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KateW

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Strength to tell N Mom I'm not visiting for Xmas
« on: October 14, 2004, 07:55:57 PM »
Every year the holidays are an absolute nightmare for me due to my N Mom. Last year my husband and I didn't spend Xmas with my divorced mom and my N sister and her family because my dad was visiting from Australia (and who I hadn't spent Xmas with for 13 years!) She of course raised a huge stink and couldn't believe that I would spend Xmas with him after all he's "done to her".. etc etc ...very irrational. So that was a huge blowout.  We haven't talked about it much since except for on my last visit when she asked, "What are your plans for the holidays? Last year was REALLY DISAPPOINTING to me that you weren't here for Xmas". I told her I didn't know yet as my husband and I hadn't discussed it. My husband and I decided we would compromise and go to her house (dread) for Thanksgiving and spend Xmas at our home. He's put his foot down and will not go up there for Xmas because either my mom or sister behaves badly each time and he refuses to have his Xmas ruined - he tried it for about 7 years and finally gave up.  My question is, how do I approach this with my mother? Just say we have decided we want to spend Christmas at our house? It's going to be a nightmare! I've told her before that my Christmases with the family have not been enjoyable due to all the family conflict and she got all dramatic about it - about how she always spends Christmas with HER mother and she would never do that, blah blah. Am I a bad person for just wanting to be home with my husband?

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Strength to tell N Mom I'm not visiting for Xmas
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2004, 08:18:25 PM »
KateW,

Of course you aren't a bad person. You're an adult who gets to spend Christmas wherever you want. People with non-N parents sometimes go to Hawaii, or skiing for Xmas. Their parents are happy for them! Your mother/sister are little babies who make demands that are selfish.

I would simply say, "I've talked about it with Egbert and we've DECIDED to have Christmas at our house." (note this is a statement) If all hell breaks loose, do not try to fix, placate, do damage control, etc. Stand your ground. This is the only way she will learn that you're an adult who does whatever the hell you want -- because that's what adults do. They decide what is their obligation to themselves, to their marriage, to their parents, and act accordingly. Any narcissists in the picture are free to pitch a fit if they choose.

And yes, I have stood up to my mom. I told her years ago that I wasn't going to Rosh Hashanah services when she asked if we wanted tickets. This went over like a lead balloon at the time. But guess what, she doesn't even bring it up now!

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2004, 08:49:38 PM »
Hi Kate,

Yes, Ns will say anything to get the effect they want.  I'll bet she didn't spend every holiday with her mother...like Bunny says, stand your ground.  It's time you form your own traditions anyway.  Let them mess up their own holidays with each other.  The great thing about not spending christmas with my psycho NSIL is knowing that she has fewer people to dump on during the holidays.  You can be there to catch it or be somewhere else and let them fling it at the walls.  Let them keep their "stuff" for themselves.  Good luck.  It's hard to break the habit, but that's what it is.  Seeker.

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2004, 09:53:06 PM »
Hi KateW,

Your situation seems so familiar to me....

One can consider that last Christmas as breaking in your mom for what is to come. Have you considered having your husband break the news to your mom? If that doesn't feel right, a person could just bite the bullet and tell her in as positive of a manner as possible. Something like - we would love to spend Thanksgiving with you and this year we are staying home for a quiet Christmas with just the two of us (or however big your immediate family) or - and we are going skiing for Christmas, etc.  It did get easier for me as the years went by by just holding to our family's boundary.  The last  Christmas we spent with them was approximately ten + years ago. Expect to keep having to put up the boundary for sometime, if your mom is like mine. Keep standing firm.

As a compromise, we used to have a visit before Christmas with my parents to exchange gifts with them or afterwards on New Years Day. That way we had our own special time at home with our immediate family for the "real" Christmas celebration. You may not want to do this, it just helped me feel less badly at that time.

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 08:00:55 AM »
I know exactly how you feel. I boycotted Christmas last year with my Nmother and it was the best thing I could do. Between her sending out a really strange email invite to everyone saying that we should get the chance to know each other now and not at her funeral, and inviting my father whom she HATES and had recently sued. She only invited him to show off her home and how her husband is at her beck and call. There's a lot more involved there, but I called her on it and told her that I did not want to spend my Christmas in a lie. I haven't spoken to her since last holiday season and it's been the best year ever.

Just tell her. Be firm and let her go off the handle. What is she going to do? Make things uncomfortable or difficult? Just hang up the phone. She can't hurt you if you don't talk to her. This year I'm actually excited about the Holidays. Last year was a nightmare and I spent the entire time in a funky mood because I knew what the outcome was going to be. When I decided that I didn't want to be a part of that outcome is when things really started to improve for me.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 11:06:16 AM »
Hello – I am new here and I am just now (at the tender age of 48!) awakening to the possibility that for my entire life I have been dealing with an nMother.  I will try and write a bit more of an introduction in another post – but this Christmas thread really REALLY hit home.

BTW, I am amazed at how difficult it is to key in these words, it’s like I am betraying my family by even thinking some of these things, never mind writing them.

Attending Christmas is non-negotiable in our family. Period. For years my husband, young son and I traveled 2 hours to visit my husband’s parents and have dinner with them at noon and drive 2 hours back to my folk’s home to have yet another Christmas dinner and “present session”. We were to pretend that we had not had dinner elsewhere.  It was exhausting, overly tiring for a young child, but it was unthinkable that we would not attend.

Christmas goes down like this: You WILL arrive at the family home as early in the day as humanly possible. You WILL overspend horribly on a car-load of gifts because Christmas is about looking at a sea of beautifully wrapped presents (don’t ever forget the ribbon and bows) all over the living room floor and marveling at the sight (and then mom’s inevitable chiding – you guys have OVERDONE Christmas this year -- she will say that at least 25 times throughout the day) You WILL spend a great deal of the day praising Mother for her super-human, single-handed effort in preparing a lavish dinner of two or three main courses and about 15 too many desserts. She begins planning dinner in October and will ask at every opportunity “what vegetables do you want for Christmas dinner” (it’s always the same ones anyway). You WILL show sincere surprise and be incredibly grateful for the rather odd and very costly presents, (most of which will never be used) and compliment her for weeks on her splendid taste and almost psychic ability to know what you wanted.

By July or so, the credit card balance from your Christmas shopping will be almost paid down and you can start shopping again by September.  At this time of year my anxiety levels increase by the week.

The irony of this whole charade is that no one in my family is in the slightest way religious!  There is no celebration of the birth of Christ – when it comes down to it, it’s a day of over-indulgence and praising mother and presenting her with gifts to show your appreciation.  The look that she gets on her face when she talks about presents is just unbelievable - rapture would be closest I can come to describing it.

Any small amount of joy I had at Christmastime died for me when I was 14 years old. That year I asked for a small stereo to put in my room. Nothing fancy – a radio and cheap turntable unit. Frankly I would have been thrilled with a secondhand record player and a transistor.  It was 1970 and I was crazy about music and the only record player/radio we had was one of those huge consoles that sat in the living room.  I could not use it in the evening as the family was watching TV (I hated most television programs so would read in my room). It was the one thing I ever really asked for and truly wanted.  

On Christmas morning, I awoke to a large box under the tree for me and I just KNEW it was my record player... mother had a peculiar expression and smile on her face that I will never forget. She was excited and told me to open it.  Under the fancy paper was a stereo box – and it was a better than the one I had hoped for.  I looked inside and there sat... a small portable typewriter.

At some point, my parents had decided that my lot in life was to be a secretary – and this was the machine that would give me a head start to my career (lucky me!)  I had no idea they had planned this “career” for me until that day. It was like giving a bicycle to a trout and I suppose I had the same expression on my face – just blank. It would be a huge mistake to show disappointment on Christmas morning – ungrateful and rude – so I did the best I could to suck it up. But I guess I was mostly stunned all day.

For years and years after that, my Mother would tell anyone -- company, relatives, boyfriends -- this story and how my face looked when I opened that box.  It was humiliating, being forced to relive that moment over and over and I began to hate all things Christmas.

The one thing that haunts me is the effort that went into this deception. I told myself for years the box was a coincidence, but it wasn’t. My mother (or father, or both) had to go out of their way to find that freaking stereo box to hide the typewriter in.  There was no electronics store within miles of our house. It took effort and planning to come up with this stunt.  What kind of people would do this to a kid (and laugh about it for years)???

Anyway, I have rambled. But it feels pretty good!  

KateW – I wish you the best in making your decision. I know how hard it is.

If no one objects, I’ll use the screen name Mariposa

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 11:26:09 AM »
Hello Mariposa,

Welcome to the board.  And congratulations for your courage in posting your story.  My heart breaks for you.  It amazes me how some people can be so cruel on a day that is supposed to be about generosity of spirit.  

Do you still attend holidays with them?   :(  

I am in my forties and coming to realize finally that I can write some of the rules now that I am an adult.  But it doesn't come to me easily and I have to consciously remind myself of that.  I am encouraged by the boycotting guest's post.  

Holiday hugs to you all, Seeker

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 11:59:15 AM »
Hi Kate and Mariposa and all,

I'd like to say welcome and to thank you for posting your stories. You have no idea how strengthening it is to hear that others have gone through and are going through some of this same kind of insanity. Mariposa, I also had to deal with feelings of betrayal in writing about this stuff. I had been told since forever what a saint my Nmother was, and I thought a lightening bolt was going to strike me for speaking out.

My mother also turned Christmas into a gift wrapped extravaganza, but it wasn't out of generosity it was because she loved to shop. Buying things is her drug of choice. Doesn't matter what the thing is. For years I felt so guilty for not being more appreciative of her "generosity" until I realized she gave little thought to the recipient, it was all about the buying. I can really identify with the typewriter story. My  mother also loves to relive my mistakes and whatever moments of embarrassment that she managed to witness. There weren't that many; I learned not to expose my feelings at a very early age.

Kate, I think you've received very good advice here. I'm still trying to learn how not to bend to the will of the N; it's hard to break the pattern of a lifetime. Standing up for your rights as a person is much easier said than done, but recognizing that your Nmother is not unique is a big step in the right direction.

Singer

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 12:45:35 PM »
Mariposa,

Your mother (and father) sound quite sadistic. I hope you will return the favor by NOT going to their house this Christmas. They might get masochistic pleasure from your absence, so don't worry about harming them. I know they'll survive. Ns never keel over from boundary setting. They just get angry and frankly, who cares. I'm 47 and I still feel anxiety about my mother's anger but now I get over it very fast!

bunny

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 01:47:13 PM »
Nice to meet you Seeker and Singer and Bunny:

Seeker: My father passed a couple of years ago and Christmas became more than ever a must-be-there event now that mother sings the “poor frail widow in her late 80's with nothing left in the world but her kids and grandkids” song. There is less hoopla and food and for the first time I have been allowed to contribute to the meal -- but it’s still the same dance, different steps.

I guarantee there would be such severe repercussions if we declined, that it would not be sane to do so. When I consider the cost/benefit ratio, I can see no option but to go especially since my sister has stepped into the role of pitbull protector of her mommy. In time (and considering her age, we are talking a year, or a few years, not decades) I have promised myself that Christmas will be best spent in a warm, tropical place.  And I think I’ll buy myself that stereo this year  :D

Singer: Thanks for letting me know I’m not alone in this horrible feeling when I write about my family and my experiences. How draining! and I am still expecting a bolt of lightning to strike me dead for this!

Bunny: Sadistic... possibly. Total lack of empathy... absolutely.  Twisted sense of humor or perhaps honestly believing I would like the gift they gave me much more.... who knows? Or maybe it’s me that is the  ungrateful, spoiled child that didn't get what she wanted, but something she needed.  It has been a very, very short time since I have made the decision to try to understand my family and my life – it’s pretty confusing.  All I know right now is that talking about it feels right.

I will try to put another post together over the weekend so I do not derail KateW’s thread (sorry Kate).  

Mariposa

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 02:45:33 PM »
Hi all,

Thanks all for your support and suggestions.  Flower, that's a good idea going up a week or so before - once I tried that - made the effort to bring all the gifts and stay for the weekend and guess what my mom said - "We're not having anything nice for dinner since we're having that next week for Christmas and you won't be here". Can you believe that?! Nothing I do is ever good enough.  I coudn't believe last year when we had our big blowup about me spending Xmas with my dad and all she could think about was herself and how HER needs weren't being met and how I should support her because of all the bad things he did to her and not spend Xmas with him. I told her that was between the two of them and that she should be happy as my mother that I get to spend it with my dad. No, I am betraying her. Then, get this. I called her on Xmas day to say Merry Christmas and she went on and on about how terrible it was what I was doing. I feel like I am dealing with an insane person.  It's like she has this fantasy that Xmas should be so great with all the family when the reality is nobody gets along and my Nsister is insane (on painkillers and various drugs as she has been for 20 years). It's like she doesn't even notice or acknowledge my sister's bizarre behavior.

Now she is attacking my political beliefs every chance she can get - can she not accept the fact that I am 37 years old and entitled to my own opinion? It drives her crazy that she can't control my mind and beliefs.

Have any of you ever heard this? When I was a teenager and she was laying her guilt trips I would say "Mom, you're making me fee guilty". She would reply, "Kate, only YOU can make yourself feel guilty". She hasn't tried that on me for years because last she did I told her I was too old to fall for that crap (excuse the language).

You guys are right - I am an adult and I should be able to do what I please. My husband's parents are happy when we get to spend the holidays doing what we want. It is so weird how this whole guilt thing permeates my mind -  it strengthens me to get all of the support.  Welcome Mariposa - this board really helps.

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2004, 04:43:15 PM »
Hi all,
Holidays are the most painful situations for loved ones of Ns I think. Since we live 2000 miles from family, we never considered being there for the holidays - what a relief! We started skiing for Thanksgiving and I remember 1 year I called Nparents to wish them happy Thanksgiving and Nmom whined on the phone that they weren't having Thanksgiving that year. She said no one came home, it was only her, Ndad, and my niece (sister, long story), and she said she was making bologna sandwiches because they had no reason to recognize the holiday without all of us there.

I felt guilty, just as she planned for about 30 minutes. Then I realized - it's HER Problem! Not Mine! We were 2000 miles away from family and came up with a plan to keep us happy for the holidays. If we could learn to adjust, so would she have to.

We don't communicate anymore, but holidays up to this year have been the same. I call - in a good mood, she whines, puts me in a bad mood, ruins holiday in 30 seconds flat. Period. We don't let that happen anymore.

Last year we went to visit H's family on the east coast for Thanksgiving. I actually bragged to Nmom how we were having so much fun. We were only a few states from them and I'm sure she felt jealuous that we were visiting his family and not her. But that was my choice. I refuse to ruin any more holidays because of Nparents.

I sincerely hope those of you struggling with this issue can come to peace with it soon. Life is just too short to keep forcing ourselves to be miserable to make someone else happy who's life goal is to keep us miserable!

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2004, 05:37:42 PM »
Bunny - I forgot to say thank you in my last post for your words of advice - you are so right.

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2004, 09:35:46 PM »
Hi Everyone,
I just have a minute, but just had to say to
Mariposa : Me too - exactly word for word - your story could be mine at Christmas - except in my fancy stereo box was a GLOBE!!! A Globe!!!  To this day, and I'm a bit older than you, my jaw still drops - they gave me a freakin GLOBE!!!  Their only kid, and they buy me A freakin GLOBE!!!  I still  haven't gotten over it!!!
If nothing else, I hope it makes you all laugh at how pathetic these NParents can be.....
More later, when I get a chance -
but I have to say that I am so thankful to have found and to be a part of this wonderful group. Hugs and thanks to you all - you are keeping me sane!!!
~ OnlyMe

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2004, 12:00:14 AM »
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Hi all,

Thanks all for your support and suggestions.  Flower, that's a good idea going up a week or so before - once I tried that - made the effort to bring all the gifts and stay for the weekend and guess what my mom said - "We're not having anything nice for dinner since we're having that next week for Christmas and you won't be here". Can you believe that?! Nothing I do is ever good enough.



I believe it! And as my husband's old prospector grandfather from the southwest used to say, "Can't please everyone, might as well please yourself." So a person can do what would seem acceptable to a reasonable adult and let the chips fall where they may. IMO

My mom (long story short) told me the last time I almost went to her house for a get together that my family could go home after the little Christmasy party and my brother and his family would stay for dinner.

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Now she is attacking my political beliefs every chance she can get - can she not accept the fact that I am 37 years old and entitled to my own opinion? It drives her crazy that she can't control my mind and beliefs.

Have any of you ever heard this? When I was a teenager and she was laying her guilt trips I would say "Mom, you're making me fee guilty". She would reply, "Kate, only YOU can make yourself feel guilty". She hasn't tried that on me for years because last she did I told her I was too old to fall for that crap (excuse the language).



 They want clones of themselves.
It seems also that they manipulate anyway they can and blame the other person for falling for their bait or else take no responsibility for the emotional damage. In a nutshell, from what I've experienced, they don't care in a healthy way that shows respect for the other person's viewpoint - no empathy.   that's my 2 cents.  :)