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Ami

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N Behavior
« on: February 17, 2008, 10:13:34 AM »
I am very angry and I am going to express it. Carolyn chose the moment when I was the weakest,in my entire ,life to "work" out her feelings of "judging" people i.e. judging ME for my son's suicide. She told me that she "could not offer me a condolonce"  b/c she was "judging".
 Then, after other people intervening, she said that she "didn't realize" that she was being hurtful.
  I want to say that that was N behavior. I am not saying Carolyn is an N. I am saying that an N gets you when you are down and has NO empathy.
 THAT was  N behavior and I am going to say it right out.
 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 10:29:33 AM »
Ami,

I will try to be glad for you - - and I will try to look at this as though expressing your anger at me may help you along in your healing.

On the other hand, there is not a single person here who has not exhibited N behavior, Ami. Not a single one, including yourself.
I have never rubbed your nose in your own poor behavior, Ami.  If I had some tragic event befall me, would I then have the right to do that?

I have apologized to you, Ami, for my boorish, insensitive, self-seeking approach to this. What I thought was an honest confession which could bring a deeper understanding, freedom, and intimacy - - well, I was totally wrong, especially in my timing.

There are no perfect people.

Carolyn


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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 10:32:29 AM »
WHY did you wait ALL this time, Carolyn, to work out your issues? Doesn't it seem a little strange,maybe "not " so simple, would you say?
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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 10:38:11 AM »
WHY did you wait ALL this time, Carolyn, to work out your issues? Doesn't it seem a little strange,maybe "not " so simple, would you say?

I don't know, Ami.

You make it sound like I deliberately planned to feel the way I do. Do you deliberately plot your feelings? My error was not in feeling as I did, but in expressing it publicly. I see that. But you've never indicated a bit of concern for me, whatsoever, and so it never occurred to me that something I would feel or express would hurt you.

I've only been able to even recognize my feelings for a short while now. And now I feel like you get to sit way high up on your own throne of judgment because I'm expected to have all my ducks in a row, unlike you - who are allowed to be handicapped.




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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 10:48:00 AM »
Dear Ami,

Yes, it is true, none of us are perfect, myself included.  Yet, that does not excuse any behavior or lack of accountability. It does not

It is NO excuse for blatantly using someone, a woman, a mother in her early stages of grief, as an object, to work through some self absorbed need of working out from being "judgemental" etc etc - and whatever other self absorbed needs.

Where was the consideration of another?  

I resonate with the outpouring from your heart, Ami, indeed I do, for I identity, as I too, was an object, for a purpose, then discarded.  And all the rest is plain to * see * as those in silence * see * also, of which I know. 

I am going to speak openly and honestly only about what has taken place on the board, and can therefore be verified, by the postings themselves:

In all honesty, I was shocked that an outwardly professing "Bible" Christian would treat another Christian like that -- yet experience tells me, that this does happen.  However, what would Jesus do ?

I was shocked:   that the days - weeks - prior to your sad loss -- every day Carolyn was posting with Bible Scriptures to you, in constant flow of posts to you -- giving "support" to you in your healing.

Then you had your sudden sad loss -- and you were "cut-off"

Carolyn judged and decided in her action - or none.

I have apologized to you, Ami, for my boorish, insensitive, self-seeking approach to this. What I thought was an honest confession which could bring a deeper understanding, freedom, and intimacy - - well, I was totally wrong, especially in my timing.

How anyone can use a mother in the early stages of grief for the purpose of working out a self-absorbed need -- is a revelation.


Ami, your voice is valid. 

Leah x
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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 11:01:45 AM »
Leah,

Your own pathologies are coming through loudly and clearly here.


Ami,

The twists with which Leah is attempting to spin my behavior are totally false. 

I was not trying to work out some self-absorbed need in confessing to you my prior feelings.
I was trying to confess to you my own lack and tell you that I sincerely am deeply sorry for your loss.
That is all.

And Leah,

I have not attempted to rub your nose in your own N behaviors and I will not begin now. I backed off from interaction with you when I witnessed the manner in which you treated newcomers to the board and I completely stopped interacting with you when you refused to respond to my subsequent questions re: your behavior to me. I don't know whether that was right or wrong, but it was the best I knew to do.

Ever since I apologized to Ami, you have consistently sought to bash me to her. I don't know how you could possibly see anyone else, with all the logs in your own eye.

Carolyn


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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 11:05:35 AM »
Carolyn,

Pathological Lies -- ALL of it.

Projection.

Leah


PS >  The only newcomer that I have ever had a problem with at FIRST was Hermes

Someone sent me a PM with a warning.

However, I resolved that -- with Hermes.
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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 11:09:56 AM »

Carolyn,

Pathological Lies -- ALL of it.

Leah

Leah,

You're seeing the inside of your eyelids, not me.

I wish you the best, but I will not engage with you further. I stopped before for valid reason and will not resume.

Carolyn

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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 11:13:58 AM »


Carolyn,

Projection.

It was I -- that stopped communication with you.

I can verify.

Leah
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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 11:28:28 AM »
That is a boundary which I am setting for the sake of my own emotional wellbeing.

That is exactly the reason for my dis-engaging from you, Carolyn.

Here is my posting on this thread.....

I am going to speak openly and honestly only about what has taken place on the board, and can therefore be verified, by the postings themselves:

In all honesty, I was shocked that an outwardly professing "Bible" Christian would treat another Christian like that -- yet experience tells me, that this does happen.  However, what would Jesus do ?

I was shocked:   that the days - weeks - prior to your sad loss -- every day Carolyn was posting with Bible Scriptures to you, in constant flow of posts to you -- giving "support" to you in your healing.

Then you had your sudden sad loss -- and you were "cut-off"

Carolyn judged and decided in her action - or none.

I have apologized to you, Ami, for my boorish, insensitive, self-seeking approach to this. What I thought was an honest confession which could bring a deeper understanding, freedom, and intimacy - - well, I was totally wrong, especially in my timing.

How anyone can use a mother in the early stages of grief for the purpose of working out a self-absorbed need -- is a revelation.
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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 11:34:22 AM »
Wow...I hadn't read this exchange.  Oh, how I dislike it when we hurting people hurt people.

Last month when I was so sad and so down I had many people jump on me....it really pushed me off the edge.....

Be careful people.  Sometimes people are REALLY hurting and need a little compassion until they get on their feet!
Kelly

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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2008, 11:34:45 AM »
Ami,

If you want to repeatedly tell me how angry you are, I will repeatedly tell you how sorry I am for hurting you. I am willing to do that.

If you want me to not post to you again, I will honor that.

There is nothing else I can do.

You get the benefit of the doubt in this, as far as I'm concerned,

but

I will not sit back and take abuse from another poster on this board who is twisting the truth

and trying to use your valid gripe against me to punish me for her own warped reasons.
 
That is abuse, and if it continues, I will ask Dr. Grossman to intervene.

That is a boundary which I am setting for the sake of my own emotional wellbeing.

Carolyn
 

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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2008, 11:36:18 AM »
Hi everybody,

This thread will be locked at the end of the day (Eastern time).

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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2008, 11:40:05 AM »

>   I note that you have deleted your post # 9....... to move it down one!!!


That is a boundary which I am setting for the sake of my own emotional wellbeing.

That is exactly the reason for my dis-engaging from you, Carolyn.

Here is my posting on this thread.....

I am going to speak openly and honestly only about what has taken place on the board, and can therefore be verified, by the postings themselves:

In all honesty, I was shocked that an outwardly professing "Bible" Christian would treat another Christian like that -- yet experience tells me, that this does happen.  However, what would Jesus do ?

I was shocked:   that the days - weeks - prior to your sad loss -- every day Carolyn was posting with Bible Scriptures to you, in constant flow of posts to you -- giving "support" to you in your healing.

Then you had your sudden sad loss -- and you were "cut-off"

Carolyn judged and decided in her action - or none.

I have apologized to you, Ami, for my boorish, insensitive, self-seeking approach to this. What I thought was an honest confession which could bring a deeper understanding, freedom, and intimacy - - well, I was totally wrong, especially in my timing.

How anyone can use a mother in the early stages of grief for the purpose of working out a self-absorbed need -- is a revelation.
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Re: N Behavior
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2008, 11:45:41 AM »
Hi everybody,

This thread will be locked at the end of the day (Eastern time).

Richard

Thank you, Dr. Grossman.

Carolyn