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Ami

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The N Layer
« on: December 03, 2007, 08:48:24 AM »
When I talk to my Aunt,I see how "easy" life could be.
When I tell my Aunt that I feel guilty for having "feelings, she is incredulous.
 If she feels s/thing, she accepts that it IS  human,as I used to a long time  ago.
 Sometimes, I feel like I have a glimpse of the self I used to be under  all these layers of craziness ..I used to live simply like my Aunt.
  I did not need to control other people's emotions. I was responsible for mine,only.
  I did not need to be the 'best". I was happy with the few good qualities  I had and was grateful  for them.
 I could suspend my ego . I had  joy in giving.
The best part was that I could let any crazy thought or emotion go by without thinking anything of it.I thought that it was simply a "crazy" thought that was "flying" by my head.
 I saw my M as having a set of personality characteristics  that had NOTHING to do with me. She was insecure.I was secure.She was too serious.I was funny.
 She had to be the "best". I could be mediocre.
 All the way down the line,I was  different.
Now, I turn around and I am the same  in too many ways for comfort.I am afraid all the time. I am afraid of "whatever". I don't even know. A spirit of fear pervades me.My M was afraid all the time. I see that she really could not help her thinking. She was buried too deeply,as I am now. The only difference with me is that I am digging out .
 I forgive her and realize that I am 'alone".
  She did love me the best that she could. I was simply an "appendage" to her and she treated me the way  she treated herself. My F stayed with her b/c he is not "right" either. He is not connected to his core so he allowed crazy situations to happen   and just "stood there".
 I got "buried" the same way that my M did---little by little .
 The only way out is truth--- fearless. I have to look at the truth in a cold,clinical  way.
I am beginning to see the N layer in myself.My Aunt simply accepts it as "human". It does not bring great angst to her. She could not understand(emotionally) what would bring s/one to spend years in a shrinks office.
 She does not have layers upon layers to dig out of .What they  really are--- are  lies-----lies upon lies
 We started  going down when we accepted our first lie, whatever it was. Mine was that my M was O.K..
I don't like to see the ugliness within myself .but it is there. I can see it a little better now, without flinching so much.I can see it go by sometimes, without judging . My Aunt just sees it go by effortlessly.
  I have to look within the dark ugliness of myself and just "see".At 14,I could do this.I could see it all go by . My Aunt says that she tries to live with integrity. She sees the feelings go by and then decides the action. S/times, she does the wrong action, the selfish action. That is part of the humanness ,too.
 Integrity is  a beacon,but s/times you miss it. Then , you just put it in the human "circular file" and go on. 
Can you imagine how simple life would be if you learned  this wisdom at the "right" time.?

 
 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 02:26:15 PM »
The N layer is  "animal instincts",I think.
 Storm used to talk about this. She said that the abuser has to "break" you by taking away this layer. So many of my threads are trying to get a handle on this.
  I think of certain people who are like "boxers', with exquisite instincts.They "flow" like a 'fighter" who punches and ducks.
 So much of navigating life is being able to feel the subtleties. That is what you lose when you are abused,I think. You have so many unmet needs. . You keep repeating the same "story" instead of facing what is right in front of you.
  I am seeing that now---how I was not "present" in life.In fact,from 14 on, I was numb in every experience I ever had.Going through ALL these life experiences--numb.
   If I saw s/one with "bad" qualities,I had to block my "sight"  so I didn't have to process it. I remember how "safe' I used to feel when I could "see" and "feel".
  Then, ,I had to become a "shock absorber" for everyone else.I thought that  the world would spin out of control if anyone had a "bad" feeling.  The world WAS on the verge of spinning out of control if my M's ''bad" feelings were not absorbed. Now, so many years later,I am still doing the same thing:so many useless patterns that have NO bearing on today.
  I remember visiting a friends house while I was in college. Her F was horrible. I remember "feeling" his essence and being able to see him.I guess that my life got so out of control when I laid this layer down.
I felt guilty for other people's "bad qualities.I could not see that the qualities were in THEM--not me.
 

                                                                                           

« Last Edit: December 03, 2007, 02:42:53 PM by Ami »
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 04:55:18 PM »
Dear Amber,
  Maybe "ugly"is the wrong word. I guess that it is like  when an animal protects itself with  it's instincts, that  would not be ugly--right?
  I guess that I was "told" that it was ugly when it was just 'natural".Good point              Ami
« Last Edit: December 03, 2007, 04:59:28 PM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 08:49:59 PM »
Dear Amber,
  Maybe "ugly"is the wrong word. I guess that it is like  when an animal protects itself with  it's instincts, that  would not be ugly--right?
  I guess that I was "told" that it was ugly when it was just 'natural".Good point              Ami


Ami,

Can you break it down for me?

What instincts are you talking about:

self esteem
ego/pride
emotional security
social security
financial security
ambitions
sex

This is what I learned over the years:

These listed above are our God given instincts.  God wants to feed us, clothes, protect us, and most especially love us.

Am I on the right track or am I missing something?

Lise

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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2007, 09:19:06 PM »
I think that part of it is feeling that the "self protective "instinct is "bad?  Do you understand what I mean?It FEELS "bad" or "wrong"
It FEELS like I am doing s/thing "wrong' by protecting myself emotionally.                  Ami
                     


No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2007, 09:40:34 PM »
 I was taught that ALL selfishness was "bad'. The N layer is simply that layer of self protective instincts--emotionally,physically, psychologically where you chose yourself FIRST. THAT is the N layer---choosing yourself first. Do you guys understand HOW hard it is to chose yourself first and "sit" with it and be comfortable with it.
  THAT is what the N layer is.               Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2007, 09:45:23 PM »
I Do you guys understand HOW hard it is to chose yourself first and "sit" with it and be comfortable with it.
  THAT is what the N layer is.               Ami

Yes, I do know ... some of that has come up for me this past year. As a matter of fact this weekend I took a break from volunteer work to read, knit, and bake cookies, however, I ended up have and anxiety attack instead -- guilt.

Lise

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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2007, 09:51:17 PM »
You get it EXACTLY---Lise. That is the point of my whole thread. Thank you,Lise                Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 07:34:36 AM »
I think that I got to the bottom of  the layers(maybe?). The N layer, as I call it, is the layer where a child pulls a toy from another child. He says,"It's mine."it could be survival instinct or just WANTING something b/c you want it without regard for s/one else. THIS is what N's do. They want s/thing and they take it.It could be anything.It could be s/one else's brains,beauty,etc. If they can't take the "actual" thing, they will try to destroy it in you so THEY  don't have to be threatened by it.(This is what happens with the N mother(IMO))
  They want what they want WHEN  they want it.
  My Aunt gave me the "clue' to the N layer. She said, Everyone is selfish and has bad motives, Ami dear.It is just human."
 There she is elegant, beautiful ,gracious,loving,-----admitting the N layer- She even told me a story where she was  selfish ,but  forgave herself. She put herself BEFORE her D and traumatized the D ,but she could talk about it and share it. She could own it and then not let it stick to her like shameful slime.
  To make it short--My Aunt suspected that her M(my GM) might be dead . My Aunt let her D (20's) go up and "discover" my GM  b/c she(my Aunt) did not "want" to. My Aunt told me that it really traumatized her D and that my Aunt was very selfish for doing this. However, she put it in the "circular file" of "human".
  Maybe,it does not explain what I am trying to say. However,my Aunt made a selfish choice and then lived with it---without destroying herself(Sigh).
  The N layer is what N's OPERATE  on most of the time. That is why they hurt us so much. So, the antidote to the N layer is to develop the OTHER parts of the personality that will balance it.
  There is the Adult part, which waits it's turn. There are values which take you to a "higher " level.
 However( and this is the key), we cannot DENY that we have the N level. THAT is why I was sick. I could NOT be selfish.I could not WANT  to steal the "cookie' from s/one else. I had to be above the N level. Hence,I was sick.
  I was denying that I even HAD an N level. Every time it reared it's head I had to beat it down. How?with depression, sickness, crazy ideas etc.
  I could not FACE the N level. I must have done this as a survival skill. I could not have wants and needs as a child. I HAD to give them up  and try to just swim in my M's 'waters"
 Then,,I thought that I was "bad' for having wants(pure wants)
  So, I was conditioned to be the same way AFTER  I left my M's house.
  I was as"stuck' as when I lived there.
   Thank you for letting me have a place to talk. .Healing is a matter  of survival for me. I have to do it . It is my life's passion and I can't stop until I am well.                   Love  Ami.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2007, 07:50:14 AM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2007, 07:40:13 AM »
Dear Ami,

All this 'bad' you are in turmoil over is ......... GUILT

Pure and simple.

GUILT is the root -- and inner anger, frustration and maybe even depression, are the symptoms or the branches.

Dig out the root GUILT and the branches are no longer

Selflessness is wonderful, it truly is, but true selflessness that flows freely from ones heart has no guilt tag with it.

Trying to be selfless while all the time feeling 'bad' or guilty for feeling selfish is what allows GUILT to take firm root in ones heart and is in effect, self destructive.


Thinking of you ((( Ami )))

Love, Leah


Edit:  ....bornfree's postings on Lupita's thread yesterday is well worth a read and also Certain Hopes post regarding feelings and ones heart.

I have just googled for you and found this ........

Guilt is a part of the emotional and psychological makeup of every human being. We all have it. However, just as with any other of our emotions -- such as anger, fear, and even love -- guilt has to be in balance. Guilt should be looked at as a safeguard. Guilt is that emotion that tells our conscience mind that we have done something that is wrong.

We could think of guilt as an alarm system that helps us to know when we are out of line. When we know the right thing to do and we do not do it, we will feel guilty.

However, if we "feel" guilty all of the time, then there is an imbalance in our mental attitude about our actions and ourselves. We are allowing the emotion of guilt to control us and that is what is wrong. Therefore, we need to examine ourselves. Do we have reason to feel guilty? Have we offended someone, broken the law, or acted in an anti-social way?

If the answer to these questions is no, then feeling guilty is a false alarm. When the emotion of guilt is in control and making us feel guilty without cause, then the result is irrational thinking. We must find a way to bring our emotions into a balance by an honest evaluation of the situation.

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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2007, 07:43:30 AM »
Thank you,Leah     
                             


No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2007, 10:07:15 AM »
Dear Amber,
  I think that the use of the term N is what is confusing. I could call it the instinctual level. Would it make different sense to you  then?             Ami
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2007, 10:23:42 AM »
What I mean-----the N layer  IS  the developmental level of 3-4 years old- very simply. I was TAUGHT that it was "bad" but it is not.It is just a developmental stage --not good OR bad. IF you stay there--like N's --it iS bad. Do you understand my point better---now, Amber?
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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2007, 10:30:42 AM »
Hands Up here ...... because I don't understand your point at all (( Ami ))

You never mentioned anything about this 'N layer' is when you were 3-4 years old in your post.

Which book are you reading this from?

Truly concerned.

Love, Leah

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Re: The N Layer
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 10:36:10 AM »
Leah---- I am just naming s/thing myself. I am calling our "normal" developmental stage --the N level. I just "made" up the name.
  I guess it is confusing. It is the stage we ALL go through  at age 3-4. Abused people,often, have to shut down this layer inside them. Do you understand what I mean?                   
« Last Edit: December 04, 2007, 11:01:33 AM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung