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Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« on: July 27, 2009, 06:37:15 PM »
Sorry for the length of this. I'm really a wreck.

I’ve reached a point where the stress from my NM and codependent father is starting to affect my health, so I have to decide if the time has come to go total NC. I went NC from my mother several years ago, but am now thinking that I may have to distance myself from my codependent father as well.

All of my life, my father has failed me, but I’ve refused to see it. He always sided with M, believed every lie about me, and hurt me over and over again. Every time he failed me I gave him a free pass, telling myself that he was under M’s control and couldn’t help himself. I wanted SO badly to believe that my dad loved me, but the reality is that he did some horrible things to me, including leaving me to starve in a roach infested apartment after I left home at 18. The whole time I was struggling to survive on minimum wage and food stamps, and taking the bus to work, he was giving my brother (the golden child) hundreds, if not thousands of dollars every week . . . a luxury apartment, brand new car, car insurance, college tuition, acting lessons, even private archery and figure skating lessons to support N mother’s dream of turning him into a celebrity.

My NM is terminally ill, and F has managed to convince himself that he will die shortly afterwards, with no one to take care of him (a “sympathetic death” is actually plausible, since for the last 50 years, his every move has been dictated by M).

Consequently, they have both started making burial arrangements and are dividing up assets. When my mother learned that she was terminally ill, she had the will redrawn to finally include me, not as an act of love, but as an act of retaliation against my brother’s N wife, who M hates even more than me.  I’ve always known in my heart that my brother was sole heir, but finally hearing it come from their mouths drove it home, and REALLY hurt. Still, I managed to shrug it off, because I never wanted their money, and certainly never expected it. The will is meaningless to me, and in all honesty, I have serious doubts that it was changed anyway. I asked my sister (who has been named executor) if she has seen the new will, and she told me, “Mom wouldn’t give me a copy but she told me what was in it.” Nuff said there.

But the final cut came last weekend. There was only one thing that I had ever asked for, EVER. My father is an Emmy winner, and I had been asking him for years (decades) if he would leave me the Emmy. I was so proud of him for winning it, and having worked in the entertainment industry myself, it would have meant something for me to have it. I would have really truly treasured it. Well, my sister emailed me last weekend to tell me that he gave the Emmy to my brother and his N wife (same N wife that they didn’t want inheriting anything).

When I read her email, well, I don’t even remember what happened. I ran out of the room in tears, and the rest is a blur. My husband said that I ran into a wall and fell down. The next morning I had terrible aches and pains, and an injury to my hand. I’ve never had this happen before, where the stress was so severe that I just blacked out. Hubby had to stay home twice last week to take me to the doctor, one time for heart palpitations, the other for dizziness. In both cases, the doctor said I was probably on stress overload. My headaches have also become so severe that I’ve been in need of higher doses of pain meds, and am in danger of addiction if something doesn’t give.

I now feel that my health is at risk if I allow them to continue to get under my skin. This is harder than hard for me, because I love my father, and have spent 40 years trying to convince myself that he loved me, and that he only hurt me because he was brainwashed. But the decision to shut me out of the will, and to give his most treasured possession to my brother, those were HIS decisions. Sure, M may have influenced them, but he had at least 50% say in this. The decision to give the golden child his Emmy was definitely his alone.

Hubby is fed up with my family drama and wants to call my father and confront him – ask him why/how he could do this to me. I talked him out of it because I know my dad will just go into his Dustin Hoffman Rain Man routine and start yammering about buying underwear at Kmart. But the other side of me says that one of us needs to confront him so he knows how upset I am, so he’ll at least know the reason why his phone calls are no longer returned. I still love my dad, but how can I face him or talk to him, knowing all these years he had excluded me from his will? He has THREE children, not one, and to make his favorite child (his son), the sole heir is beyond cruel. It doesn’t matter if their estate is five dollars or five million – it’s wrong.

Sorry that this is turning into a long-winded vent. I’m just so unbelievably stressed that it’s reached a potential life-and-death situation for me. My doctor has warned me that if I don’t get the stress under control, that something “very bad” could happen.

My mother won’t be around much longer, and F will be left alone, and I feel badly about that. But I also don’t feel that I can face him again, and listen to his small talk, after he hurt me so badly. How can I stop feeling sorry for him and do what is right for ME?

Kathy
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 07:32:44 PM »
Dear Kathy
 I can relate so well.I wish I couldn't. I always "thought" my F loved me but I was kidding myself. When my H was breaking down my door and I asked my F for help,he said,"That's life."
 My F does not care but NEXT to my M he was wonderful so I lied to myself so I could think I had one parent who cared.
 I am so sorry for your situation. Maybe, when you ran in to the wall, the truth of your life hit you.
 Sometimes, I can't believe what a horrible life I have had. I always had material things and advantages such as college etc but emotionally I was  made to feel like I was crazy.I had no guidance in life other than an NM who delighted in shocking me and a F who would not lift a hand to protect me.(I did have a loving GM who saved what little but of sanity I have left) I went along with it all so I could have a family.
 For me, I got so stressed that I could barely eat. I got really skinny.Maybe, I was giving up b/c I could see no way out. Maybe, I was calling out for help to my family to SEE that I needed love and caring.
 You need to go NC,as I see it.
 I think you know this down deep. I think your blacking out was your sign that you must.
 Do you have a loving H ?
 I started healing when I found s/one to love .
 Can you share your real heart with your H ?
          Ami
 
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 08:29:53 PM »
Hi Ami,

I also had a loving Grandmother who was my rock. She knew that my M was abusing me, and always had my back. She lived in Canada, so I rarely saw her, but she wrote to me often, and would send me twenty dollar bills so I could buy food, She passed away about five years ago, and after she was gone, M’s abuse increased dramatically. From what I’ve read, this is common. When the N loses a parent, they no longer have an authority figure to keep them in check, so their behavior becomes worse.

As for my husband, he’s somewhat supportive. He has been quite controlling, forcing me to relocate from my home town, change jobs, etc., putting his own happiness before mine, always. But at least he is willing to talk these issues through with me, go to counseling with me, and try to help. A lesser person probably would have bailed by now. So while our marriage has been very strained, he does offer support with my family crap, and I know that’s asking a lot considering how bad it’s been.

I think you nailed it when you said your father looked good next to your mother. I can see that now. My father was a horrible parent, but compared to her, he was a king. Now it feels like someone has hit me over the head and made me see the truth, and it’s an awful truth, but if I keep giving him free passes, and keep making excuses for him, I’m only going to get hurt worse.

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2009, 09:49:25 PM »
 Kathy, I am in the same position with my F. At least we are not alone even though it is small consolation. When my oldest son was 14 months, I called my M and told her I was being abused. She said "Don't think you are coming here."
Then, for my entire marriage ,My M AND F  sided with my abusive H.
Honestly, Kathy, I don't feel that all this happened  to me.
Inside, I am the loved child of a M and F and the beloved wife of a H. However, it never worked out that way except in fantasy which I could never give up. That is probably why my life became such a mess.
 Anyway, my friend, for me I call on God, talk to him and trust  that He loves me, will take me to Heaven when this is all over and the end will be much better than the beginning.      Love  and a Big Hug , Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 07:46:51 AM »
Dear Kathy
 The hardest thing is seeing the truth but it is the only liberating thing. Have you ever been on the Alice Miller website? Her  work is for abused children(now adults)
 Her work(in a very small nutshell) is that if you can follow your true heart, you will find your truth and your feelings which you had to shut down  to survive.
When you find your true heart, you will be healthy. She says you need help in an Enlightened Witness, some person who will allow you to be real .Many people want to shut us down b/c it makes THEM too uncomfortable.
 Perhaps the hardest part of the whole thing is finding the Enlightened Witness.
 The Board was that for me until I found a person. However, you have to be careful that people can get upset if THEY are reminded of their unhealed past and then it can get really crazy.
  Your H does not sound like he is a true heart friend b/c he has too many of his own issues.         Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 10:35:45 AM »
Thanks Ami. I will look up Alice Miller's site.

I agree that H is wrapped up in his own issues. I think he may have some abuse (or at least bad parenting) in his own past, but won't share it with me. He has always tried to paint a picture of a perfect childhood, with perfect parents, but I can tell by some of his behavior that he's not totally leveling with me. I don't think he's trying to intentionally deceive me, but maybe has too much pride to confide in me that his "perfect mother" maybe wasn't so perfect. Who knows, he may have some N in him himself. He's very selfish and controlling, though selfish is much different from self-absorbed (which is what true Ns are). But yeah, he's not 100% there for me.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 10:39:55 AM »
Kathy:

I just reminded myself today of something that might help you out with the stress.

I cared more about my FOO and how they felt...
than I cared about myself.

But they didn't return this level/type of caring and I just assumed it was my fault; something wrong with me and that I could change myself and finally earn that type of caring. I was wrong. They simply don't have the ability to do this type of caring about others....

and nothing you say, feel, or do - including trying to be what you think they want you be - can change that.

My stress levels decreased dramatically, when I stopped putting all my energy (obsessively) into trying to get my FOO to care about me and started spending all that energy and emotion on myself - and people who do care about me, like your husband cares about you. That said, it's a messy process and feels really strange/uncomfortable initially. Don't worry! There's no right/wrong way to go about it. Just keep at it and you'll find what works for you.

((((((((Kathy ))))))))))
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 01:36:41 PM »
PS...

I almost forgot. They are counting on you caring more about them and if they care about you, than caring about yourself...
it is how they gain the control to make you miserable. It is, pure and simply, abuse. That word opened up a whole new way of looking at what happened to me... and was a giant boost to healing and getting better; stronger. The antidote word, was boundaries...

and I'll go out on a limb here and propose that all forms of self-sabotage are internalizations of the original/continued abuse situation blended up with with habits/beliefs about ourselves that somehow we deserve the abuse... that they wouldn't treat us like this, otherwise. That belief is based on the false premise that these people are "normal"... and can be expected to act like normal people... if only "I _______________________". Nope. Not reality; it's just a wish or a hope.

The lethal combination of blame/shame - believing we somehow deserve this - leads us to abuse ourselves (self-sabotage).... as punishment, a cry for help, revenge, resentment/anger that we can't express otherwise, and an attempt to control them back... to force them to be normal and care about us (denying the reality that this possible). One way that I manifested this, was in stress-related psychosomatic illnesses. It truly does start to go away, when you care about yourself FIRST.

Focus on YOU, healing and feeling better - not on them; who was right/wrong; and set a boundary of a time-limit on how much of your precious time/energy you'll spend on thinking/feeling things about them. Everyone has different tolerances... so what fits you... doesn't fit others. Some can spend forever sifting through the he said/she said and the horrible pain... some simply can't. There's no scale of what you "should" be able to handle... no ratings... no time limit on working it all through and letting it go.

NC as a concept has a whole continuum of amounts and boundaries... it's not just an all or nothing technique, or it doesn't have to be. There are lots of things you can do, to keep yourself from being triggered like you were. Someone posted a while back about "medium chill"... you should be able to search on that and find the posts. You still engage with the FOO... but in a detached fashion... tuning out certain things... refusing to discuss certain things.  The important thing in NC... is that YOU decide what is best for you... what works for you. And Caller ID, is often a helpful tool.
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 03:45:34 PM »
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I cared more about my FOO and how they felt...
than I cared about myself.

Phoenix, thanks so much for your words of wisdom. I quoted the above because it's dead on. I've been doing this all my life . . . caring more about how THEY felt than about my own health or feelings. And why? That's the one thing that is SO hard to understand. After years and years of abuse, I still care what they think, I still worry about hurting a father who treated me like yesterday's trash. Maybe it's because society tells us that we are to love our parents, no matter what. I just don't know, but I have to break free of that mindset.

And yes, caller ID is a very helpful tool, though I'm afraid I've been using it the wrong way. We know when it's my father calling (M refuses to call), and we always take the call because it's my father. Again, I have to ask myself why? I need to let my answering machine take some of the stress off of me.

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I almost forgot. They are counting on you caring more about them and if they care about you, than caring about yourself...

This is also VERY true. When my M was diagnosed with cancer, F asked me to send her a card. I sent the card, but I did it for HIM, because I wanted to make him happy. He called me and told me how much M loved the card. In reality, she probably burned it. What he was telling me was that HE was happy I sent the card. I was given an order, and I followed it, and that's all he cared about. My feelings never entered into it.

Oh man, this is SO hard, and it shouldn't be. I was abused. Period. Yet it's still so hard. I'm just so grateful for the sage advice I've received from the people here. It's helped me more than you'll ever know, and I appreciate it very VERY much.

Kathy

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 04:49:18 PM »
Dear Kathy
 I think one of the hardest things is really facing that we WERE abused. Alice Miller talks about this as one of the main reasons we stay feeling like abused people(ie abusing ourselves just like our abusers did). We simply cannot face that we really were not loved.
I am in a daze about it alot. I can't believe it really happened to me.
I didn't think you could have material advantages and still be abused. I didn't think if it was "emotional" and not physical that it was "real" abuse.
 I guess I made up excuses for my whole life so *I* would not have to be an abused person. I know I am still in denial. It sounds like you are going through a similar process.
 Just my two cents, if your H cannot really be a safe place for your heart, be circumspect.
It takes a person who has really faced their OWN pain not to hurt you when yours comes out, in  my experience.    Love   Ami
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 05:53:26 PM »
I'm so sorry you're suffering, Kathy.

The pain of being harmed and betrayed......

by those who're supposed to protect you....

is understandably devastating (unfair, horrific, demoralizing, egregious, nonsensical wrong and impossible to understand.)

That the pain's so powerful, after all these years, speaks to your expectations, IMO.

The saying goes:

It's hope that kills us.

Your father can't do any better....

not when you were 18.....

and not now.

If he could, he would.

You deserve better and it's not your fault.

I'm glad you have the love and support of your husband..... he seems to have perspective on your FOO.

Mo2


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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 11:01:46 PM »
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You deserve better and it's not your fault.

Thanks Mo. Wise words. No, it isn't my fault, but I have a box full of guilt ridden letters from M telling me that it WAS my fault. After 20 years of receiving letters like that, you can easily start to believe that you DID deserve it.

BUT, I was reading over some of those letters today. At the time I received them, I just sat and cried and cried, but years later, I can now look at them and see the textbook N mind at work. I think that it's helped me somewhat, to look at those letters from a more educated perspective, knowing what I know now about NPD that I didn't know then.

I think the main reason that I have been the target is that I was the oldest child. I was the first one to resist the control. My younger siblings saw what happened to me, and became little robots, probably because they didn't want to meet the same fate. But even though I was so badly abused, I have to say that I'm better off than them, because if I try, I can still break free of the torment and learn to move forward. I don't think that my codependent F, sister, and brother will ever be able to do that. My therapist always tells me to try to count my blessings, and maybe that's one of them. There is hope for me, because I'm a fighter. Maybe the rebellious side of me that made me their target in the first place can also set me free.

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 07:05:56 AM »
Dear ((Kathy))
 I had an insight in to your situation. Our F's are weak but NOT when it comes to hurting us. For example, he was strong NOT to give you the Emmy.
  He can be strong when he is defending the N and hurting you.
 I was thinking about it last night b/c my F is the same way.
 I never held him responsible b/c he was too weak BUT he could hurt me in a strong way to protect the NM. So, it is a selective weakness.
 My F  always wanted to be a writer. After college,he went to Ca. and wrote some screenplays for a TV series. He was getting a start in that business when his M brought him back so he could go to medical school---her dream.
He always regreted not being a writer.
My point is that your F was a creative person and successful and still ended up the same wimp.
            Ami
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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2009, 10:24:07 AM »
There is hope for me, because I'm a fighter. Maybe the rebellious side of me that made me their target in the first place can also set me free.




I think you're absolutely right, Kathy.

I also think your husband, your chosen family, is one of your great blessings.

About the conflicted feelings you have for your father.....

can you write a letter to him, scream, be angry and let everything out on paper, read it then write it again?

Read, write it again?

Until you've refined it down to the most basic emotions and have clarity?

You don't have to send it.

But I think your heart needs to write it.

((Kathy))

Remember to keep your expectations in line with the reality.

Your father is broken. 

You're not.

M02












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Re: Stress is affecting my health - go NC from codependent F?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 10:33:08 AM »
Kathy... one more adjustment on my "treatise" on caring (LOL!!)...

it will still be possible - maybe unavoidable -  to care about them. It helps to think about the marker on the caring continuum sliding over to caring more about you - just a little, then a little more... and still caring about them... just not as much as you care about you.

Not all situations need complete NC, in other words. But that's for you to decide isn't it?
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