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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2004, 06:32:54 PM »
Only Me,

We love you. You are so very, very special. I'm sorry they hurt you so bad. It's a real shame -- shame, shame, shame. But you are so much better than they are, so kind, smart, sweet and kind. We like you a lot  :D

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2004, 10:38:48 PM »
Hi Onlyme,

I remember how astounded I was to find this board!  In the short time I have been here I've grown so much stronger. One thing I did was to imagine "the board" being with me when I saw or talked to my mother. A little odd I admit but it worked! May the board be with you Onlyme.  I am happy to hear that you are taking some baby steps.

Reading about you going to the library and not being around for the phone call -YES! It is a small step but those first steps can feel huge.  

I bought a few books this summer on children of N's. One book was -"Emotional Incest" - Patricia Love I think. She talked a bit about the extra burden the only child carries with an N parent.

Hope to hear more about those baby steps. It reminds me of the children's game "Mother may I?" "Take 2 baby steps." etc. So maybe it's time for a new game! "Mother I'm taking!"....as many giant steps as I need too!

Les

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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2004, 01:00:44 PM »
I have to go to spend three days of penance ( ! )  by visiting  nm to help her with the adjustment to living on her own alone, take her shopping for fall clothes, etc etc etc.  She fancies herself to be an 85yr old fashion plate, so it is quite the experience.  A Supreme N.

Thank you for the idea Les : I'll take the power of The Board with me!
I have been building up my strength by reading the experiences of everyone, and so many I could have written myself.   I waste so many days before going to visit nm, preparing my clothes ( I never seem to wear the right thing), packing tons of stuff I never wear, but take just in case - and I don't sleep very well in advance, preparing myself for all the jabs at who I am.  Most of all, I find it hard to spend that much time with someone who does not 'see' me at all - it is all about her, and I could have three heads, and she would only talk about how it reflects badly on her image...  I never seem to even be able to say a complete sentence.  By the time I get in the car to come home, I am drained, and want to scream  "Can anyone See Me?!!  Can anyone Hear Me?!  Or should I just kill myself now, because what difference would it make?!!"   So for the 4hour drive home, I try to talk to myself, try to remember that I have a dear H who loves and needs and values me.  And, just to cover all the bases, I listen to Gospel music while I'm driving, because a small voice in me thinks that she is Evil, the Devil evil.  I drag myself home.  It takes days and days of licking my wounds before I get my strength back again.  I pull into myself and build myself back up.
Why go through all of this, you ask? and rightly so?
Because she has no other living relative who can do it.  She has no siblings, nor do I, and I guess I am duty-bound.

And so it goes.  The roller-coaster ride. - as long as she is on this earth.

But, this time will be different (don't we always hope??!)
This time, I am taking The Board's support with me - and I will picture all of you standing beside and behind me - and I will stand with more strength than ever before.  It is so energizing to know that there are others like me, who have fought for a voice, who have fought just to be seen, and who understand and believe that what I have experienced, and am experiencing, is The Truth.  
Whew.  That alone gives me Strength - and I thank you all.

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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2004, 01:21:22 PM »
Keep your chin up, "Only Me"-
You certainly have my support.  I know exactly what you're going through.  My Nmother is 88 years old and every time I go to see her at the nursing home I can hardly wait to get out of there.  I am the only one she has too, so I have to be her support.  She is totally together mentally, so she is still quite capable of pushing my buttons, and, boy, does she push. (buttons she created in the first place, so she knows exactly where they are.)  I am so torn, knowing that she does have aging issues which are quite frightening to her, and I want to always be able to address that, but sometimes it is very hard to see through all the manipulations and control attempts to the actual needs she does have at that stage of her life.  God knows, we all will go through that in our lives when we are old and need for others to be aware of the problems we will face, and I hope we will have kind people around us .  It is so hard to to step back and be detached enough to help out with her actual needs without being sucked back in to that crazy behavior pattern at the same time.  It is very draining, at the very least.  One has to be on guard at all times.  I wish you the best- please know you have our support.  Try, as I do, to look at your mom as if she is just another crazy old lady who belongs to someone else's family, so you can see she really doesn't have any power anymore- she is just a fussing, feeble old thing who is a pain in the ass to everyone, not just to you. Good luck.

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2004, 01:53:28 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2004, 09:06:07 PM »
Thanks, tigerlily and Moonflower !

I'll hang on to your thoughts as I head out for my few days with nm.  
I think I'll take some knitting with me, so I can pretend I need to watch each stitch, and not have to look at those beady eyes as much.  Those knitted dishcloths require constant attention!

And, you're right, she is just a crazy little old lady who just happened to give birth to me (and keeps reminding me that she really wanted a boy instead, grrrrrr).

I'll take this group with me in spirit.
I am so thankful that I am no longer alone,
and I now know you'll all be here when I get back home.  Whew.
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2004, 02:47:52 PM »
Here's an update!

For the first time in my life, I have spent time with nM and not returned completely suicidal.
I took the strength and wisdom that you have given me, and it kept me strong.  The biggest thing I learned is that a Narcissist FEEDS off our emotions, whether Negative or Positive.  With that knowledge in the back of my mind, this time was different : this time I did not allow her the satisfaction of seeing that she was killing me with her verbal abuse, and her total indifference.  This time, I did not let her see any of my frustrations, so she could not Feed On Me!  It worked amazingly well.  
Of course, I am drained by having to be on my toes for the entire three days, because, as we all know only too well, we can never be competely prepared for the horrific things that they will do.   We are never safe in the company of a N, so we must stay in Fight or Flight Mode - so I am very tired, today.  But, my baby steps towards firming up some personal boundaries now include not giving her the satisfaction of seeing my pain.   My NM can Feed Somewhere Else!

You have all helped so much, that I now feel safe enough to formally join the group.  Couldn't have survived the past three days without you all.
Our voices are strong, after all.
~ OnlyMe

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2004, 04:44:23 PM »
Hi Only Me,

you wrote:

My NM can Feed Somewhere Else!

Good for you!! You can be very proud of yourself. Just keep working on accepting your NM for what she is and how she'll never change and how what she says really isn't about you - it's about her. Then you can slowly not be affected so much by her baloney. In fact maybe you should visualize her as a big Ocsar Mayer wiener (or whiner as they usually are).
lol

N

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2004, 04:45:16 PM »
Good job OnlyMe.

You may be only taking baby steps, but it a great beginning. Soon you will be taking strides.  Try to keep your face impassive when Nmom tries to push your buttons, and redirect the conversation.  If she refuses, then tell her you forgot something, or have to make a phone call,  then walk out of the room until you regain some strength.  

I know my Nmom would say something hurtful and eye me intently gauging my reaction.   These Nparents seem to do that.  We react, and they receive their perverse pleasure.  Try to remember, your mom is a little old lady, albeit an evil Nar.  Old and frail, she has lost her real power to hurt you, like she did when you were a child.  Back then you could not walk away from her, you could not speak back.  At least, not without extreme consequences.  Now you have a voice.

Next time you go see your Nmom, remember that you now have the power.  By that time, I want you to believe it.   You have the power to just walk away, or at least make her believe that, if she can't treat you with more respect.  

My Nmom used to belittle me about my weight.  Yeah, I was a whole 20 lbs overweight at that time.  But, she loved making little snide comments.  I dunno what got into me one day, but I had just had enough.  I had stopped by to pick up my daughter on the way home from work. I was in uniform, (nars don't like authority) when I made full eye contact.  I firmly told her if she mentioned my weight again, I would never come back to her house again. She didn't like that one bit,  but she never brought up my weight again.  She still got at me in a round about way, losing weight until she was a skeleton, and bragging how thin she was.  But, that was better than her "innocently" asking if my pants were getting too tight.  :evil:  

When an Nmom gets old and frail, and especially when she has no spouse, the power shifts to the now adult child.  She needs you now, though she would never admit it.  Do you need her?  No, in fact you would be worlds better if you could stay completely away form her negative influences.  Deep down I think our Nmoms know they have lost their power, but of course, none will admit to it.  So they try to exert themselves verbally, keeping us in reign.  

You might want to start cutting your visits to Nmom shorter.  Three days in hell is way too long.  Let her bitch if she doesn't like it.  It is not like she can do anything about it.  You now have the power.  If she says something very hurtful, tell her to stop or you won't coming back.   Try to back that up if you can.  It might take a couple of little separations to make her see you are serious.   Remember, she is a willful little child now.  

Be wise to Nmom's manipulations, and don't reward her antics.  Do not feel guilty if you don't want to talk to her on the phone.  Do not feel guilty if you don't visit as often, or for as long.  These Nmom's want you to feel guilty, that is how they control you.  I think everyone on this board knows that.  Don't buy into those guilt trips anymore.  

You did good OnlyMe, and next time you will do even better.  Knowlege is power.  You know what your Nmom is now, and what her agenda is.   You are stronger for it.  Believe that, and be well.

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2004, 04:48:30 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2004, 06:54:31 PM »
Hooray Onlyme!! That is such great news and it is so encouraging for people to read. Yes!! It can be done. We can detach. We can reclaim ourselves and clamp off the blood supply.

I see my mother once a week to help her with shopping etc. I used to actually scream all the way home from her place afterwards (must have really terrified the other drivers on the road -talk about road rage) Now I don't scream. I don't need to (well, ok, sometimes I do) I am in the
" driver's" seat most of the time I'm with my  mother now - I deal with the situations calmly and firmly and don't take the bait.  

Today she was going on and on about her friend's son who just can't do enough for his poor dear mother - he is a saint, flies in from Australia twice a week - (impossible, of course, but my mother will use anything to drive home her point), attends to his mother's every need and is just desperate about her well being etc etc. I hear this story and other similar ones all the time. Today I called her on it. She was saying that maybe she should go in a home so she wouldn't be a bother to me ( with just the right mix of poor me and bad neglectful you) I told her that the problem was not the shopping, doctors' appts. etc. but the constant guilt trips like the above that she lays on me.  I think she is chewing on that one!  I said it like I knew exactly what I was talking about with no self-doubt or hesitation.  I said it like a grounded healthy person and by god it worked!

I liked your comments about power and control Moonflower.  Yes - don't reward their antics. Don't buy into the the guilt trips.  It can be done!!

Les

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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2004, 11:05:42 AM »
The guilt trips are never-ending, it seems.  
We are expected to be perfect, so that we reflect back perfection to them, but of course, it is impossible to be perfect because 1) we're human, after all and 2) if we were perfect, then they wouldn't be The Best!  A no-win situation.  
But there is a little voice inside me that still wants my nM's love and approval, Drat!  And, yes, I always hear the criticism in what is said, or worse, what is not said!  And isn't our appearance important?  Apparently I wear my clothes way too baggy.  And the reason I do, I now realize, is so that nM's beady little eyes can't see every inch of me.   She is a conservative, classic style person whereas I was a flower child way back when - our styles have never been the same, much to her disdain.  When I arrive to see her, I have always been slowly scanned from head to toe, literally, and there is always something terribly wrong with my appearance, apparently.  So, since puberty, which was ages ago, I have worn loose clothes, so that the beady little eyes can't see everything.  Safer that way.  Now, when I take her shopping, because she is an 85yr old clothes horse, she manages to circle the sales ladies around me, and gets them to support her critism that my skirts are way too long, and my tops are way too baggy - and that I should be buying something form-fitting, and of course they'd be crazy to miss a sale, so they all tell me that my attire is entirely inappropriate for my figure, and so nM has tons of support proving to me that I am not perfect.  Last month, I let her buy me a skirt that she liked, and I wore it the past weekend, with a long top over it, and she just had to buy me the Right Jacket (which is long, whew) to match!  Now, hahaha, I have a complete outfit - gee, that worked out okay, after all.
But, then, it seems that I have two wrinkles on my upper lip that are driving her crazy.  She is trying to put gobs of cream on them!  My dear H said he hadn't even noticed them, nor had I!  It's always something, isn't it?  
I just can't imagine what it would be like to have a mother who was supportive and kind.  Instead, I am stuck with a lying, cruel, back-stabbing two-faced manipulator!
It helps to know I am not alone!  
and getting stronger, thanks to this group!!
Whew.
~ OnlyMe

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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2004, 08:54:41 PM »
Well OnlyMe - there are striking similarities here! One of my mother's favorite remarks used to be, "Why do you have to dress like a refugee!" Then many years later I actually worked with refugees and still do, so  I was able to tell my mother that I don't dress like a refugee - they dress far better than I do! I also understand the "baggy" clothes thing.  For me, among other things, my clothes are a little extra protection from her.  I don't know if you meant it quite that way and I only recently realized that I sometimes put on an extra layer when I'm going to see her.  I'm 54 (she's 91) and I have "puppet face" -"What's that! she said, with some disgust, poking at the slack skin at the corners of my mouth. As a young woman she was a "pocket venus." Well, I didn't even come close much to her ever lasting chagrin.  Being told that I look like I've been run over with a steamroller may not have enhanced my self-image much either!

So how to defuse these classically dressed mothers! Here is something I clipped from the newspaper  awhile ago.

"Infinite toil would not enable you to sweep away a mist: but by ascending a little (picture of head poking through the clouds/mist) you may often look over it altogether. So it is with our moral improvement; (substitute "mother" here) we wrestle fiercely with a viscious habit (______!) which would have no hold on us if we ascended into a higher  atmosphere."
Sir Arthur Helps (1813-75) I just love the peaceful look on the man in the drawing.  Somehow this image works for me.  Just don't need to engage. My husband teases my mother alot and treats everything with a very light touch. I'm  trying to the same thing.  

Well as you say OnlyMe, you are not alone.   I'm so glad the board is helping you.  Thank you to Dr. Grossman for providing such a healing place.
Les

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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2004, 09:39:09 PM »
Hi Les,

I love that quotation and the image you painted.  I'll remember it.
Gee, I am 54 and my old doll is 85!  And, yes, I love baggy clothes in which to hide, and it has always been for protection from her, as well.  She did not respect any of my personal boundaries, and that included my body, and so ever since I was old enough to be able to choose my own clothes, I wore big tops.  Often I'd wear Dad's sweaters, old shirts, anything that covered me to the bottom of my derriere.  When nM wouldn't buy big sweaters for me, I would save my allowance and buy wool and knit huge sweaters to wear - and I always tried to act as though I was 'creative' and 'arty' and luckily was able to be a 'hippie' type - and even when I was at University, we were all wearing all sorts of creative, big, loose things.  I am only now realizing that I have kept my body hidden all these years for a reason.  I was subjected to physical as well as emotional abuse, by her .   As an only child, I didn't know that others weren't experiencing the same thing - it has only been in recent years that I have learned the extent of my violation - and the damages, both physical as well as emotional, as a result.  Therefore, Yes, my baggy clothes are definitely my protection.   It feels safe, and therefore comfortable.  I try to choose artsy or ethnic type things, so people just assume I want to have my own style, which I guess is true.  I love art, wear a lot of black, and so it seems to make sense, in the big picture.   And back to nm - I'll be damned if she is going to get close to me, or to see my shape ever again.  She can roll her eyes all she wants, for I will never look like her, no matter what!  Yes, I wear layers of clothes when I visit her, even if it is a hot hot day - I'd rather be hot than bare and exposed.
Gee, I have said a lot more than I intended.  I hope this is still a safe place, for part of me still tries to protect her image - and yes, that shows she still has power over me, and I still have a ways to go.
~ OnlyMe

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2004, 06:00:17 PM »
Hi OnlyMe,

I believe this is a safe place - despite the odd outburst here and there that can rattle you for awhile (well rattled me anyway).  I spoke about the physical/sexual abuse with my mother here and felt very supported. I didn't say a great deal but it was a relief to just say it, call it what it was. It helped me get control of the situation with her which amazingly still needs careful monitoring. (these old bags, for god sake!) If you wanted to look at some old posts - late May or June I think, they tell a bit of my story.

I've also found a board that deals specifically with these issues and ordered some books that have helped as well.  It is a murky swamp for sure but  I have found that the more honest I am with myself, the more clarity I face the situation with, the better it gets.  My behaviour with her has changed. I am very clear about my physical space now - in how I allow her to touch me or not and she has gotten the message without any discussion required. However I also feel armed with words now should they be needed -the words I wish I'd been able to speak 40-50 years ago.

If you would like to speak more specifically about any of this OnlyMe I'd be happy to listen, tell you what I've learned and be of whatever support I can be.

Les