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Twoapenny

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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2009, 12:09:52 PM »
((((((((((((((((Bones))))))))))))))))))))))) thank you, it means a lot and helps a lot  :D

Hops, thank you too  :D  The photo of him is one I took.  Our whole set up at home after he moved in was weird, and accepted.  He spent a lot of time walking around naked, with an erection.  He'd encourage all of us to take pictures, it was like a game.  Some people play charades after dinner, in our house he'd make himself 'comfortable'.  He and my mum spent hours having sex so loud you could hear them from outside the house.  It went on through the night and weekends they'd spend all day in bed.  He kissed and groped me whenever he felt like it.  It was never secret, or furtive - it was so open and 'ordinary' that I had no idea it was inappropriate.  Myself, my mum and my sister were like his harem - he did what he wanted, when he wanted, where he wanted.  I have fractured memories about much more serious things.  They are tiny flashes in my head:  it's impossible for me to say whether or not I was raped by him because my memory is too hazy.  All of my early sexual experiences -first kiss, first man who saw me naked, first man I saw naked, first erection I ever saw - were with my step-dad.  The whole set up at home was (and is) way too far away from what most people think is normal.  I'm not prudish and I think being open and honest with your children about sex is a good thing, but what went on in our house was weird and very damaging.  I still doubt myself - I'm making a fuss, it was nothing, it was only larking around, I should have said if I didn't like it and so on - but my T always says "would you let someone do that in front of your son?"  And my answer is always no.

Thank you for what you wrote.  I hope my mum backs off.  It would be nice!   I know it's not easy to get a conviction about something that happened long ago but I feel that, even if it was just me and he's never done it to anyone else, at least it's on record now and he'll know how I feel about it now.  It feels like the right thing to do, even though it scares me half to death! 

Thanks again to everyone  :D

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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2009, 12:14:30 PM »
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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2009, 11:31:08 AM »
Hi Bones and thanks (((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))

I've heard nothing at all from the police yet about making a statement.  I've no idea whether this is normal or a sign of how things are going.  I could call them but a bit of me feels like I couldn't deal with bad news at the minute (ie they're not going to take any action) and I keep putting the phone down again before I dial!  Might just wait till the end of the week.  All feels a bit up in the air.

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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2009, 12:17:20 PM »
Twoapenny,

Your description of what went on in your household while you were growing up made me feel really really sad --- especially the part where you felt that it was normal. I just want to support your perception that it was NOT NOT NOT normal.

Although obviously I am on this forum because I have had to deal with maternal narcissism, my dad was not narcissistic and, several years after his death, I am discovering that he actually exerted quite a lot of control over my mother. After his death, she became a lot worse ... until I took a cue from Dad's book and started confronting her when she acted badly. She seems to have gone back into the closet, for the time being at least. Anyway, my dad was a very strong man although he had some issues himself.

The reason I'm saying this is to say I think my dad maintained good boundaries with regards to sexuality. Some might even think he was prudish, but thank God he erred on the side of modesty instead of what you went through. It was the rule that (from about the age of 10 or 11) I wore a robe over my nightgown or slip when outside my room. He left the room once when a Hallmark special was showing a colt being born on TV ... even though he was a cattleman and had delivered calves and colts himself. He always had jeans with a belt hung near the bed, and put them on if he had to get up at night. I didn't have brothers or other young male relatives, so I wasn't real sure what male genitalia looked like until I was about 11 and I think saw a statue or something. He loved his grandchildren but NEVER even asked to touch my tummy while I was carrying them.

Some people might think he was prudish, but I tell you this to affirm to you that what you lived through was NOT RIGHT and it was NOT NORMAL. I have a healthy sex life with my husband and I think have a healthy attitude toward sex, and so my dad's attitude of modesty did not make me embarrassed or ashamed about sex. Instead, I think it kept me from a lot of confusion.

My dad had trouble with emotional boundaries --- he never quit trying to solve my problems and wrap me in cotton-wool --- but IMO that type of boundary issue is easier to deal with than sexual issues.

Again, I am so sorry that you had to live through that nightmare. I know that you have already stated you know now that what you lived through was abusive, but I just wanted to support your perceptions completely. Some people have said that sexual abuse is the worst, because you feel in your heart that what is happening is wrong, but the perpetrator says it's OK --- but then does everything possible to keep it secret. In your case the abuse was compounded by your mother who was in collusion with the perpetrator. In fact, I would call her a perpetrator herself.

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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2009, 12:25:39 PM »
Hi Heart,

Thank you so much for what you wrote.  I don't think your dad sounds prudish at all - he sounds like he knows how to act around children, especially girls!  My real dad was like that - I never once saw him undressed and even when he was in hospital dying he still got up and put his dressing gown and slippers on before he let us go in to see him.  I don't think there's anything wrong with being modest - it's much better than seeing too much.

I hope I am striking the right balance with my own son.  I don't expect my parents to be perfect, or anything close to it, but what they did was really weird.  I'm starting to tell more people and what I am getting is gasps of horror - so I'm starting to understand that other people think it's bad as well.

Thank you for what you wrote, it does help.  I can't even say my parents were very open about sex, because they weren't.  They never talked to us about it or sat down and did the 'birds and the bees' bit.  I learnt about menstruation from the instruction booklet in my mum's box of tampons and when I started having boyfriends they never sat me down to talk about relationships or sex.  I think my perceptions of sex have been far from normal for a long time but thankfully I am starting to see things differently now.

Thanks again, it means a lot.

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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2009, 04:49:13 PM »


((Twoapenny))

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This can leave you so confused. As a child, about 8 I was sexually abused by my brother inlaw.

Thankfully for my own sanity my own father did not abuse me. He also was dressed or in a robe for bedtime.

Sadly, when my father was terminal with cancer I couldn't bathe him, or change him after an accident. We have a large family and my mother and oldest sister did take on this care. My brothers were basically useless.
I loved him so much but was to scarred and did not want him to be in that part of my mind ever. So I cared in all and any ways I could except for that.

Twoapenny, You are amazingly, loving and brave. Your son is very blessed to have you.
Wishing only the best in your fight for you and your son. I'm deeply sorry for the pain you have suffered.  seasons
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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2009, 08:46:33 PM »
Oh (((Seasons))), I am sorry you went through that. It does a number to your sense of self.
(((Twoapenny))) I am sorry for all you endured. Trust yourself and keep believing your OWN heart over your M or anyone else.
                        xxxxxoooo    Ami
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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2009, 01:04:55 PM »
Hi Seasons,

I'm so sorry you went through such a horrible thing.  It's the after effects that are so bad - not being able to care for your father the way you wanted to is so tough to deal with.  Thank you for everything you wrote, I really appreciate it, although I'm sorry you've been through the same sort of thing.  My boy gave me the most beautiful smile today in the park and moments like those make everything else worth while  :D  He's just adorable.

Hi Ami, and thank you again for your kind words and wishes, it helps a lot and I keep reading and re-reading the thread to keep my mind positive!  It helps get through difficult patches so thank you to everybody ((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2009, 04:26:37 PM »
Hi Seasons,

I'm so sorry you went through such a horrible thing.  It's the after effects that are so bad - not being able to care for your father the way you wanted to is so tough to deal with.  Thank you for everything you wrote, I really appreciate it, although I'm sorry you've been through the same sort of thing.  My boy gave me the most beautiful smile today in the park and moments like those make everything else worth while  :D  He's just adorable.

Hi Ami, and thank you again for your kind words and wishes, it helps a lot and I keep reading and re-reading the thread to keep my mind positive!  It helps get through difficult patches so thank you to everybody ((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

My M molested me so I am in the "group" of people who were effected by this. It really puts your self esteem in the toilet. I think you are doing really, really well.
 I am sending strength and camaraderie to you !                  xxoo  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2009, 04:54:34 PM »
((((((((((((((((Bones))))))))))))))))))))))) thank you, it means a lot and helps a lot  :D

Hops, thank you too  :D  The photo of him is one I took.  Our whole set up at home after he moved in was weird, and accepted.  He spent a lot of time walking around naked, with an erection.  He'd encourage all of us to take pictures, it was like a game.  Some people play charades after dinner, in our house he'd make himself 'comfortable'.  He and my mum spent hours having sex so loud you could hear them from outside the house.  It went on through the night and weekends they'd spend all day in bed.  He kissed and groped me whenever he felt like it.  It was never secret, or furtive - it was so open and 'ordinary' that I had no idea it was inappropriate.  Myself, my mum and my sister were like his harem - he did what he wanted, when he wanted, where he wanted.  I have fractured memories about much more serious things.  They are tiny flashes in my head:  it's impossible for me to say whether or not I was raped by him because my memory is too hazy.  All of my early sexual experiences -first kiss, first man who saw me naked, first man I saw naked, first erection I ever saw - were with my step-dad.  The whole set up at home was (and is) way too far away from what most people think is normal.  I'm not prudish and I think being open and honest with your children about sex is a good thing, but what went on in our house was weird and very damaging.  I still doubt myself - I'm making a fuss, it was nothing, it was only larking around, I should have said if I didn't like it and so on - but my T always says "would you let someone do that in front of your son?"  And my answer is always no.

Thank you for what you wrote.  I hope my mum backs off.  It would be nice!   I know it's not easy to get a conviction about something that happened long ago but I feel that, even if it was just me and he's never done it to anyone else, at least it's on record now and he'll know how I feel about it now.  It feels like the right thing to do, even though it scares me half to death! 

Thanks again to everyone  :D

You are so brave to be sharing this, and I am terribly sorry that you had to go through that.


It's great to have a place like this to share this at.  Your story also helps us who went through the same thing...

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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2009, 10:14:54 AM »
Thanks Ami, NLS and everyone else, so sorry that so many people have been through or are going through similar.  The police have called and I have to make a statement later in the week; I am terrified but I'm not backing down now - I'm just going to cross my fingers that it doesn't get too messy on the other side.  I've already been to my GP and had her record that I am perfectly sane and not suffering from some sort of delusional illness which is what my mum usually alleges if I cross her, so I feel that if she does make any false accusations against me I can nip them in the bud quickly.

Taking lots of deep breaths and rescue remedy!  Thanks to everyone for your support through this.

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2009, 10:18:57 AM »
They always want to make YOU feel you are crazy. I hate that! You are doing GREAAAAAT!                  xxoo  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2009, 11:16:26 AM »
Twopenny:

I know the feeling of procrastination, when it comes to dialing the police.

However, you seem to have made a connection with one of the officers.

Please cosider touching base with him.... do you have a number?

Whatever you do, there will be those who cast a disparaging light on it..... expect this and don't let it get under your skin. 

If you don't call, your case may get lost in all the other cases going.

If you do call, tell him you have questions written down you'd like to discuss.  Does he have time?  If so, discuss.  If not, when can you get back to him?

I forget if you have an order of protection against your mother and step father.  If not, is it time to get one?

This order should include their discussing you and your son with anyone.  They shouldn't contact your family and ask them to contact you, they shouldn't be able to contact you by phone or computer, either.  If they do, you must report it so it's recorded.

Deal with what's in front of you.  Keep your head where your feet are.  Remember self care rituals and remaining steady for your child.

These are the important things,here and now.

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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2009, 01:04:18 PM »
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Re: I can't believe she did this
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2009, 04:40:16 PM »
Oh lordy.  You have the strength of ten million universes!  I can't imagine what you are going through......

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All the best to you.  What goes around comes around.


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