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gjazz

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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2008, 02:01:57 PM »
For what it's worth, I agree with you, Ami, that the initial interaction was an attack.  And that this PM is more of the same.  To the extent that exploring it and your response helps you, I say go for it.  It IS a lesson in voicelessness and overcoming that.  But I can see Hops' side too, about hitting the delete button, blocking, whatever.  Let me explain this way: in my profession (which happens to be book publishing, though the term also relates to TV and film) there's something called "opportunity cost."  OC is defined as the opportunities lost by focusing editorial/marketing/publicity dollars on a specific project.  It sounds bass-akwards, but if we publish book A, it means not publishing book B, which may have done better, been more beneficial.  Beneficial, in book publishing, means money.  Here, beneficial means something much more important: your mental health and well-being.  We all have limited stores of energy and time.  You can choose to engage A, or you can choose to engage B, or C, or D.  IF IT WERE ME (and I KNOW it's not), I'd send all future messages of this nature straight to the trash unread, just as I would a manuscript that has no potential for positive result (no, no, I don't really trash them, that's metaphorical).  For me, it comes down to: do I really have this kind of time, or should I spend it elsewhere?  That's not negating the hurt you feel, it's moving beyond what you cannot control (incoming manuscripts!) to what you can (sorry we can't work together, better luck elsewhere). 

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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2008, 02:23:22 PM »
Leah and Hops,

Yes I have to agree with you.  I have just recently went through an experience in (real life) with a conflict between friends.
They both voiced to me. 

Lesson learned was from  being on this board.   I choose not to engage.  It was not my conflict.  I simply shut the conversation down. This was my boundary and I enforced it.  I don't know who was right or who was wrong but it was not up to me to fix it. There were hurts and pain and anger on both sides.  They are both my friends and I could not hear one talk about the other to me with me.  This felt like a betrayal on my end to engage in conversation with them about them.  It would be a conflict of interest.  I liked both parties. I am on a personal level with both.

I did learn that if something is uncomfortable or abusive to you that shutting down the conversation has nothing to do with shutting down your voice or feelings.  It's just enforcing that strong boundary and choosing not to engage.

And your right Leah, such is life, always challenges and lessons to be learned.  Sometimes very painful.

Love
Deb

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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2008, 02:37:01 PM »
Ami,
Your initial post that struck me was the one about your friend hearing your husband talking with Scott about suicide before the sad occurrence. My point was that no one stepped in and dealt with Scott’s talking suicide. If it didn’t mean what I took it for, then an explanation  would have saved a lot of typing.

(I had a woman come to me, saying she was going to kill herself. I telephoned 9-1-1, after discussing it with her and an ambulance came for her, took her to the psych ward. Her medications, doled out by the son and daughter-in-law, who professed to hate her, were adjusted and she became well again. She left them and went back to her friends in Europe. She escaped her tormentors, and lived)

That is what I meant by saying he could have been saved. However the situation spun out of control and it ended, becoming, to you, the upset from the board interaction.

I have so little to post about these days that I was thinking of leaving the board anyway. I was being of no assistance to those still in Contact with the N., because my belief is to stop contact and heal. Perhaps it is because you continue contact with your mother that it I find it irritating that you still complain about her. This interaction gave me a good reason to leave without just dropping off the map, a la changing.

I was asked to stay, although I thank those who asked, I still had little to say, but then received fewer responses. Hopalong is the only one who had interceded for you, while out of place in that episode, and still posted to me. The others stopped, so I knew they had nothing more to say to me. One of your fans, gjazz doesn't even know me and has chosen to ignore me.

I still read posts, not just yours, but yours were the only ones that kept referring to the interaction on the board. I knew they were little digs and jabs, but they finally stopped.  I felt you had finally put it behind.

Then I posted a note about the now very pleasant understanding with my DD and  I know you must have read my post, or at least seen the thread, because the little digs and jabs appeared again. You are the instigator this time, as I sent you a Private Message to spell it out and if I were wrong about this, to then please excuse me.

In your desire to further cause me to be isolated on this board, you made it public. I note someone pointed out about your being talkative and at that point you had an average of quite a number of posts per day--I see now it is  18?

Check your posts and you will see how many people have caused your stomach pains, and now it is my fault. If the little nigs and jabs continue, then look at your own thoughts.

(Hopalong: You have begun very few threads recently and I have responded to you; in particular your being blue thread. I think of you as a very special person, deserving of more than you are receiving.  So your remark about my not talking to you is erroneous.)

My post about my DD mentioned that with much patience, persistence and hurt we have finally met in the middle of the road, to continue on together. I have a deep respect for her, but just saying it, does not make it so. It must be shown. It's the same with Love and with Friendship. The good ones in our lives stick with us through thick and thin...and some people just serve as a bad example.

Respectfully
Izzy

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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2008, 02:45:05 PM »
Hey Izz,
I wasn't referring to you not talking to me. (Another person.)
I don't think we've ever been estranged.

Sorry if my piping into this hasn't been helpful.
I know you got triggered. But I will stay out of it now.

Sometimes more voices add oxygen to fire.

Thanks for the kind words.
Back atya.

xo
Hops

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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2008, 03:21:57 PM »
Well Iz-i am sad you do not mention me as friend and supporter.  I love you and I love Am.  Each of us is in a different place in our recovery-and we have different dynamics.  Am and I have horrible N moms and no one knows pict these emotional vampires have taken from us.  We think we are doing ok and then something triggers us.  I understand having my body hurt.  This death of her child had to be the worst and when someone is mourning they deserve some time to process and be irrational if neede
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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2008, 03:31:08 PM »
Thank you for clearing that up, Hops,

I appreciate it. Sad to say that anyone else speaking up is not helpful to me. If Ami could respond in a adult and calm manner, no one else is needed.

Love ya
Izzy

and Overcomer

My sincere apologies for neglecting to mention you. You were not on this thread and I forgot, with the posts I have deleted, but could have run through the names, then remembered. I am sorry about your having an N mother. I remember this from my very beginning.... and the business. You are trying so hard to break free and I applaud you for that.  We each break free in our own way.
I am amazed at the parallels in my DD's life and mine!

Love and Good Luck
Izzy
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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2008, 03:44:22 PM »
Oh Iz,

I am sorry if you feel, felt that I was avoiding you.  I really am not.  I have been reading and posting and having anxiety attacks looking up health issues in between.  My mind is all over the place sometimes.

Talk about a lesson learned.  I learned not to look up anything on the net because you will surely go from nothing to 4 days left to live.

Love
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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2008, 03:45:12 PM »
Interesting, bean--I can only respond for myself, and I have no desire to control anyone.  Nor do I delude myself into thinking I can.  I see these boards as a place to go to bounce ideas and experiences off other people.  This is why I post, when I do, and I assume people take what good they can from it, if anything, and ignore the rest.

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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2008, 03:55:10 PM »
No worries, bean.  Hugs back to you!  (Do you know I just realized what those parentheses are for??)  I'm a slow one!  LOL.

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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2008, 04:13:28 PM »
Ami -- Just wanted to say that I hear your pain over this situation -- I'm sorry this happening to you. When are hurting and want someone to defend us, which is only natural and human, advice can come across as feeling belittling and "fixing it" rather than allowing you to feel the pain and have your feelings acknowledged with compassion.

The fact is that you have been unfairly attacked and it hurts -- you do not deserve it.

Love,
Lise

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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2008, 04:24:45 PM »
Izzy,
 You have targeted me for abuse b/c of YOUR own issues.  I am SORRY for your issues, but I am not your pin cushion. I don't want to engage with you in any form.
         Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2008, 04:47:32 PM »
Dear Bean,
  I will not accept Izzy's abuse any more. That is what this thread is about for me.
                                                                                Love  Ami

PS When I am attacked out of the blue and people who care for me try to help, it is NOT unwanted intereference. It is LOVE.
To the people who are saying "Let Izzy and me work it out. This is making the abuser and the one abused  EQUAL.
IMO, The abuser ,Izzy ,is the abuser. Period. If you saw s/one beaten up on the street would you feel sympathy for the bully? I know this is saying it "straight",but I want to say it straight ,FINALLY.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 10:58:50 PM by Ami »
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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2008, 04:53:40 PM »
Thanks Bean
 You got it.   Love  Ami
« Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 05:07:28 PM by Ami »
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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2008, 05:18:31 PM »
Dear Bean                                                                                                                                                                                               All I want now is NO interaction in ANY form or WAY with Izzy. I cared when she attacked me the FIRST time that she  would be at a loss if she left the board.
 I don't care what she does or where she goes as long as she stays away from me.              Ami
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Re: This is the E mail I got
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2008, 05:40:46 PM »

((((((( Ami ))))))))

My heart truly goes out to you, a mother, still grieving, should not have to endure this, not at all, and most especially, not here.

As always, you are in my prayers.

Making ones own personal boundary clearly known, is always the best thing to do, for ones own personal emotional well being.

One can only ever be responsible and accountable for oneself.

Take care of you,

Love, Leah
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