Gossip

[lighter]

Leah.....

We are compelled to accept an apology when..... 

"a person expresses genuine remorse, and makes every effort not to repeat the same mistake." 

I agree with you.

Conversly..... I believe it's wrong to accept an apology that contains no genuine remorse and no intention to do better.

Promising to keep the gossip "private" isn't logical and it certainly doesn't speak to regret.   

IMO, it speaks to being sorry one outed themselves in the act of gossiping.

Lighter

PS... Since the gossip included me, I felt my comments in the matter are appropriate.

I have to ask, why did you respond?

Please consider this a gentle request for clarity, not a judgment.

((Leah))  I agree with your interpretation of apology and forgiveness and look forward to discussing it further: )

[Leah]

Dear Lighter,

I feel strongly that my genuine intentions with a good heart, from the time I joined this board in January 2007 (with a break from May'07 to Oct'07) to present day, have been misunderstood and misconstrued.

Last December, I created threads with a plea in the exact same way as Changing as just done right now.

That we consider one another, with reciprocal communication showing respect, and asking for clarification if one is unsure.

Actually, dear Changing was most supportive of my endeavours at that time in December.


I really don't have the time or resources to keep repeating myself over and over, and I have no desire to dig out and repost the threads.


Now, as for your question regarding Ami's behavior and/or actions -  you would need to speak with Ami directly.     

Firstly,  I have NO desire to review Ami's behavior on the board, nor indeed anyone else..

Secondly, I do feel that it is graceful to allow any person the freedom to reflect and decide regarding their own thoughts, words, and actions, especially, when they have aplogized.


I have already explained why I posted in view of our current thread on the subject of " Healthy Community "


I feel that this is sufficient on this subject matter, here on Izzy's thread, as far as I am concerned.   

Upon reflection, I wonder if it is worth posting ones own thoughts and support here on this board! 


However, I would like to say, that here on this board I have, and I do, freely extend genuine support and encouragement to all who wish to receive a communication from me as a person.

And I value and appreciate genuine support and encouragement from ALL members.


((( Lighter )))


Love, Leah


Edit in:   My heart is mindful that Ami is working through her healing journey with the recent (Jan'08) impact of personal loss and grief.

[lighter]

Dear Leah...

I asked for clarity....

not for you to feel you had to mount a defense... sorry if you felt attacked.

I didn't understand why you were posting, here.

It seemed you made clear you weren't involved, and so....

I didn't understand why you were involving yourself.

Lighter

ps... I realize this is a public message board. 

Considering the recent discussions on gossip, I thought it odd you would join this particular thread.

My apologies if you're upset.... I have no need to discuss this further if you don't wish to: )

[Izzy_*now*]

I am SO sorry. That was meant for s/one else and my own PRIVATE conversation. I am really, really sorry Izzy. Please forgive me . I ,honestly, did not send it on purpose. Gosh, please give me grace.    Ami

For whom was it meant, Ami? How many people are in on your gossiping about me. I would like the truth.
I can understand a computer error. I would just like the recipient list.

Izzy

Please Ami
An explanation for me why you chose to say I was dissing lighter and where was the proof to back up that gossip you PMd to others.
Izzy

[Leah]

Dear Leah...

I asked for clarity....

not for you to feel you had to mount a defense... sorry if you felt attacked.

I didn't understand why you were posting, here.

It seemed you made clear you weren't involved, and so....

I didn't understand why you were involving yourself.

Lighter

ps... I realize this is a public message board. 

Considering the recent discussions on gossip, I thought it odd you would join this particular thread.

My apologies if you're upset.... I have no need to discuss this further if you don't wish to: )

Dear Lighter,

My goodness, how can you possibly assume - as to whether or not I am upset?   Without even asking me first?     You assume that I am mounting a defense??

As it happens, I am not upset, at all.

I was merely communicating with you, that's all.

My heart is genuine and sincere for ALL people. 


I RESPONDED IN ACCORD WITH  HOP'S  COMMENT THAT MISTAKES ARE ALLOWED IN A HEALTHY COMMUNITY

THEN HOPS COMMENDED AMI FOR OWNING UP.


AS I DO TOO - ACTUALLY


SHE EVEN APOLOGIZED AND OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE IS FLAWED


I can't keep explaining the same thing over and over, it is so draining.

Love, Leah

[Leah]

Hops posted here also, Lighter

And as I have already mentioned, I was responding in reference to Hops posting   "HEALTHY COMMUNITY"               (AND with regard to the  HEALTHY COMMUNITY thread)

Hops was responding to Izzy's thread, this one.


Hope that gives you clarification.

Love, Leah

[Overcomer]

First of all, I just want to say that I have been watching this "thing" for a few days now.  If ANYONE thinks we bystanders do not see the dramatics you are mistaken.  It is comical and I guess that is why I always get accused of being the comic relief.  I cannot help but laugh.  I am friends with both sides of the fray and I cannot get involved.  But I want you all to know that the whole thing is ridiculous.

Imagine you didn't know anyone..............you stumbled upon these exchanges after exchanges after new thread after locked threads after blocked PMs after admonitions from Dr. G................wouldn't you consider it ludacris???

It IS stupid.............plain and simple.............pointless, fruitless, a waste of all of our time.  We do not know half of these people from Adam and yet we go off the deep end.  Goofy........

[Leah]

First of all, I just want to say that I have been watching this "thing" for a few days now.  If ANYONE thinks we bystanders do not see the dramatics you are mistaken.  It is comical and I guess that is why I always get accused of being the comic relief.  I cannot help but laugh.  I am friends with both sides of the fray and I cannot get involved.  But I want you all to know that the whole thing is ridiculous.

Imagine you didn't know anyone..............you stumbled upon these exchanges after exchanges after new thread after locked threads after blocked PMs after admonitions from Dr. G................wouldn't you consider it ludacris???

It IS stupid.............plain and simple.............pointless, fruitless, a waste of all of our time.  We do not know half of these people from Adam and yet we go off the deep end.  Goofy........

(((((((((((((( Kelly )))))))))))


Hooray!   Voice of Sound Reason.

This is ALL so time consuming and detracting from the purpose of the board which is for Healing!


I can only imagine what any Bystander to this board is thinking.


Love to ALL

Leah x

[Gabben]

((Overcomer))...........thanks for that, from someone who has gone off the deep end, and is goofy, your post made me laugh...at myself and others...it really is goofy.

All I can say is that I am glad that I can laugh at myself.

Lise

[lighter]

I said "if" you're upset, Leah...

 didn't mean to imply I knew that you were.

And.... I still don't have clarity......

but that's OK cause I can't remember what it was I was asking, lol.

I think it had something to do with apologizing for getting ourselves caught gossiping...

vs......

owning up to gossiping and promising not to do it again.

::scratching head::

Lighter

ps.... I look forward to more comic relief, OVercomer: )

You are the board's Mike Luckovitch, after all.

[Izzy_*now*]

Hi OC
You have been watching something for a few days. Yes it would appear ludicrous.

I just received Ami's PM this morning, so your post might belong on another thread. However, that said, it can remain as part and parcel of the childish gossip that began this thread.

I must also say that it is very human to have a knee-jerk reaction to something that someone says about another, in a derogatory way. That was me.

I could have kept this private, I know, but I felt it ought to be known.

We might not know our board members personally in 3D, but I gather no one takes to libel  very well, even a nick name.

Best
Izzy

[Overcomer]

That was the name I was trying to pull out of my hat - Mike Luckovitch...but I really don't want to be the comic relief.................maybe I am psycho but when I read all this I break into maniacal laughter..................I mean, literally cracking up, shaking my head, not believing all this.  It has gone beyond absurd to absolutely hysterical.  

And my question is?  So What???

[Overcomer]

Izzy:  I am sorry.  It probably deserved a thread of it's own.  I agree.  Why would someone even care if you did diss someone else??  Oh well, sorry to hijack....and I do feel like I know you more than Adam...

[Leah]

Dear Lighter,

If other people are afforded the grace to make mistakes   (and reflect and learn by them proactively)

then

why can't that be applied to all members?


My heart is for ALL - not one.


Love, Leah


PS.   Hopefully, we are done!  

[Certain Hope]

Izzy:  I am sorry.  It probably deserved a thread of it's own.  I agree.  Why would someone even care if you did diss someone else??  Oh well, sorry to hijack....and I do feel like I know you more than Adam...

I think it did, too, Izzy... deserve being addressed and deserve being clarified.

Sometimes these conflicts tend to get all rolled up into one big glob.

Glad you pointed out that your glob was separate from the other globs on the board...
and that you don't appreciate being gossipped about.

It's said that we teach people how to treat us.
Well, we can't accomplish that if we just stay silent and never say, "whoa!"

Love,
Carolyn