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nolongeraslave

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A question to those who have been physically abused
« on: January 25, 2010, 06:32:43 PM »
I  didn't receive physical punishment on a regular basis, but it's disturbing to see facebook groups promoting it. People think they turned out "good", because their parents chose to "whoop them".  Maybe it's their denial, and they don't recognize what aftermath they're experiencing. The posters are happily talking about how they've been beaten with cable cords and have boots thrown at their head. They think that parents who don't use physical punishment are "whiny" and are responsible for producing spoiled brats that talk back. Give me a break. Someone even agreed to take her clothes off while her mom beat her.

I've been hit just a few times when I was being "acting out", due to being sexually abused. All what the hitting did was make me more angry and want to get revenge. It didn't solve anything.  Then, I developed irrational fears about people wanting to violently attack me in the real world. I now know this isn't true, but it was a waste of time spending years thinking that someone was going to hit me if they got mad.

I don't know how other people who were regularly physically punished feel.  I would love to hear your point of view.  


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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 06:44:47 PM »
I'm confused...These people are saying spanking, slapping and "ass whooping" aren't abuse and just discipline?

Is that like NM saying "I'm not putting you down. I'm just helping you." 

Someone explain..b/c I don't know.

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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 07:25:32 PM »
Dear NLAS
 I was not physically abused but I think your dilemma is  in not trusting yourself. If you feel offended by something such as what you are saying--trust how you feel.
 The N's take away our sense of self to SUCH a degree that we can't look within and figure out what feels right or wrong. I think that is your larger dilemma.
 You are right that so many abused people have denial that their "abuse " was for their own good. Alice Miller wrote a book "For Your Own Good" and it is about this.
  I think you have good sense and can trust yourself. Do it little by little till you find that you really can!!!   x o x Ami
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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 08:31:34 PM »
I feel that I was physically abused as a child in a few different ways. One of them was spanking. I don't feel that spanking in general is abuse, but I'll tell you why it felt like abuse in my case. Of the three children, I was the only one who was ever spanked. I was the best behaved of the three, but was the scapegoat child. My brother, the GC, was a monster, but was never spanked, EVER. When I was spanked, it was less a punishment, and more of an event. I was made an example of. My brother and sister were called to watch. My NM always had my father carry out the spanking. Because of the nature of these spankings, I have been left with deep emotional scars. Perhaps a child who is spanked as a disciplinary measure feels differently, but I was spanked for amusement, which is a much different situation.

I was also abused by being refused medical care as a teen (the article Ann posted about daughters of Ns mentions this form of abuse). I had chronic tonsillitis starting in high school, with severe infections, excruciating pain, and high fevers. M would never take me to a doctor because she said it was my punishment for "kissing boys." I also had chronic bronchitis. My aunt, who is a doctor, believed that I was allergic to the chemicals in the science classes I was being forced to take (my so-called pre-med training). M said it was because I was smoking cigarettes, when I hadn't so much as looked at a cigarette. She finally did take me to the doctor, probably because my aunt said something, but she told the doctor I had been smoking. So I got a lecture from the doctor, not medical care. Again, I never recovered from it. That is just the ultimate act of cruelty, to deny a child medical care as a punishment, especially for something they didn't even do (and she KNEW I didn't do).

IMO physical punishment from an N is not beneficial in any way, and only scars the child, especially since in most cases, the punishment is unwarranted.
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nolongeraslave

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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 10:54:00 PM »
Ami-You're right.  The group made me doubt my instincts and thoughts. It triggered memories and anger towards being invalidated. I was wondering how these people would verbally attack me,  if I said "ass-whooping" was wrong.  After all, anyone can join facebook. That includes abusive parents and narcissists that say they just want what's best for their kids.

JustKathy, I'm sorry you had to go through that and understand where you're coming from.

Do you have the link to the article about N moms refusing medical care for their daughter? Wouldn't refusing psychological  care for your daughter in need be a form of abuse or neglect?

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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 02:26:56 AM »
Wouldn't refusing psychological  care for your daughter in need be a form of abuse or neglect?

That is grossly neglectful.

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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 07:33:46 AM »
Ami-You're right.  The group made me doubt my instincts and thoughts. It triggered memories and anger towards being invalidated. I was wondering how these people would verbally attack me,  if I said "ass-whooping" was wrong.  After all, anyone can join facebook. That includes abusive parents and narcissists that say they just want what's best for their kids.

JustKathy, I'm sorry you had to go through that and understand where you're coming from.

Do you have the link to the article about N moms refusing medical care for their daughter? Wouldn't refusing psychological  care for your daughter in need be a form of abuse or neglect?

I agree that it is BOTH abusive and neglectful!  It's also just as bad when the NWomb-Donors attempt to USE these professionals to ABUSE their children even more!

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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 09:18:16 AM »
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Do you have the link to the article about N moms refusing medical care for their daughter? Wouldn't refusing psychological  care for your daughter in need be a form of abuse or neglect?

I'll see if I can locate it. It was on the site that Ann posted in another thread: http://daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/

I do feel that it is criminally negligent to withhold medical treatment from a sick child. This was back in the 70s, and sadly, there was no place to turn for help. I went to my teachers, and my high school guidance counselor, and their response was to call my M and tell her that I was making up stories (which, of course, I was punished for). I feel pretty strongly that if I went to my guidance counselor in 2010, it would be investigated, but back then, people just didn't get involved.
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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 04:56:10 PM »
Well, darn. I can't find the place where it was mentioned. It was only once sentence. Said something like, "One form of physical abuse may be denying the child medical care." But just reading that one line made me think that it's not uncommon. This never happened to me when I was very young - only as a teen. I was being accused of every wrongdoing imaginable, from using drugs, to smoking, to having sex (even though M never let me out of her sight). So when I got sick with something, it always my fault for doing something bad.

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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 05:33:39 PM »
Kathy-My mom did the same. When I had a fever and was throwing up, she accused me of getting drunk and told me how I'm going to die one day.  When I had a shaving scar, she accused me of letting someone cut me.  I'm really sorry that your school wasn't helpful towards you either.  


People knew (including counselors at school) that mom was refusing psychological care. I didn't know my personal rights back then, and nobody told me that this was cruel on my mom's behalf.  I went through terrible panic attacks in the middle of class (my teachers reported this to the guidance counselor), failing grades, bizarre OCD rituals, etc.  My mom didn't want to deal with it. All what mattered was that she got what she wanted. She had the satisfaction of sending me to a posh school that made her "look good" in front of her friends,  and she had the satisfaction of controlling me from not getting any therapeutic help. Who cares if I have panic attacks in the middle of the class, huh?  

 When my mom finally complied (she was sick of my problems interfering with her life), she took me to the worst therapists.  Maybe she was trying to show me that therapists don't help.   Since they weren't helping me, I stopped going to them.  She put the blame on me saying "You chose to stop seeing them. It's YOUR fault! Look how great of a mom I am by taking you to a therapist! "  I wanted a therapist that specialized in what I was going through, but mom refused to help me find the right fit. She said how the insurance companies would charge more money for switching therapists, look down on me, how nobody would marry me, and how I'm giving her money problems by seeing a therapist.  Her motto was "Fix yourself! You're not trying hard enough"

When it comes to my schizophrenic brother, it's OKAY for him to be on medication and see a therapist.  Mom doesn't complain one bit about him.  It's okay for him to make mistakes. Her logic is, "He's a man. He doesn't have to worry about anybody marrying him. He has problems. YOU should be able to treat yourself."  I had to be flawless, or else. She wonders why I suffer from bizarre obsessions with perfection.  

I wonder if she secretly knows that therapy and meds will empower me and free me from control. She wants to control me, so maybe she wanted to keep me very anxious, obsessive and isolated.


These things are tough to talk about, because I feel like they're so hard to explain. NM is so so so so good at the tricks she does.
If she reads this, she will come up with a clever story to refute this to the untrained eye.
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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 04:11:53 AM »
NLS, I think most Ns are fearful of their victims making contact with people they have no control over.  They have to be able to control the entire stage and all the cast or people might not do what they're supposed to and then the world of N starts to crumble.  I started seeing a therapist when I was twenty eight and pregnant with my son.  I was quite open with my mum about what we were talking about and how I was feeling etc.  My mum, without me knowing, called my therapist to talk about me because she was so worried about me (this was her usual rouse as the concerned mum which always worked with doctors, health visitors, psychiatrists etc).  My T told my mum she couldn't discuss anything with her because of client confidentiality but offered her the number of another therapist if she felt she wanted to discuss her worries with a professional.  To add insult to injury, my T then called me to tell me my mum had phoned and what she had said.  I cannot put into words how utterly, utterly furious my mum was about this.  She'd never really been told no before, people were generally quite happy to discuss my private business with her in detail and I didn't usually know until my mum threw it in my face weeks or months down the line.  To know that I was getting complete privacy with someone who she couldn't control made her murderous.

Most abusers are very manipulative and can convince people that what they suspect isn't really happening, a bit like magic tricks when you think the card disappeared but really it's up inside the guy's sleeve.  My mum literally has two quite different personalities, a public one and her real one.  It's like being around two completely different people, and seeing her change from one to the other is quite terrifying.  It's such a sudden and absolute change and it takes only seconds; most people have never spotted her doing it - which of course just adds to the problem because it's only you that sees it.  The most amazing time it ever happened was when my mum was at mine one afternoon with a group of family that she doesn't like.  She was like a moody teenager - sulky, refusing to talk, wouldn't join in, just sat on the sofa on her own and refused all offers of food and drink.  Another friend arrives - who thinks she's wonderful and she leapt up the moment they walked into the room, started pouring drinks and offering snacks and was suddenly the life and soul of the party.  My sister and I just looked at each other, but no-one else had even noticed.

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Re: A question to those who have been physically abused
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 08:30:45 PM »
NLAS, If your mom reads your post, she will never in a million years realize it is about her. It's the nature of the beast.