izzy

I admire your openness and freedom of expression with courage of conviction.

Far healthier to respectfully express that one does not agree with something, than to merely say nothing, especially for me personally; as saying nothing, was my previous life, and most certainly was not healthy.

And really, we can't just take everything on board, instead, it's far healthier to discern, weigh up, in light of of evidence, as read or researched.

Healthy open discussion, again, respectfully, is the healthiest option, as I see it.

Asking questions is wonderful, knowing that suggestions or signposting will be freely offered, is so liberating.  Suggestions, that ought to be discerned and weighed up.  That said, my appreciation of the insight and wisdom so freely expressed here on the forum is immense.

Personally, with the knowledge and understanding gained to date, and active discernment and wisdom, I sincerely hope to be equipped for a healthy life, on my 'new life' journey, ahead.

With eyes wide open and ears fully switched on - at all times!  :)


Love, Leah

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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2007, 11:48:25 AM »
Izzy,  I'm sorry I didn't reply last night, but I was really tired.  I ended up taking a nap and going to bed early. 

There's no offense taken.  I'm not particularly religious, so I like reading all the different psychology articles about these things.  I just thought I would pass the information along.

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Re: Article about family dysfunction
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2007, 02:28:33 PM »
HI tanya,

My comments have been on my mind for some time and I didn't know how to get started.

That was the ideal article to give me a boost, when Scapegoat was described so different from what I had always thought, and I have doubted my thoughts many times. When I read something that I really feel fits me, then I believe I have learned something "right for me"

Therefore, my message. Thank You Leah for your kind message of understanding.

I think of all the articles that I have read over the past 5 years, and apply the Al-Anon phrase I learned, "Take what you want and leave the rest". Somehow to me that is the same as in Court when a defense lawyer wants something in the  jury's minds. He says it, it is stricken from the record, but is it stricken from the mind? I doubt it.

So that is what I do with certain info in articles---I keep the 'best for me; "<grin>---so as I keep reading I see differences of opinion and this time I happened to write about it and it happened to be on your thread.

I am not particularly religious either---biblical referencese read like Shakespeare to me.
Have a good Day
Love
Izzy


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