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Ami

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Re: reminder you don't matter
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2010, 06:30:17 AM »
Also I think another reason why people are "split" regarding the N is that the N "splits" people. THere are the ones that they treat as "all bad" and therefore like dirt. Then there are the ones they treat as "all good" and never show their bad side to. Kind of like the split between the scapegoat and the golden child. They only see people in terms of perfectly good or perfectly bad.


The children of N's split life, too. I did.Now, finally, I am seeing gray more. I am seeing gray inside me and in others. can anyone relate?                    Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: reminder you don't matter
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2010, 06:58:19 AM »
As a child of a narcissist you are being kneaded into becoming a narcissist yourself. With some traits the narcs (partially) "succeed" and with other traits they don't succeed. Depending on how much traits we finally end up and how severe we become narcissists or just people with n traits but we can't totally escape being influenced. So yes I do recognise many N traits, thougts and responses, especially until a few years after leaving my parents home. The traits are wearing off more and more over the years.
With some people (really bad N's) it is best to focus only on their bad side because otherwise we might be lured back in by being charmed.
Somewhere I read that Alice Miller at first wanted to call her book "the drama of the gifted child",  "drama of the narcisstistic child".
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Re: reminder you don't matter
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2010, 08:07:35 AM »

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Re: reminder you don't matter
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2010, 01:13:38 PM »
Such an incredible string of comments.  All of you touched me with your own experiences.  The dentist who thinks they are wonderful.  The neighbor who suffered along with you yet nobody knew of the children's pain.  "those that deceive are just losing out on the truth".  LOVE this comment.  After I discovered narcissism and found my own truth, what a freeing moment in my life.  I no longer had to live the lie.  I learned it was okay to tell the truth.

"The truth shall set you free."


These were good comments. It has been one of the helpful tools in healing past and present N abuse is hearing and sharing the pains with others. The twisted way that N's twist reality is so very damaging, especially for those of us who love truth, even the truth of our own ugly or N traits.

Logy,

"After I discovered narcissism and found my own truth, what a freeing moment in my life.  I no longer had to live the lie.  I learned it was okay to tell the truth."

I felt as though I could have wrote this. It was over 20 years ago that I awoke to my very dark side that seemed to take over me and my ways into habitual deceitful behavior. I was only 22, just a new young adult in this world, I do not recall when I started my deceit, it seemed to grow bigger and more as I just kept running from my past life of unhealing and unspoken pain of abuse from an N mom. Although I had therapy, I had yet to really get into my heart, sink into the pain that was way too much. I found it safer to live in my mind, my head; my heart, full of pain and lies from N abuse childhood, started to overtake my mind, as if all the lies of childhood were beginning to take over as I was being taken over by them.


When I awoke to my Nism, my lies, I found myself reaching out to a teacher at college. He was my economics professor, a class that I was really struggling in. He used to pound his fists on his desk in his lectures asking "who is lost?" Who is lying? Who is lost and lying?" When I awoke to my deceit I heard his voice in my head, I knew that I was lost and lying and not just about the subject of Economics!

When I met with him to tell him that I could barely keep my head on, needing to drop out, as painful memories were just coming up and up, he told me that I was lucky, he said that I had something very powerful happen to me and that I had no idea what he was really talking about in terms of how blessed and fortunate I was to have taken the truth about my lies and become truth. He said that one day, years later I would come to realize that if I had not seized that opportunity to turn my head and heart around to righteousness that I would have had to go through perhaps the rest of my life maligning people and being the loser in terms of truth.

He was right, now, over 20 years later I am so very grateful to have had the chance to NOT become a N, to be a person of integrity and authenticity. I am so grateful to have not spent the last 20 years of my life getting worse, as N's do, rather than getting better. Although still human and still capable of error and mistakes, selfishness and fears, I have faith and courageous. Today, I strive for honesty, even if I am to shade the truth in a small way I am like the princess and the pea, I will not be at ease or at peace inside.
 

(((Seasons))), it looks like your thread has been taken over by a very engaging topic you brought up. Sorry

Gabben
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Re: reminder you don't matter
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2010, 01:17:52 PM »
It could also be that they divide people in useful people and useless people or people that they want something from in the future and therefore have to placate for now.

This is called devaluing and discarding. N's do this to people the way that we non-N's throw away old clothes or stuff that we take to the goodwill, but even then we at least take the time to discard in a dignified thoughtful way.

For the N's we are seen as supply, nothing more nothing less, we are an object of gratification in their eyes, as long as we affirm them, uphold the mirror of perfection and grandiose greatness that they believe themselves to be. But the second that we dare to challenge that greatness is the second that we become worthless to the N's, throw away, devalued and discared like old junk.

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Re: reminder you don't matter
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2010, 09:35:13 AM »
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 Yes, Ns are GREAT actors, they make sure they look good to the outside world, but at home, we know what they're really like.  When others (who only know the N as 'actor') tell us how wonderful the N is, we feel betrayed, gaslighted, a gagged hostage of the N's false image.  It can make us feel crazy, but we are not crazy.  We know the truth.


Yes, this is exactly how I felt on my of occasions. Thanks Ann for pin pointing my exact ache. (hugs)  seasons

Gabben, I happy the tread has blossomed for all.  :)

Need to go back and take it all in again. Everyone gets it and I want to drown in that, in a good way...not alone...not crazy.
Thanks everyone!
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Re: reminder you don't matter
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2010, 03:04:16 PM »
(((Seasons))))))) x o x o  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung