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Variou$ woe$ and some happine$$ too
« on: October 18, 2008, 03:53:41 PM »
Hi all,
Woe$ are: the bottom line is that Mom's income is $1500 short per month to cover her nursing home care, and mine is $500 short to live on (including my paying the mortgage). My long-term guests are giving me something each month toward utilities, but I am still $500 short.

So: to take care of Mom, I'll be getting more from the house equity. Increasing that loan will be another payment. I'm getting the lawyer's advice Monday or Tuesday, but I'm a little frustrated about his comprehension. Anyway, he means well.

What my brother's attack has accomplished is ultimately that both his and my inheritance will now be gobbled up, because if he had not attacked me legally, we would have the house transferred to my name by now, and Mom on Medicaid. And his third would still be protected for him. I don't think he was smart enough to think through the ramifications, so instead, I'm blocked from accepting rent that would help me maintain the place, Mom can't get Medicaid because he blocked the house transfer (would have been allowed under Medicaid because I was her caregiver), lawyers are getting lots of our money and it's a mess.

Personally, I am exhausted. I slept until 2:30 today. I must get another job, so am about to start tramping the sidewalks for an evening/weekend retail thing. But I'm so tired from the fast-paced 40 hours I do already, plus worrying about all this and visiting Mom, that I am concerned what it'll do to my health.

The whole thing's a mess.

The happiness part is interesting: there's a very nice man, 4 years my junior, who's new to my church. We've been seeing each other about twice a week for a few months. He cooks for me, we talk and walk. He's very bright, was at one point a very successful software engineer. Lived a yuppie life until his marriage ended. I think he really likes me. I like him too. But I'm a little afraid of involvement. What I do like is that although there's attraction, he has respected my need to go very, very slowly. No pressure, and he is gentle.

Downsides: he drinks a lot. (I know, if one maintained an automatic checklist, one would toss him. But I find it hard. What's it to me if a gentle man drinks more wine than I find healthy? It certainly doesn't make him mean or anything.) He's very fit. And attractive. He has had relationships with younger women but says now that he's realizing the limits of connecting through a big generational difference. He seems interested in making a relationship.

Okay, y'all, please understand that I have never, ever, been attracted to conventional people. In tough times I have told myself, woman, what you need is a Republican dentist!! But line 'em up and I have always gone for the eccentric, the rebel, the different, the unusually sensitive, etc. So....here's the thing. This time a year ago he was homeless, and for the second time. He had grieving to do over the early loss of his father, he'd been passive about going along with others' ideas of happiness and he got a brain tumor that wiped him out financially. And, he was stubborn. Rather than ask a friend to take him in, as he was in a new state on his own, he just quietly decided to go sleep in the woods. So he did that.

His sister who goes to my church basically went and collected him after the local police contacted her. And he and she are very happily rebuilding their relationship.

The other day I was emailing him a few job openings I'd seen...and last time I was there it turned out he'd had an interview that morning! He's really quite brilliant and it's possible he'll go from almost nothing, to right back up the ladder. Anyway, he's meanwhile gotten accustomed to living very, very simply. And his spiritual learning from his experiences have made him someone I admire.

Particularly during this time when I'm very afraid of losing my own home and security. He's good company. And likes to be helpful to me. Having gone so many years feeling alone with all the worry, it's good to have a friend. Who acts like one.

I'm writing this now because I feel I'm nearing the tipping point of getting more emotionally involved, and that is scary.

Not because of who he is, but because I fear my own dependency, vulnerability to abandonment (not that he's threatened it, but he "likes his freedom".) He's mentioned he knows a couple who are devoted to each other but maintain their separate residences. I think when he said that he was trying to reassure me when I said something about liking to go very very slowly...not distancing himself. And he remarked, and who knows, I could even get married again, but I'm happy to let it unfold.

It's me who has a hard time letting things unfold. I have so often leapt from first gear to fifth and been terribly hurt when it didn't turn into commitment. So here's somebody actually offering to give me all the space and time I need, and I'm afraid I might clutch onto it.

At the same time, I think he's the kindest and gentlest "suitor" I've had in a long time, and I can visualize a shared life, I think.

What do you think? (Believe me, I know the homeless episode/s are freaky to hear about. But I've gotten to know him and it doesn't alarm me.)

love
Hops
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 05:47:19 PM »
You know what?  The homelessness and drinking too much are a little scary...but so's a Republican dentist.  Only because I know one, as well as a pharmacist who's the next best thing.  Two less emotionally available people would be hard to imagine.  I say: you are getting something positive out of this relationship.  NOT getting even more that's positive down the line need not eradicate or reduce the benefit of what you have now.  You understand each other, you feel less alone with him.  What's not to like?  Nobody's perfect, but sometimes people are better for being together.  You've both been through a lot and continue to face such challenges--why not be there for each other?  He may not be The One.  Maybe he is.  Either way he sounds like a worthwhile friend.

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 07:35:40 PM »
hi Hops,

I noticed a plaque on the Post office gift shop wall on Thurday and bought it for my daughter..

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"If you see a woman looking for a husband, she's never had one" 

He sounds like a gentle friend, but please take it slowly. But on the other side, like you, I was always attracted to the 'different' type. One was part Native Algonquin, a most handsome creature, and passed on his colouring to my D and she to 2 of her 3 children. The other had long, wavy gray hair, a most ugly creature., an N. There is a nice looking, well-spoken man in my building, totally bald, bald for real, but I'm not in the running, though I still look. I note many good looking Natives in the area.

When it comes to family I coud barf. Your Brother more than takes the cake. Does he realize what he has done?

Why is a Republican dentist different? Please let me in on what you and gjazz know!
 
Good Luck, Hopsy
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 08:11:13 PM »
Hiya Hops,

Been a while.........so sorry to hear about your brother and all that mess.  The financial stuff is scary, interestingly, I, who am afraid of almost everything, have never been afraid of financial ruin!!!  I have some sort of incredible faith that I will always have enough - don't suppose that is really helpful but I guess what I am saying is that worrying about it can hurt you more than having less money.  Your brother, it seems, is out to sabotage you getting what you need and deserve.  I don't know how the medical system works in the US but what happens if you cannot pay your Mom's bills.  In Europe if you cannot pay for private health care the state pays or does the fact that your Mom still owns the house prohibit that?  I so wish it was easier for you.


I had to laugh out loud when I read the part about the republican dentist and also I can associate with being attracted to someone who is "different".  I also have had that but seem to have kicked it, not that I am attracted to anyone at the moment.  I think gjazz is talking sense.  Can you be present to what is going on now and take the support and breathe through the anxiety when it comes.  Over here people tend not to marry at the same rate as you guys second time round so that seems pretty normal for me.  To be honest I would never contemplate marriage again and the only kind of relationship I would be interested in is a living apart one.  I don't think i have what it takes, brings up all the yucky feelings around passivity etc.  So how about going along, enjoying the closeness, having fun and NOT taking care of him and see where that leads.

Much love,

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 09:25:41 PM »
Just to add: I think in terms of romance you should take it slowly, but I always think that.  My motto is it's time to get involved when you stop asking yourself if it's a good idea.   I also think if you tend to be drawn to people you feel you can "save," or even just help, I'd take romance even more slowly.  In terms of friendship, though, you seem to complement each other, and real friends are dang rare.

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 08:40:00 PM »
I have nothing of value to add here but I cannot let the oportunity go by without offering my support for you.  What I am struck by is that you are drawing men whom you do like to you.  First one and then another.  I truly believe that you are progressing towards the companionship you desire and deserve.  I have no idea if this is the one who will provide your companionship but this is what I take from it - he has had some difficult times.  I do not believe that past defines a person.  I believe that love and caring can healing like nothing else - BUT it is also true that some people are so damaged/wounded that they cannot accept the love that is offered them and those people do go on hurting others.  How can you know which this man is?  Perhaps with time and experience as you go slowly you will learn.

I wish love and joy and comfort for you Hops.  I wish for you someone who can receive from you the kindness and caring and wit you have given many of us here and I wish for you someone who can love you and support you and care for you in return.  That is what I wish for you - for us all.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2008, 09:19:47 PM »
Hopalong,
you sound wise as far as the financial end of things. You know what needs to be done and you plan to do it. Good for you! I'm so sorry you have that jack@#$ of a brother to deal with.

Your companion sounds charming and weathered. You have taken his story and learned alot already from him. That's a good thing.

Just take it moment to moment.

If you find yourself agonizing, there's good reason for it.

If you find yourself relaxed and feeling loved, there's good reason for it.

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 11:02:43 AM »
"Trust in God, but tie your camel"

-- old Sufi saying.

As long as you maintain your boundaries, Hops, you have no need to agonize....
I believe that all the "usual" beliefs about relationships (white picket fence type stereotypes) are impediments to enjoying what experience, wisdom, and courage can make real from our relationships. Your new friend isn't his drinking... or his previous homelessness... and it sounds like you've set those things aside, even while wondering, worrying...

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 08:14:34 PM »
Hops:

I'm so glad you posted an update.

I've missed you.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 08:42:52 PM »
Hey Hops:  My first instinct is to say to be careful about the drinking because if he is drinking early in the relationship when you are usually on your best behavior....beware......but the other thing is have him move in so you have extra money........isn't that talking out of both sides of my mouth.....but I am happy you are happy.....
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2008, 10:34:36 PM »
Hi all,
New friend is the least of my problems...aggghh.

I'm sinking. I paid $4K last month for Mom that I don't have, the paper is full of people trying to sell their cars and nobody's called me about mine, I haven't found a second job yet and the interest is mounting.

I do feel overwhelmed. Not sure what to do.

But I'll get a grip.

Money is terrifying when you don't have it.

love
Hops
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2008, 11:24:09 PM »
Hops,

So sorry to hear.  I think you have to put yourself first.  Maybe you need to move your mother to a less expensive place or ask the nursing home to lower the price.

How about this:  maybe your 2nd job is working at the nursing home in exchange for reducing your mother's fee?

Is your brother contributing to your mother's fee?  If not, why not?

Best to you,
ann

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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2008, 11:41:48 PM »
Hi Ann,
I wouldn't give him the opportunity to have any involvement because he will use any control given him at all, even financial, as a further opportunity to try to enter the house, take over her account, etc. Until the hearing is over, where he is trying to be her conservator (take over, from Chicago, while I'm right here...) -- he wants to force the sale of the house (disastrous for me), etc.

It's too complicated. Or I'm too wiped out to make sense. But he is not a source of help.

The nursing home staff have been fairly well poisoned by my brother. He really did a job of it.

When I saw Mom tonight the first thing out of her mouth was: "Ray Lynn says I don't see you!" THAT is the SW to whom my evil uncle addressed his "secret" letter to my mother...in which he told her to let my brother have his way.
And...my brother "groomed" this SW to believe I'm a terrible person.

I had never met her before last week, nor had she called me. I'm feeling isolated and frustrated about that. But I don't want to put Mom through a move. She likes the staff, they treat her well, it feels familiar to her now, she has a good roommate, and she's fond of the other residents.

She'll be 98 next month.

I am just worried about how to do all this. It feels like too much. I need a break.

But, this is the card I'm dealt just now and I will find out how to deal.

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Hops
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 11:59:14 PM »
Oh jeez Hops - this is all too much for you to have to handle.  I am so very sorry.  I do pray that something gives for you soon.  It is so often the legacy of N parents that the offspring are divided and one or another works to destroy the other.  I have seen it in every single N family.  As though the price of being born into Nism only gets worse with time.  That is such a cruel fate.  It is impossible to comprehend the pain and horror and helplessness of it all for all of us.

My heart is with you and my prayers that something miraculous happens to staunch the bleeding and leave your house standing in tack.  That will be justice - your house standing in tack - your at last.  That is the ending I choose.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2008, 01:27:18 AM »
Hops,

I'm going to preface this by apologizing for my bluntness.  I think sometimes I post too bluntly & people get turned off & dismiss the substance of my message.  So even if you're turned off by my bluntness, I hope you'll consider the substance of my message.

I think that we, as daughters of NMs, have been raised to not put ourselves first.  We willingly & automatically put ourselves second or third and put the needs of others ahead of our own.  It's OK to do with our children, but not always OK to do with adults. 

I suggested moving your mother to a less expensive place and you replied that she's happy there & she's almost 98.  I know you love her & if you had the $, it would be fine.  BUT........(here comes the bluntness), you don't have the money & you just paid $4K which you don't have, the economy is in the toilet, haven't yet found a car buyer nor a 2nd job.

More bluntness coming..........Let's not forget a major reason why you find yourself in this position:  You're mother's secret will.  She kinda double crossed you, colluded with your brother, who also sullied you to the nursing home people & your uncle and is suing you.

Hops, I can only imagine the pain you feel when you really look at what your NM & bro have done to you.  It hurts.  It hurts really bad and I am so sorry that this happened.  But, let's not forget that we are daughters of dysfunctional foos.  So, we have to deal with the reality of how our dysfunctional foo members have effected us.  Very often, our dysfunctional foo members really screw us up (& screw us over) in a deeply profound way.

IMO, a big part of your financial problems are due to your brother's lawsuit, which, in turn, is due to your mother's secret will.  And yet, you are willing to sacrifice your financial well being by going into debt to keep your mother in this nursing home because she's happy there.  But, what about you???  You are really happy in the house, but your mother didn't make it her business to see that you would get the house & instead, went behind your back with the secret will.

One of the biggest lessons I've learned in this NM/ N dysfunctional foo experience is to put my oxygen mask on myself first BEFORE I can help anyone else.  By keeping your mother in a nursing home that you cannot afford (& you can't ask brother to contribute due to the lawsuit, which is due to the secret will), you are not putting your oxygen mask on yourself first. 

You, like me, are your sole means of financial support.  Am I correct in thinking that if, GD forbid, your financial status goes south, there's no one to bail you out?

So, as you look at your financial picture, what ever you do, please put your own personal financial well being FIRST.  I know I sound harsh & cruel, but I'm being real.

How about discussing the nursing home short fall money with your lawyer?  Maybe he has some suggestions.  I just don't think you should go into further debt to keep your mother there if going into such debt will cause you financial instability.

Hops, again, I apologize for sounding blunt, harsh & cruel.

with love,
ann
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