NON-SamV NPD info

[Certain Hope]

It's so rare to find npd info that's not peppered with quotes by the head hoNcho, I just wanted to share this link:

http://www.minddisorders.com/Kau-Nu/Narcissistic-personality-disorder.html

and this excerpt:

PERSONALITY SUBTYPES. Other psychiatrists have noted that patients who meet the DSM-IV-TRcriteria for NPD reflect different clusters of traits within the DSM-IV-TRlist. One expert in the field of NPD has suggested the following subcategories of narcissistic personalities:

Craving narcissists. These are people who feel emotionally needy and undernourished, and may well appear clingy or demanding to those around them.

Paranoid narcissists. This type of narcissist feels intense contempt for him- or herself, but projects it outward onto others. Paranoid narcissists frequently drive other people away from them by hypercritical and jealous comments and behaviors.

Manipulative narcissists. These people enjoy "putting something over" on others, obtaining their feelings of superiority by lying to and manipulating them.

Phallic narcissists. Almost all narcissists in this subgroup are male. They tend to be aggressive, athletic, and exhibitionistic; they enjoy showing off their bodies, clothes, and overall "manliness."

[Bella_French]

Yay for non-SamV information about NPD!

Thanks Carolyn; I don't think I come across much outside of Sam Vaknin either.

X bella

[Certain Hope]

lol... I know! It's rare, Bella. Thanks     I used to have a couple other good sites bookmarked, but when I gave my old pc to son, we wiped out all the favs so he could have a fresh start. One of these days, I'll run across them again, I hope.

I hope you're having a good tomorrow, Bella 

Love,
Carolyn

[Bella_French]

Lol, Carolyn, Want to know what the lotto numbers are? lol. I wish I could do that, living a day ahead.

X Bella

[Certain Hope]

   ((((Leah))))  thank you!

I hope you have an excellent day, too.

Love,
Carolyn



Here's another npd info source from Mayo Clinic, including:
 Introduction
Signs and symptoms
Causes
Risk factors
When to seek medical advice
 Screening and diagnosis
Complications
Treatment
Prevention
Self-care 

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652

[Leah]

Thanks Carolyn,

Not come across Mayo Clinic site.

Thanks ever so much.   

Love, Leah

[Leah]

Carolyn,

Has to be the best Signs and Symptoms listing yet.  Realistic in everyday life encounters, and experience with NPD FOO and XH.

Thanks again, for posting it up.

Leah


http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=2

Signs and symptoms

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

   Believing that you're better than others

   Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness

   Exaggerating your achievements or talents
 
   Expecting constant praise and admiration

   Believing that you're special

   Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings

   Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans

   Taking advantage of others

   Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior

   Being jealous of others

   Believing that others are jealous of you

   Trouble keeping healthy relationships

   Setting unrealistic goals

   Being easily hurt and rejected

   Having a fragile self-esteem

   Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional



Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others.

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may also seek out others you think have the same special talents, power and qualities — people you see as equals. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.

But underneath all this grandiosity often lies a very fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.

[Hermes]

Hello to all:

Perhaps the most salient aspect of NPD (and this was said to me by a psychiatrist friend).  The N has to make "the other" feel bad in order for the N him or herself feel good.  It IS like a drug, they need that supply, it doesn't matter if it comes in the form of "the other"s adoration, hate, dislike, anger.  Just as long as it is supply.  Of course, as time progresses within the "relationship" (entirely the wrong word in N world!) the need for the supply gets stronger and more of it is needed, so the NPD makes "the other" feel worse and worse, suffer more and more.


Hermes

[Hermes]

Sounds horribly familiar, doesn't it?
Hermes


In The Mask of Sanity Cleckley introduced sixteen behavioral characteristics of a psychopath that he derived from clinical interviews and other corroborating sources.[5]

Superficial charm and good intelligence
Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
Absence of nervousness or psychoneurotic manifestations
Unreliability
Untruthfulness and insincerity
Lack of remorse and shame
Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love
General poverty in major affective reactions
Specific loss of insight
Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations
Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink and sometimes without
Suicide rarely carried out
Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated
Failure to follow any life plan

[Leah]

Hermes & Carolyn,


"The Mask of Insanity" by Cleckley, and "Without a Conscience" by Robert Hare

are informative and awareness raising, with    particularly, Robert Hare also writes about recognizing the traits in adolescence, i.e. anti-social behaviour, etc.

~ ~ ~

I have found the following website interesting, particularly, the dialogue, and it has a few resources at the bottom of the page.

What is it that defines psychopathic personality?

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/mind/s511461.htm


Isn't life fun!  Leah x

[Certain Hope]

Sounds horribly familiar, doesn't it?
Hermes

Yes, indeed.

That description of Cleckly's fits my ex-husband exactly.

Thanks, Hermes.



Thank you, Leah... and you're welcome... lol. I am skimming bits in between getting ready for work, but will be sure to do a more thorough reading later, including of the link you posted.  There was still another site which I've not yet re-located... seems like it was a university website... which had some excellent info. Hope to run across it again and add it here. Surely does take some digging to uncover a non-Sam view/exposition on the topic, but well worth the effort, I'd say.

Love,
Carolyn

[Hermes]

Thought I would post this up.  Dr. Otto Kernberg is one of the main names in the study of PDs.
   
"""Narcissism - Otto Kernberg: Encyclopedia II - Narcissism - The Narcissist and his family
Narcissism - An integrative framework. "For very young children, self-esteem is probably best thought to consist of deep feelings of being loved, accepted, and valued by significant others rather than of feelings derived from evaluating oneself against some external criteria, as in the case of older children. Indeed, the only criterion appropriate for accepting and loving a newborn or infant is that he or she has been born. The unconditional love and acceptance experienced in the first year or two of life lay the ...

   
Narcissism - Otto Kernberg: Encyclopedia II - Narcissism - The dynamics of narcissism
Narcissism - Primitive defense mechanisms. Narcissism is a defense mechanism related to the splitting defense mechanism. The Narcissist fails to regard other people, situations, or entities (political parties, countries, races, his workplace) as a compound of good and bad elements. He either idealises his object, or devalues it. Things are seen in black and white; the object is either all good or all bad. The bad attributes are always projected, displaced, or otherwise externalised. The good ones are internalised ...

 
 
http://www.experiencefestival.com/narcissism_-_otto_kernberg


 
 

[Leah]

Thank you, Hermes

Otto Kernberg's writings on Narcissism, and also Karen Horney's both of which, I have discovered, only fairly recently.

Things are seen in black and white; the object is either all good or all bad. The bad attributes are always projected, displaced, or otherwise externalised. The good ones are internalised ...

Sadly, that so relates to my NPD XH.

Sad for him as a person, truly, however, it was hellish for me to live with.

Love, Leah

[Leah]

many thanks Hermes,

your website signposting has led me to an author,with much sought after, liberating truth and reality.

Truly grateful,

Love, Leah

[Hermes]

Aggression in Personality Disorders and Perversions (Paperback)
by Otto Kernberg

"Kernberg brings his clinical acumen and unique blend of ego psychology and object relations to bear upon the problem of aggression, particularly rage and its cognitively higher-level manifestation as hatred, in severe personality disorders."