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mighty mouse:
Hi Les and Seeker,
Les, I too can't seem to get the quote thing to work. As it is I needed help from my H to even get the edit options and bold to work.
From you and others on the board it seems that quite a few of these Ns like word/crossword games and such. My NMom is big on Scrabble, Boggle, etc..I wonder if this has any great meaning? Oh well...I hope her response to you about the crossword didn't discourage you from it.
ESL...English as a second language? Forgive my pea brain. From what I've read teaching is actually a good profession for INFPs...teaching children especially. I would think it's mighty difficult without a voice though. Is that getting any better?
Seeker, my Mom is book stupid and people stupid.....she liked to parrot this saying of my Dad's because she knew my sister and I were big readers. Hey no matter that my sister is a PHD (unfortuantely she also has NPD). What a load of crapola that line is. I'm not especially people smart but at least I have empathy and compassion. That puts me ahead of her by a mile. You too have those qualities as is evident in your posts.
Bag the business suit. There are different personality styles for different reasons. There are none better than another. I bet these naysayers enjoy their entertainment (artists, all). And maybe they don't read books but need to. I think my Mom could do with a little reading to expand her world. Then maybe she wouldn't be so narrowminded and critical.
Getting back to Les, I thought the visual of me in a red cape sitting in a posh living room was a hoot. I've got the living room. Now all I need is cape! BTW I own an old car and don't buy new clothes or shoes hardly ever to feed my creativity. Otherwise I couldn't afford it. And I think I will check out the book you recommended. Thanks, you INFP sweetie. And when your Mom calls you F. Brain again...just remember that my moniker is Garlic breath....LOL. Maybe that will trigger laughter and she'll wonder why. Good luck going into the vortex this week.
MM
Anonymous:
Hi you guys,
thanks (!!!) for considering compassion and empathy to be people smartness. I guess Ns would consider it stupid to be able to think about other people instead of only ourselves :? . When I say people stupid I mean politics, which is knowing what I want and how to get it out of other people. Also how to protect myself against bullying and vicious gossip. I just check out. As Linus says in Peanuts: "I love mankind, it's people I can't stand." He had the NLucy as a sister. :shock:
Les, the crossword puzzle exchange reminded me so much of my NSIL. If you like something, she would find a way to burst your bubble with just such a comment as your mother made.
Thanks for the kind words. I really needed them today. Seeker
sjkravill:
Hi all,
Is this conversation still going on? I have been a little out of the loop.
In reading this thread, I noticed how lots are describing themselves as underachievers. I never would have guessed that about any of you. You are all people who I consider wise, articulate, and whose honesty I admire on this board. There is reallly soemthing to be said for being reflective and intentionally learning or at least pursuing how to repair our own broken selves and our relationships. I know people who don't give such things a second thought. The messages our parents give us really stick, though, don't they? If we are never good enough for them, it's hard to evaluate ourselves positively.
That said, I am there with you. Some people probably think I am an overachiever. I think I have them fooled! I actually don't see myself as extremely capeable or free-thinking. I know the discouraging sting of, undercutting comments from parents well enough too.
I am on the beginning of a career path, and I am wondering if it is the right one for me. I wonder what I want, and what I can do. I have questions about the motivation and the wisdom in my choices... I would love to keep hearing from you all on this subject. I can write more later too, if I get brave.
Peace, sjkravill
les:
Do write more Sjkravill! Would really like to hear what's on your mind, what careers you are thinking about. It's great to "flesh out" people - get a sense of people here.. Only recently have I begun to divulge anything about myself - always a listener - but I feel positively "showy" on this board, strutting around, telling people who I am! So go ahead, strut a little.
As a guide I refer to being your " authentic self." Not easy I guess to sort out but if we keep our hearts open to what we like, allow ourselves to breathe, relax, enjoy rather than being the artificial person we had to be... it's one step closer to aligning our careers with our true natures. I confess, it's Friday night and I've had some wine (can you tell MM,) so please excuse all babbling, errors and so forth) I wonder if we need a new acronym PEATMO. Please excuse anything that might offend! We are pretty careful here and I love the respect and care people show. in communicating.
Ok MM you're in trouble! None of that pea brain stuff -and as I typed ESL I thought it would be considerate of me to say what it was but forgot to do it. I live in Toronto -considered the most multicultural city in the world (that sounded like bragging, didn't mean it. PEATMO LOL!) But you are right. -English as a Second Language - it seems that every second person teaches ESL because Immigration is absolutely huge here. Voice is getting better and I do believe in part to the expressing and learning that is happening hear/here. I'm reading Narcissism -A. Lowen right now and he has a case study about a woman who "couldn't get any emotional sound out of her throat. Her throat was closed off." Holy moly -
Well enough about me, let's talk about ...me. - ahhh, the old N joke.
Just realized my quote from the last post didn't include the point - which was to say that our Western culture - by putting such a high value on money, money, high powered business, is in Lowen's estimation sick and Narsicisstic- a round about way of extending my support to you Seeker in taking the road less travelled in your family. Hooray to that! What road are you on. Care to elaborate? Or perhaps you have in other posts and I'm not up to speed.
So MM -do you get the summer off? I am almost done and can't wait to putter around the garden, ride my bike and watch the afternnon sun. - I loved that iimage in one of your posts.
Les
les:
Claris - you started this thread and yet I'm not really sure you've said what you wanted to say. Still there? Want to talk about some of your career issues? I think we would all like to hear more.
You remind me of stories my adult Chinese students tell me about schooling and pressure in China. In fact some of them came to Canada to try to minimize the pressure on their children a bit.
What a trap your mother set. Good to hear you are beginning to open up the leg hold and taking a step.
Les
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