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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2008, 06:20:51 PM »
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I was the only woman with a boyfriend, and he made me look good.


What's this about for you, Lupita?

Is it competing with other women...looking good to them?
Is that about your mother?

Is it about looking good to yourself?

I don't know why I ask except that I felt sad when I read it.

love to you,
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« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2008, 11:36:39 AM »
he is an allien. He is a robot. He reflects every thing I do or say. If I laugh he laughs, if I dress up, he does too, if I say I like soemthing he suddenly likes it too. He does whatever I want.

It is very strange!

Has anybody has seen something like that?

We have been together for two months now.

Hope to hear from you guys, if you have seen a person who imitates what you do. It is like he does not have a personlity of his own, he only reflects what I do. It is teaching me a lot because I see a reflectiob of what I do and I do not like it. So, that means. some people do not like me for the same reason.

Have you been with a person that does that? MY MOTHER

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« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2008, 11:38:33 AM »
mY MOTHER IMITATES ME ALL THE TIME. He behaves a lot like my mother but he is not maLIGNANT. Only possessive. But it makes me feel well that he tries so hard to please me.

I am getting used to his presence.

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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2008, 05:34:18 PM »
There is no one there. Hmmm. I do not understand but I understand.

No one there. Then, who is there? Is it an empty brain?

Well, that is the only kind of men I attract. I have never attracted a councious man, with awarenes and presence in life. Never!

It is sad. I do not know what to do.

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« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2008, 06:27:08 AM »
This is an important lesson for me. I am learning how to set boundaries with out getting mad. I tell him to stop something and he tries. He does it again and I tell him in a more firmer way and he tries. It is like with the students.
Now he respects me more than before. He knows that my house is my house and he cannot behave like my house is his house. He is learning. I am setting boundaries. Little by little.
It is also helping me with my m,other. My mother did not call me for my birthday and I did not cry at all. She just sent me e mail. But he had me so busy that I could not even think about my mother and now I look at it retrsopectively and I DO NOT need my mother.
If he leaves, I will learn not to need him either.
God put us together for a reason. He is learning from me and I am learning from him, he is not judgemental, not critical and very humble. I am learning to be a better person with him.
I think I am starting to love him.

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« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2008, 09:15:50 AM »
Just remember that setting boundaries is only part of the equation.

Enforcing them, no matter what, is the other part and it's not easy.

That you can do that, without getting angry, is a good thing. 

As for you setting boundaries, and your friend "trying" to repsect them..... what does that mean?

Is he respecting boundaries, or appearing to make the effort?
I really don't know what it means, Lupe.

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« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2008, 10:00:59 AM »
Dear Lupita
 If you and he can grow together,it will be beautiful. I am having that,now.  We have  a child like love that I have never had before. I think these are once in a lifetime,or never. If you have that Lupita, grow with him. Stumble and fall with him.You and he will heal together .
 Your relationship sounds  beautiful to me.    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2008, 09:46:11 PM »
If you have someone who has a mirroring personality, and you want someone to reflect yourself back, you are fine.   My mother does this and I can say it's pretty tough to live with after awhile, because it stops being confirming and starts being parasitic. 

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« Reply #53 on: November 13, 2008, 10:41:00 PM »
What is a mirroring personality, Gjazz? I never really heard of it before. I hope *I* am not it.                    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2008, 11:00:41 AM »
Echo Personality Disorder
Written by: Ganymede

The term Echo Personality Disorder was coined by British Psychosynthesis practitioner Patrick Hurst, as a replacement term for 'Inverted Narcissism' and 'Covert Narcissism' which later terms place unwarranted emphasis on narcissistic qualities of the personality, which in many of these individuals may not be a feature at all.

EPD is a highly differentiated form of Dependent Personality Disorder, marked by behaviours of compliance and a need to 'mirror' significant others -parents, spouse, friends, employer. Individuals with EPD may be attracted to relationships with individuals showing marked narcissistic traits -people who need to be mirrored or praised- though this in no way forms a "standard" or "universal pattern" as is often claimed by theorists. EPD individuals may enter into relationships with a great variety of people, though at core there is a tendency to choose situations in which unrequited love will be the outcome.

These traits -choosing significant relationships where love can never be satisfactorily consumated, and the tendency to mirror significant others- were motivating features for choosing the term Echo Personality Disorder. In Greek mythology Echo was the lover of Narcissus. In this myth Echo, a forest nymph, falls in love with the egocentric youth Narcissus, and when he shows clear signs of rejecting her she persists in her attatchement, and will not be moved from her aim. She finally satisfies herself with the masochistic task of echoing back to him all that he says. This too is a central feature of EPD behaviour in relationships, where the individual will mirror, echo, and compliment another at the expense of their own self-worth and dignity. This echoing behaviour, though, does not exhaust the mythological potential of Echo, even if commentators on the myth narrow their descriptions to this single episode with Narcissus. Echo also has relations with Zeus, Hera, Pan, and Gaia, which have a different coloration to those she has with Narcissus, and has many friends in the form of other forest nymphs -"sisters" as we would call them today; attesting to the complexity we find within the Echo personality constellation.

Self descriptions of EPD individuals often relate a lack of self worth, and an accompanying fear of rejection, abandonment, and loss, as a result of feeling "unacceptable" to others. These agonizing fears are a driving force behind the above-mentioned interpersonal coping style (mirroring and reflecting others). These individuals protect themselves from rejection/abandonment by acting so agreeable to others, via their mirroring capacity, that chances of re-experiencing abandonment agony is brought to a safe minimum. Others generally enjoy being around the benevolent atmosphere cultivated by an EPD individual. Unfortunately this interpersonal style of relating amounts to a false existence with little or even no true-self expression, leading to poor psychological health, and lack of identity.

One characteristic predisposing background of EPD involves individuals being parented by caretakers who are themselves self-absorbed, narcissistic, or overly punitive. In this kind of environment the child learns that asserting one's 'true self' will be met with a form of (often serial) rejection, to which the child responds by substituting 'compliant' behaviour in place of true selfhood. Such compliant behaviour can then be witnessed as a stable feature throughout the child's growing-up years, with other school children, and within the family.

Depression, smoking, alchoholism, and addictive behaviours all occur with very high frequency in this personalty type.

On a more positive note, EPD individuals are excellent contributors to society and family life; are often perceptive of the needs of others; and enjoy contributing in a helpful fashion. The highly respected religions of Christianity and Buddhism are based on such principles of altruism and charity, and this is a lifestyle at which the EPD individual can be said to be expert. Good traits such as these cannot be written off with a catch-cry of 'pathology', and if the EPD individual can regain a healthy sense-of-self whilst maintaining these good traits, they have the potential to become paragons of social behaviour.

-Essay based on Patrick Hurst's definition of EPD.


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« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2008, 12:10:21 PM »
Yuch
 I AM Echo PD.               Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2008, 03:10:31 PM »
Hi Ami, I do not believe that you are echo, but you certainly have displayed strong traits of it.

My boyfriends deos that. He is a veteran of Vietnam and was in 22 combats. He has PTSD. And I do believe he has serious probles of self esteem.

But, remember that the last perfect person was crucified two thousand yeasr ago.

Perfect person does not exist and much less a perfect relationship. All relatinships cost a great deal of effort and work. We just have to decide if we want to pay the sacrifice or to have the effort to keep the company of that person.

That is where I am right now. Trying to decide if I want to go to all the trouble fo a relationship for a man that has a very low self esteem and does everything I want, mirrors everything I do or say, changes his opinion just to agree with me and is so clingy!

So, there I am, trying to decide or just wait till I am totally tired of playing tennis on my own.

He really makes my life much easier. He even helps me typing and writing power point for my lessons. He types what I need and send it by e mail, also walks with me evry day so I keep in good shape.

Do I want an empty brain that makes my life easier and gives me compaby or I want salt and pepper from a man with a real personality and make my life more difficult, but provide me with chemestry. Or probably somebody i will never find and end up being alone again forever as I was for 20 years.

Tough decision.

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« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2008, 05:43:10 PM »
Perhaps you and he could grow ,together, Lupita. It seems like  your other guys were more N types. This one seems more submissive, so it is a whole different ball game for you.
My hope is that you can help each other and yourselves grow as people and as a couple,if that is what you want.     Ami
 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2008, 09:53:24 PM »
Yes, sorry, I've been away--Echo and Mirroring Personalities are the same.  Vacant, tend to take on the characteristics of whomever is around.  I think it's quite common for them to be attracted to people with NPD and vice versa, because Ns love seeing themselves reflected back, and Echos do this almost unconsciously.  I've often thought Ms (if you will) seek to abdicate responsibility and avert criticism.  In my mother's case, this seems to be the case.  Of course, when you give up power to Ns....well, we all know how that goes.

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« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2008, 04:42:31 PM »
I hate when he reflects my self, I hate it. I do not like what I see, I wish he had his own opinion and offer some kind of protection and teaching to me. He makes me feel like an adult and he is the child. I hate it.