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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #165 on: December 12, 2007, 02:10:57 PM »
Anon123:

Are you one of Leah's multiples?

You sound just like her.

Lise



Lise.... lol..... you and ReallME are cracking me up here, lol!

In the midst of Ami either facing a 'core' truth or continuing a campagn of denial, drama and chaos..... (ddc for short)

 you and Laura keep posting up dell and down dell about things that have something to do with anything besides Ami's making a connection here, lol.  


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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #166 on: December 12, 2007, 02:17:06 PM »
Ok Janet.  I'm getting it now.  

This stuff started about 2 weeks ago, when you first told Ami you were uncomfortable with her confiding about the affair.  She still kept on, you say, and then finally, got upset that you set the boundary, wanted to end things with you, and eventually you decided you'd had enough.

As I said, sometimes I do NOT comprehend all of what goes on, you're right.  It doesn't mean i'm unintelligent, I'm just kind of behind the 8 ball in getting an overall picture on things at times.  Thanks for re-explaining that it was Ami who originally wanted to continue to talk about things you didn't and that it was she who mentioned terminating the friendship.

Now, Ami, do you agree with Janet, that:

A.)  She told you she was not wanting to discuss the affair with you about 2 weeks ago because it was triggering her?
B.)  That you did not stop trying to discuss it with Janet in spite of her letting you know it was causing her problems?
C.)  That, when Janet tried to stop discussing it, you then attempted to end the friendship with her?
D.)  That, when Janet finally decided to end things, you then posted covertly about someone who ended a friendship with you, meaning "Janet" to the public board (not that i personally have an issue about this, or none of us would ever post about the N's in our lives either. It's a freedom of speech forum)

And now this is for you, Janet:

Do you feel that  you may have violated Ami's privacy, by posting private convos between you and her on the public forum?

Do you feel that might have been seen by Ami as violation of her boundaries to privacy, even though you were no longer friends?

For both of you:

Are you able to see the wrongs in yourselves and possibly forgive each other's trespasses now and part in peace?

~Laura

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #167 on: December 12, 2007, 02:18:00 PM »
Lise,

I know you are relatively new to the board.  I have read you story about what your mother did to you and I am so sorry.  You have really been through some horrible things and I wish you well in your healing.

Many here have said to you that you are not helping Ami by enabling her.  I assume you think you are defending her and that she is being treated unfairly.  But, Lise, Ami really needs to hear this.  I feel that Ami only wants support and does not want to hear critical things even though the critisms may help her.  Lise, when people here tell you that you are enabling Ami's unhealthy, self destructive actions, I hope you will listen or at least give it the benefit of the doubt.

I hope this incident will allow Ami to really look at herself and make some changes.  I want Ami to feel whole and happy.

No, I am not Leah.  

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #168 on: December 12, 2007, 02:22:23 PM »


Ok Janet.  I'm getting it now.  


D.)  That, when Janet finally decided to end things,

~Laura



::spraying coffee alllll over keyboard and computer::

Darnit!

Sorry... Janet and Laura.... I think you two just about have this thing figure out, lol; )


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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #169 on: December 12, 2007, 02:30:47 PM »
Laura,

ONE MORE TIME

"D.)  That, when Janet finally decided to end things, "

I DID NOT END IT - I simply said I wanted no more PMs, and that we should 'converse' on the open forum only. It was AMI who said 'I do not care to be friends'.

I'm not discussing this any more with you, Laura. You seem to have  mental block about understanding this.

Janet

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #170 on: December 12, 2007, 02:38:28 PM »
Unfortunately, I don't think we can get through to Ami.  On past occasions, I have tried to get through to her and make her "see", but I was unsuccessful.  Now that Ami views this as a lynch mob, I assume she is totally turned off from what is being said to her.  I think Ami views this as the group attacking her (and in truth, she is being attacked), BUT, there is so much truth in what people are telling her, but she cannot hear it because she WON'T listen.

There are none so blind as those she will not see and there's none so deaf as those who will not listen.

I truly wish that Ami could just get out of her own way.  Like many of us, she is her own worse enemy.

On the other hand, I also believe that Ami creates so much of her own drama and then swims, paddles, floats and drowns in the sea of her own self created drama.  Ami, I know you refuse to see a therapist because your mother is one and because you spent years in therapy and alonon, but, I believe if you found a GOOD therapist, you could improve so much more rapidly then you have.  Again, you won't listen and you persist in posting self torturing posts full of circular reasoning.

Ami, I know you are not open to this, but I have found that you often rationalize your actions so that what you do is OK.  I think you need to become conscious and aware of what you do and what you say.  As Mudd said, merely tossing out the line about casting the first stone does not justify and make OK the mistakes you made.  We all make mistakes and we all need to be aware of our mistakes and not justify or rationalize our mistakes.  Instead, we should face our mistakes and learn the lesson.

Ami, it does not serve your healing to dig your heels in and accuse everyone of hating and lynching you.  That simply isn't true.  Many here have compassion for you and want to see you heal, but you must be truthful with yourself.  Although you may not want to admit the truth on the board, I hope you will admit the truth to yourself.

And please, find a good therapist to help you.





Dear Gabben/Lise   

Leah is NOT Paps

Leah is NOT Anon123



ONCE AGAIN:   LEAH IS ASKING WITH HER VOICE

WILL YOU STOP WITH YOUR CONTINUAL CRUSADE

YOUR CONTINUAL ATTEMPT TO SABOTAGE MY CHARACTER
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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #171 on: December 12, 2007, 02:39:24 PM »
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Laura,

ONE MORE TIME

"D.)  That, when Janet finally decided to end things, "

I DID NOT END IT - I simply said I wanted no more PMs, and that we should 'converse' on the open forum only. It was AMI who said 'I do not care to be friends'.

I don't care whether you respond to me or not, but i realize that YOU DID NOT ORIGINALLY DECIDE TO END THINGS...however, did you NOT DECIDE TO FINALLY END THINGS WHEN AMI KEPT TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE AFFAIR?  THAT WAS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHEN I SAID "JANET FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINALLY DECIDED TO END THINGS"

YOU, yourself, Janet, told us ALL that you finally had enough and cut off the friendship...that is what I interpreted as you FINALLY DECIDING TO END THINGS.  If that wasn't a final decision to END things, I don't know what you'd call it.  

Ami may have originally said "I do not care to be friends."  I never negated that.  What I AM saying is that you recently decided to finally END things.  GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I HATE TEXT TYPING!  Much prefer in-person or phone calls. UGH

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I'm not discussing this any more with you, Laura. You seem to have  mental block about understanding this.

Janet

As I said, you don't have to discuss anything with me if you choose not to, but I don't appreciate the insults of my not reading things with intelligence and now saying I have a mental block.  Someone with a mental block does not pass with B's through Psychology, Abnormal Psychology, Sociology, 2 Communications classes as well as other things I've done in my life.

My mental ability is just FINE, thanks.

~Laura
 
 
 

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #172 on: December 12, 2007, 02:47:30 PM »
I have refrained from posting to this thread, and I am NOT going to comment on the conflict going on here.  However, I am going to point out several things that disturb me.

1.  Lise, I am disturbed that anytime a new member or anyone posts anonymously that you feel it is Leah.  I don't know what the conflict between you and Leah is, but I don't think it is fair to assume that everyone is Leah just because you disagree with what the poster says.  

2.  Healing is long, painful process.  We all need support, but sometimes we need to hear criticism too.  I have never felt hurt or attacked by anyone who has commented on any of my threads, even when they've said things I didn't think I could do.  I do not see Janet's original post as an attack, but rather her statement of her side of the story, nothing more.  There are lessons that some people could learn from this conflict, but I don't think they'll be learned.  

3.  One of the things that I have learned as I work on my own recovery is that thinking of ourselves as victims is a perpetual circle.  We have to make a conscious effort to stop thinking like a victim and think like a survivor.  The past is past, and the only thing we can do is pick up the pieces and move forward.  Recovery can't be done alone.  We need the support of not only friends, but also people who can tell us when our behavior is not healthy, even if those words are hard to hear.  The best advice anyone ever gave me was to "get out of my parents' lives."  But it took years for me to be able to take that advice.  

4.  Criticism is only an attack if it is meant to hurt.  I don't think most of the criticism I've heard here has been meant to hurt.  It's been meant to be constructive and helpful, unfortunately, not everyone wants to see the criticism for what it is.  Learning to look at things objectively, take what is helpful and discard the rest is a learned art.  I have been reading this thread since it was posted, and I've found the interactions very interesting.

I had one more comment, but I don't think I'll post it.  Sometimes our opinions are best kept to ourselves.
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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #173 on: December 12, 2007, 02:51:44 PM »
Leah,

I wasn't going to post on this thread anymore, but I want to say this to you:  You are a very clear minded, rational person.  I hate to see you be aggravated by Lise's tauntings.  If I may, I suggest you disengage from anyone who seeks to use you as a pin cushion solely to elicit a response from you.  I know you are above that.  I'm sorry Lise thinks I am you, but, I have stated that I am not you.  Leah, your character speaks for itself.  People know who you are and what you stand for.  Please don't take the bait of someone who just seeks to taunt you.  You are made of finer stuff.

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #174 on: December 12, 2007, 02:54:16 PM »
Leah,

I"m not real sure what your issue with me is, but I have every right to type in this forum, until and unless Dr G asks me to leave.  This is a place where everyone has a VOICE, so for you to try and silence me because I'm not turning against someone that you apparently would like me to, is not right.

I understand PLAINLY what both sides are now...Ami doesn't see that what she did was wrong and she feels that people who tell her she did do wrong, are attacking her.

Janet feels that Ami didn't respect her boundaries from the git go, and continued to persist in a convo she did not want part of.  Originally Janet informed Ami that she was being triggered, yet Ami kept on and then told Janet she was going to end the relationship yet they both continued to converse till finally Janet ended it (AS SHE TOLD US SHE DID IN PUBLIC FORUM...that she did not want Ami to pm her anymore...or did I just DREAM that part up of Janet finally telling her it was "over")

Yes, Ami ORIGINALLY told Janet she did not want the relationship, but in the end JANET SAID "ENOUGH" and ALSO said she didn't want the relationship either.  


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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #175 on: December 12, 2007, 02:58:38 PM »
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Tayana,

Lise, I am disturbed that anytime a new member or anyone posts anonymously that you feel it is Leah.  I don't know what the conflict between you and Leah is, but I don't think it is fair to assume that everyone is Leah just because you disagree with what the poster says.



With respect,

To anyone who is presently making wrong assumptions

Please allow my voice to clarify the truth .............


There is no conflict whatsoever between myself and Lise.

Lise's behaviour is of her own choice and free will

Lise made her own decison to set out on her own crusade in her attempt to Sabotage my Character

for the benefit of herself, and for the benefit of her friend Ami, who have formed an unhealthy, enabling pact.

Of whom, it is clearly evidently to all those who can * see * that they are unhealthily enmeshed.


This is the truth -- cannot you not * see *

If not, Why?



And, with respect,

Pastor Laura, I have NO issue with you.

Only the truth what everyone else can * see *


Respectfully,

Leah

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #176 on: December 12, 2007, 03:01:30 PM »
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Leah: Pastor Laura, I have NO issue with you.

Only the truth what everyone else can * see *


Respectfully,

Leah

Good to know. Ditto

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #177 on: December 12, 2007, 03:08:16 PM »
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There is no conflict whatsoever between myself and Lise.

Leah, I'm sorry.  I don't read all the threads on the board, and there's times I don't read for a couple of days, so I often miss things. 

I dislike the way you are being defamed, because I value your opinions.  You've given me good advice, and I always appreciate it.
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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #178 on: December 12, 2007, 03:13:44 PM »
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There is no conflict whatsoever between myself and Lise.

Leah, I'm sorry.  I don't read all the threads on the board, and there's times I don't read for a couple of days, so I often miss things. 

I dislike the way you are being defamed, because I value your opinions.  You've given me good advice, and I always appreciate it.


Dear Tayana,

Humbly, I thank you.

For your gracious support and validation.

Gratefully yours,

Love, Leah

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #179 on: December 12, 2007, 03:19:37 PM »


With respect,

To anyone who is presently making wrong assumptions

Please allow my voice to clarify the truth .............


There is no conflict whatsoever between myself and Lise.

Lise's behaviour is of her own choice and free will

Lise made her own decison to set out on her own crusade in her attempt to Sabotage my Character

for the benefit of herself, and for the benefit of her friend Ami, who have formed an unhealthy, enabling pact.

Of whom, it is clearly evidently to all those who can * see * that they are unhealthily enmeshed.


This is the truth -- cannot you not * see *

If not, Why?



And, with respect,

Pastor Laura, I have NO issue with you.

Only the truth what everyone else can * see *


Respectfully,

Leah






Leah,

I DO have a conflict with you. I feel ashamed by your comments to me and to others that are belittling and shallow. I feel that your behavior here is relational aggression under the guise of the "innocent bystander clause."

I pray that you do not show up on my threads, if and when I am processing some pain, because I know that you will squish me...with a shallow response. However, I tell myself that I'll live with that if she does because I'm not going to censor myself because of Leah.

It seems that you have an unconscious wish to be rescued from the turmoil and seen as the good over the bad, perhaps? Be seen as sane, level headed and "saint like."

 

It is obvious to me, EXTREMELY obvious to be that "dismayed", "observer" and, perhaps others, are you. I will not be fooled. And I will not back down.

I do not like deception, can't stand it.

So,

The Jezebel spirit is in contrast to the will of God. Her will has become god. Her will must be accomplished, regardless of the consequences. Not only did Jezebel steal authority, she manipulated those in leadership. She used lies and distortions. God waits for someone to stand up to her - to confront her.

Many succumb to the Ahab spirit and simply turn their heads from her tactics. They reason that, after all, she is religious and works hard in the Church. The greatest weakness among leaders is the fear of confrontation. They want peace without paying the price of confronting the manipulation and controlling tactics of the Jezebel spirit.