My Aunt

[wiltay]

I'm just getting back in.  Lighter, just when I see a shred of something to like in you you become totally obnoxious and start throwing flames again.  Don't you understand YET what a flame is?  But fine, we are in a flame war which YOU started so by the rules of the game throwing more flames and NAME-CALLING is expected from you since obviously an intelligent conversation isn't going to be possible with you, ever.   Ami certainly never succeeded and she tried a lot harder than I have.  The reference to Brit is the fact that it seems evident that you are from a different country and obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about when you compare me to Cheney.  The deliberate insult is that you are an ignorant foreigner without a clue.  You might not even be a foreigner, but you are certainly ignorant. You made a basically stupid,nonsensical reference that means nothing to me, except it is clearly meant to be an insulting, NAME-CALLING  FLAME which you have made at least twice now.  Are you keeping score Izzy?  I think she's way ahead of me (so far!!). If I thought you were from Australia I would have said Aussie.  It was just a guess, from some expressions you have made that are obviously not US origin.   I happen to be a Brit on both sides of my family and I still probably have some distant relatives over there.   

     I have read ALL of your recent postings to Ami and they ALL been attacks.  There has not been one benevolent, believably good-natured comment in the whole bunch.  Ami saw them as hostile, I saw them as hostile and other people who are not part of this current conversation saw them as hostile.  But you say they were 'advice." Sure Lighter, whatever you say.   I also remember very briefly scanning some of your snipes against Ami a few months ago and that's what they were SNIPING.  Ami also told me you have been taking shots at her from almost day one and I have every reason to believe her from what I have seen with my own two eyes.  So basically you have a long pattern of sniping, harassment and personal attacks against Ami that go back a long ways.   And now you say you have posted under different screen names so the list is probably much longer.
        Ok, Lighter your turn.  Isn't this fun?  Are you learning anything? Are you digging this flame-war stuff?  Are you enjoying being on the receiving end of it for a change?  Give me your best shot--you PRs obviously can't hit the broadside of a barn!

[JanetLG]

OK, my turn.

Are any of you Americans aware that outside of the US, many, many people think that Americans are shallow and ignorant?

Just an observation.


Janet.
From Britain.
Very glad I'm not American at the moment.
Good luck to the lot of you.
No, I'm certainly not 'jealous' of your 'freedom'.
Or your 'success' (where?).

[lighter]

Wiltay......

I'm not the only one who thinks Ami might have a lesson in some of the posts she thinks are attacks.

I'm not the only one who's tried to help her see something beyond herself, though you would have a point if it were true.

You call it sniping..... (you wouldn't last a minute on a woman dominated parenting board, btw if you call this a war) well....

you say Tomatoe I say tomato and I guess we'll just have to disagree there.

About the Cheney remark.....  I'll explain it like this....

Ami            * Little Bush

WIltay         * Cheney

Newbie       * Rumsfeld

Hops           * C. Powell

Overcomer    * Mike Luckovitch

Lighter        * The Dixie Chics  (when your this evil..... you can be a whole gaggle of bad girls )

WIltay.... I don't see this as a flame war..... I'm going to go back to what I was doing,

 (after I first adjust Ami's crown, hand her a bouqet....)


She's lovely..... even if she isn't always having the biggest and best discoveries, Wiltay.

I think that's a mark her mother left on her, maybe she feels she's not entitled to have feelings unless their huge or over the top important?  

Not entirely sure but.... notice I didn't call her any names, state that I was emperically correct or condemn her in any way.  

Perfection is a terrible curse, I hear.    



I will say this....




her acceptance speech......





was flawless.

::nodding::

  

[Leah]

Just so I will know, who is from Britain?

He is?  Who else is from England?  Leah?

I am trying Am but no one will tell me.

On the board, there are always "life experiences' to  be learned. I have had SO  many so far. All of them are 'new' and unexpected.
 

Likewise, here on the board, I have learned much recently, though none of it was unexpected.

In particular, the abrupt discourteous PM message out of the blue yesterday, and the flow of postings thereafter, on the board.

Grateful for precious affirmation and validation of discernment.

Love, Leah

[Overcomer]

Leah?  I hope it was not me.  The only reason I kept asking about Brits is because Bill made a comment about that and I could not for the life of me figure out who he was referring to.  And Janet?  I will bet you feel that way.  I see people from England as much more refined and I am proud to say my dad is a pure bred Brit.

[lighter]

Oy, Leah.  Sorry about that.

[Overcomer]

I want to say that I got caught up in the middle of this yesterday and I should have kept my observations to myself.  It was probably rude to laugh in the middle of a conflict.  My hopes are that everyone involved will cool off and learn from their mistakes and I am grateful to Dr Grossman for locking this thread.

[lighter]

It was probably rude to laugh in the middle of a conflict. 

But Mike Luckovitch always makes us laugh in the midst of conflict

[paps]

Advice is given all the time on this board.  It’s part of what the boards about.  Lighter was not wrong to state what she saw and to voice it.  And Ami wasn’t wrong to say that Lighters advice wasn’t helpful to her.  Lighter didn’t bring the situation about Jac up to discuss it, and Lighter didn’t bully Jac.  She asked Ami what the difference was in Ami giving advice to Jac and Lighter giving advice to Ami.  Her point being the giving of advice is common here.

The problem was the so called support.  Insulting another because your friend is offended isn’t support.  There’s lots of a terms for went on here, mobbing, flaming, namecalling, stirring the pot etc.  Nothing in this thread has been about recovery and this is suppose to be a board for recovery.

“I appreciate your concern Lighter, but I need to work out my issues my own way” was all that was needed.  Instead we have groups that formed against each other, and all sorts of other unhealthy tactics that are normally used by abusers and not those trying to recover from abuse.

The real question that needs to be answered on this thread is why are these tactics are being used here and what can we do to put them to a stop.  They help no one that is serious about recovery.

[Overcomer]

I did not even know who Mike was until I googled him.  I guess I am the comedy in the midst of tragedy!

[Ami]

Paps,   I have said that to Lighter on MANY occasions--to no avail---but I do not want to start the thing up again. This is just to set the record straight--since you asked.              Ami

[lighter]

Yup yup yup..... Paps.


Overcomer..... did you see his cartoon where the Priest asks if his outfit makes him look too gay, lol? 

Hysterical and his job's to make people laugh at (themselves and each other) in the midst of conflict.  Sometimes he just points and invites contemplation.   

You could be in worse company, I don't think you did anything wrong, my dear. 

[Ami]

Me either.,Kelly!!!

[Leah]

Advice is given all the time on this board.  It’s part of what the boards about.  Lighter was not wrong to state what she saw and to voice it.  And Ami wasn’t wrong to say that Lighters advice wasn’t helpful to her.  Lighter didn’t bring the situation about Jac up to discuss it, and Lighter didn’t bully Jac.  She asked Ami what the difference was in Ami giving advice to Jac and Lighter giving advice to Ami.  Her point being the giving of advice is common here.

The problem was the so called support.  Insulting another because your friend is offended isn’t support.  There’s lots of a terms for went on here, mobbing, flaming, namecalling, stirring the pot etc.  Nothing in this thread has been about recovery and this is suppose to be a board for recovery.

“I appreciate your concern Lighter, but I need to work out my issues my own way” was all that was needed.  Instead we have groups that formed against each other, and all sorts of other unhealthy tactics that are normally used by abusers and not those trying to recover from abuse.

The real question that needs to be answered on this thread is why are these tactics are being used here and what can we do to put them to a stop.  They help no one that is serious about recovery.

May commonsense prevail

Sincerely,

Leah

[mudpuppy]

All I can say is Doc G is way more accomodating than I would be and I like Dick Cheney.

mud