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Are there ANY men out there like me who survived and thrived?
« on: August 20, 2009, 08:07:36 AM »
If anyone knows ANY man, just one, who fits my profile and got past it, please send them my way, and soon.

Ladies, I appreciate your encouragement I really do but I NEED some man whos been there done that to show me the way. This whole thing is beginning to come into focus for me. Men raised as boys without a male role model to take the attention of mom off them are in deep deep doo doo. Strong women have the sense to get out of the way a little. Lebron James was raised in a hellish, poverty stricken environment. His mother often didn't know where there next meal was coming from. But she had the sense, and strength, not to hunker down, take welfare and smother her kid. She let uncles and coaches and other people look after her son while she looked for work. She didn't smother him and look where he is today. Forget the fame and fortune, I see in his interviews with his kids around that he made it. He's strong emotionally and his kids love him genuinely, all without his father around.

The key is the strength of the mother. Mine happened to have none. I pulled the strings and that my friends, creates a monster. Most, if not all, men that came up like I did, are in prison or six feet under at 37 yrs old. I am trying so hard to just stay alive. I've become very reclusive, even around my own kids and wife, keeping my nose in a book or working on the car and motorcycles. I'm eat up with the fear of the world that my crazy mother (and grandmother) put into me.

She got that fear from a father who sexually abused her and a mother that preferred her brother. She was never seen and appreciated. Her mother and father surely had the same situation growing up to some degree. My father had polio, was the youngest of 3, and was babied by his well-meaning mother while his father worked all the time and who said, I'll make the money, you take care of the kids.

I'm the unfortunate product of these two people running into each other in adolescence and finding comfort in each others arms sexually but had absolutely no business having a child. My only sibling is a half brother on my dads side who I didn't grow up with, he lived with my father. He's now in prison for sexual abuse of a minor. I can only imagine the hell he grew up with, living with my fathers alcoholic temper tantrums.

I'm not a violent person toward others because I didn't grow up with it. I will walk away from a confrontation with a man because I learned in high school what I will do in a rage and have never hit a woman. I just didn't see that growing up so its not a part of me. But I'm all about me to the n'th degree and that has gotten old.

Folks, I know I'm no different than thousands of other boys who are now men and either incarcerated, tyrants in their own home, homeless walking the streets or dead. I just happen to have enough IQ and comprehension skills to realize where I am. Alot of these men are needing the same thing, they just gave up on trying.

Someone please tell me, no, specifically some man please show me, that this can be overcome. That after putting people on the moon, mapping genes, building skyscrapers, etc. that there is some therapy or something that can pull a man out of the downward spiral.

Hanging on waiting for a miracle,

RS


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Re: Are there ANY men out there like me who survived and thrived?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 10:16:03 AM »
There was a man on here who fits some of your description--- Papillion.
You can check out his posts if you look under Members List. If you do ,let me know what you think.       Ami



PS With Papillion, I can see that great suffering produced great compassion and beauty when it got to the end.
 
« Last Edit: August 20, 2009, 11:16:00 AM by Ami »
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Re: Are there ANY men out there like me who survived and thrived?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 11:34:50 AM »
If anyone knows ANY man, just one, who fits my profile and got past it, please send them my way, and soon.

Ladies, I appreciate your encouragement I really do but I NEED some man whos been there done that to show me the way. This whole thing is beginning to come into focus for me. Men raised as boys without a male role model to take the attention of mom off them are in deep deep doo doo. Strong women have the sense to get out of the way a little. Lebron James was raised in a hellish, poverty stricken environment. His mother often didn't know where there next meal was coming from. But she had the sense, and strength, not to hunker down, take welfare and smother her kid. She let uncles and coaches and other people look after her son while she looked for work. She didn't smother him and look where he is today. Forget the fame and fortune, I see in his interviews with his kids around that he made it. He's strong emotionally and his kids love him genuinely, all without his father around.

The key is the strength of the mother. Mine happened to have none. I pulled the strings and that my friends, creates a monster. Most, if not all, men that came up like I did, are in prison or six feet under at 37 yrs old. I am trying so hard to just stay alive. I've become very reclusive, even around my own kids and wife, keeping my nose in a book or working on the car and motorcycles. I'm eat up with the fear of the world that my crazy mother (and grandmother) put into me.

She got that fear from a father who sexually abused her and a mother that preferred her brother. She was never seen and appreciated. Her mother and father surely had the same situation growing up to some degree. My father had polio, was the youngest of 3, and was babied by his well-meaning mother while his father worked all the time and who said, I'll make the money, you take care of the kids.

I'm the unfortunate product of these two people running into each other in adolescence and finding comfort in each others arms sexually but had absolutely no business having a child. My only sibling is a half brother on my dads side who I didn't grow up with, he lived with my father. He's now in prison for sexual abuse of a minor. I can only imagine the hell he grew up with, living with my fathers alcoholic temper tantrums.

I'm not a violent person toward others because I didn't grow up with it. I will walk away from a confrontation with a man because I learned in high school what I will do in a rage and have never hit a woman. I just didn't see that growing up so its not a part of me. But I'm all about me to the n'th degree and that has gotten old.

Folks, I know I'm no different than thousands of other boys who are now men and either incarcerated, tyrants in their own home, homeless walking the streets or dead. I just happen to have enough IQ and comprehension skills to realize where I am. Alot of these men are needing the same thing, they just gave up on trying.

Someone please tell me, no, specifically some man please show me, that this can be overcome. That after putting people on the moon, mapping genes, building skyscrapers, etc. that there is some therapy or something that can pull a man out of the downward spiral.

Hanging on waiting for a miracle,

RS



Hi, RS.

I'm hoping this suggestion might help....Dr. G is also a Survivor of an N.  Have you been able to read his essays?  He also monitors the board.  Just a thought or two....

Bones
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Re: Are there ANY men out there like me who survived and thrived?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 07:11:53 AM »
Dear CB
 I think that if RS needs to find a man who lived what he did  and survived and  thrived that is his vision for the next step in his healing.(I don't like the use of the word victim .It sounds pejorative to me but you probabaly didn't mean it that way)
 That is his goal as a legitimate way out---a vision. He has a vision of healing. That is important when one has been close to suicidal. One's vision is a very,very important step out
 I know you are not trying to undermine his vision. I am not saying that but I think that his goals and vision for healing are THE most important thing--not yours or mine---his.
 He has expressed them and it is very important for people to respect that in his( and anyone's healing).
 One's own  gut knows the way for oneself.
        Ami

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Re: Are there ANY men out there like me who survived and thrived?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 07:21:05 AM »
Thanks for your perspective, Ami.

I hope my comments are helpful to Poly and if I was unclear, maybe I can clarify them for him.  Sorry you were triggered by the victim word.  The wounds we have sustained sometimes leave tender places.

Hope you are doing well...havent talked to you in a while.

CB
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Re: Are there ANY men out there like me who survived and thrived?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 07:29:51 AM »
Yeah, my whole idea behind finding a guy who's been through my situation is really just to get an example to follow to give me hope. It's no interesting how these things play out. My neighbor (Scott) was raised by his father after his drunk mother left and he is a very patient 'manly' guy with other men and great with kids but follows his girlfriend around like  whipped puppy. It's like he got the guy stuff put in him and now is destined to follow women around looking for mom's approval he never got.

Anyway, thanks for the book reference and as to the 'victim' thing, no offense taken.

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 07:30:24 AM »
CB, Wild At Heart looks interesting. I might buy it for myself, being a little male-brained as i think I may be. Thanks.

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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 07:32:05 AM »
Thank you for your graciousness, CB. My reality has been stolen from me for my whole life beginning with my NM, of course ,so I may be sensitive to something which was nothing of the kind.               Ami
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 07:33:30 AM »
It is really nice that we can all dialogue in a respectful ,supportive manner!               Ami
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2009, 07:39:07 AM »
Dear RS,
 When you talk about the guy being whipped by the girlfriend, I think this is a common fear  I have always had male friends and most of them struggle with the push/pull of wanting to be close to a woman but fearing anniilahation(sp?) at the same time where they will be so caught up with the woman that they will dissolve.       Ami
 
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Re: Are there ANY men out there like me who survived and thrived?
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 08:22:14 AM »
Yeah, its such a fine high-wire act and I'm not sure if we can learn it if we weren't given it.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 08:42:18 AM »
I think that all people(I assume even the healthiest) struggle with intimacy. There is the push to connect and the pull NOT to be swallowed up.
 I was listening to a physicist talk about complicated  formulas in physics. The moderator asked him,"What would you MOST like to know about the universe? He said,"How to have a lasting long term relationship."
  For me, my mental health comes before any relationship cuz it won't work otherwise.
  I really ,really want to love myself and walk in peace and honor with myself.
 This has to be the first step, I think.         Ami
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 08:53:47 AM »
I think that men who are self-aware, as you are Poly, are probably the most successful at navigating this rough water.  Just because you are being tossed about a bit in the squall, doesnt mean you wont reach shore.

I hear you there, however my basic foundational problem would be hyper-self awareness. My second-guessing and anxiety over the smallest of decisions (which shirt, what to pick up first) stems, in my belief, from not being allowed to make decisions plus spoiling. I want it all, both things I look at and now, very addictive. I never did hard drugs because deep down I knew what they could do, but boy could I metabolize alcohol.

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 09:01:45 AM »
I think James,in his posts, talks about some of the things you brought up. He was talking about sexual abuse in some of them but also about trying to navigate life with  similar issues , it seemed .
    Ami
« Last Edit: August 21, 2009, 09:11:09 AM by Ami »
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2009, 10:21:54 AM »
Polymath, thanks for this thread.

I've influenced something in my life directly today because of things I've read here. It doesn't involve me, but an adventure time has been arranged for this weekend, and that's hugely important to people i care about, right now. The timing is amazing. Talk about a 'result'! Thank you.