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sKePTiKal

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2010, 11:41:13 AM »
HELLO!  :: waving::

Are you OK? Just checking in, to see where you are today... and maybe gab a little bit about things.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #121 on: April 13, 2010, 12:20:19 PM »
Hi GS,
This compassionate article and many of the letters below it might help you feel a bit less alone:

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/hoarding/index.html?story=/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/2010/04/10/am_i_a_hoarder

love to you,
Hops
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2010, 07:40:30 AM »
' morning!

How are you? I'm imagining that you've opened up a river of energy & focus that is carrying you through all your immediate goals, and that while you may be physically tired, you're getting a respectable amount of "foundational" grounding - a platform or plateau - for the next step. Leastwise, that's what I'm hoping for you!

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2010, 02:33:00 PM »
How kind of you all to keep my thread floating.

I am working in "the shift", moving out of where I have always been and into a place where I want to be.
Finding significant connection with things I have long been aware of but not until recently able to connect to my dysfunction.

Paralysis due to significant, chronic criticism.  When I made mistakes as a child my parents first issued harsh, belittling, castigating punishment and then took over the task.
A bad combination.
Now errors induce shame and paralysis waiting for authority to come in and take over.
Now that I have the connection, I am learning to overwrite the lifelong patterns that shut down.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #124 on: April 16, 2010, 08:00:12 AM »
OH FABULOUS! Thanks for the update! I was beginning to worry about you.

You really DO have it sorted, processed & understood... and I'm so happy for you! Now, I'm hoping you can notice all the times that you overcome the pattern instinctively. That's a bit of solid ground that you can extend and build out in so many areas of your life.

Some areas will be harder than others; granted. I think that's due to strategies that worked very well once upon a time... and that past success makes one less eager to "overthrow" the strategy and try something else instead. At least, that's what I've learned about me. I'm gonna guess that while you've been sussing out all this complex stuff - on some other level you've gained enough strength to breeze through most of the obstacles that even recently, have seemed impossible to even confront.

Me; I'm still a "chicken" so I've worked at the easier things or things I couldn't avoid, first. I'm trying to find the inner strength or courage or confidence to work at my biggest "bete noirs". And one of the hardest, is to find ways to celebrate my successes... to reward myself for my efforts. But I think that's a very important piece of the equation, when trying to overwrite the old patterns, strategies, habits.... and trying to find the new ones that actually work for ourselves.

I'll be interested to hear how you approach your "overwriting". Do share once you see a process developing!
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #125 on: April 17, 2010, 10:42:51 AM »
feeling incredibly voiceless.
Over the past few days, what I have said has not been understood by several people.
It has been a terrible, terrible set back.

Very, very isolated and lonely.  Just worn out.  Hard to shift out of hopelessness.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #126 on: April 17, 2010, 12:02:40 PM »
GS,
What are you listening to?
In what way have you been misunderstood?

Do you mind sharing:
--what you tried to say to someone
--what that someone said back that made you feel you had been misunderstood

And now, what are you listening to?

If you have been misunderstood, what does that say about you? What does it not say?
If you said something that could have been clearer, what does that say about you? What does it not say?

If you have been misunderstood, what are the choices you can make?
What are your choices in this situation?

What size do you want it to have? Is it okay for it to become smaller?
If you need to hold it for a while, can you shrink it to fit in your hand?

How heavy is it? Does it get lighter if you sit in the sun? Does it shrink and begin to dry a little with exposure to UV? How about water? After it's dried in the sun a while, what happens if you go find a creek or lake? If you put your hand in the water, then, will it crumble some? If it doesn't dissolve completely, can you tuck it at the edge, under the water and come back and check on it tomorrow, see if it's degraded more?

What is the most familiar thing about this?

love,
Hops
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2010, 10:13:25 AM »
oh.... HON.

If you were misunderstood - try explaining again. That's always an option.
If I've misunderstood - please correct my understanding. I'll listen harder and more openly.

And if it was "one of those things" that happen in daily life... just going about your day... where someone didn't understand at all and you felt not heard - voiceless - know that it does happen; frequently. Even between people who haven't lived through the kinds of things you have. I've struggled with communication for some time - saying things the "right way" and even hearing what others say without layering on "old stuff" and changing the meaning/color of words said into a repeat of old wounds. It's very much a work in progress for me - still.

I think it's incredibly difficult to talk about emotions or the healing process sometimes - emotions don't always have specific words because sometimes it's a whirled up blend of more than one or we never learned which words will initiate the response to our needs that we're really looking for - yet it's so very human to TRY anyway. And it's so very frustrating and hurtful - excruciatingly so - when the words we can find provoke the wrong or an undesired result. The healing process can be happening on a number of different levels - all at once - that swirly, fuzzy, place - and be happening so fast sometimes that we can't separate out all the "moving parts" in a way that makes sense to others. When that happens to me, I describe something as being "incoherent" until I can take the time to let the dust settle, have a chance to reflect and work through things slowly and look at it from a lot of different angles.

I don't know if that's helpful. Like Hops... I need to ask you to explain what happened; I need more info so I can be sure I'm hearing what you're trying to say... if you're ready to share.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2010, 03:00:20 PM »
Talked with my therapist this morning.
Continue to get closer to the core.
As child - set up to fail.  
Mistakes meant harsh criticism and belittlement iin front of whole family.
     Target for harsh jokes.
     Punished if reacted. Punished if cried. Punished if angry.
     Not allowed to take cover or seek refuge.

If I made a mess or made a mistake, humiliated when attempting to fix or correct.
No mistakes or errors allowed to be forgotten.
Ridicule and humiliation heaped on when moving forward.
     Minor example - spilt milk
     hounded, belittled, called names, humiliated, sent to the kitchen
     for years afterward the incident would be recalled and the humilation would be repeated and the harsh excoriation if reacted

Every child needs help.
  When I needed help or struggled, that was an opportunity for more put downs and ridicule.
   My father allowed my brothers to participate.  My mother never intervened.
   I was repeatedly told that I deserved what I got.

My role was that of a hired servant only I did not receive pay.
  I was more of an indentured servant.
  Resources not provided to perform duties and then punished because duties not performed.
   I sat by hoping to receive crumb drops at the table believing that if I asked the right question or wore the right dress or sang the right song that my crumb would increase.  Never able see how to get out from under the servitude.  Waiting permission.  Learned helplessness.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #129 on: April 20, 2010, 03:19:52 PM »
Hops and PR.
Thank you for your posts.
The "voicelessness" was an experience that I had in 3D world.
It is complicated but worth writing out because it will help me sort it out.
It will take time so I will come back later when I have a longer period to think it through.

Thank you both for asking.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #130 on: April 27, 2010, 11:22:28 AM »
just hear Mary Chapin Carpenter talk about getting over a terrible illness.
she credited loving friends and supportiv family.

Wondering how those of us without get past.
Wondering about God who seems to allow some people to live without family and friends who care.
Wondering what kind of God that is.

Tired and still struggling
Working daily to transform the dark, dark pain and fear instill in me at such a young age.
Digging deeper still, finding great pain and rejection.
Finding such wretched torment and seeing an expectation of such built in.

Very angry, very very angry.
Tired of the extreme struggle and the utter loneliness.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #131 on: April 28, 2010, 02:23:39 AM »
(((((((((((((GS))))))))))))))

How can we help you get unstuck?

Is there any new action you could take?

with love,

Hops
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #132 on: April 28, 2010, 09:28:45 AM »
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Tired and still struggling
Working daily to transform the dark, dark pain and fear instill in me at such a young age.
Digging deeper still, finding great pain and rejection.
Finding such wretched torment and seeing an expectation of such built in.

Very angry, very very angry.
Tired of the extreme struggle and the utter loneliness.

Sweet GS:

This is the point, where more isn't really better - it's just more of the same. You know, where it's the same reason, same brick wall, and the same head beating against it hoping for a different result (relief, comfort, and freedom) from what has - and will always - cause pain. The pain is so excruciatingly real it blots out everything else - like a black hole.

The value of going into the pain, and allowing yourself to really, really feel it is high at the beginning, because it's a way to reclaim a part of your SELF... to grieve and mourn for the very real, significant loss. That value decreases over time, though - eventually you know all there is or that you need to know about that situation, event, feeling, or part of your life. This is a really good tool to use at the beginning of the journey and it takes immense courage and strength to wield this tool. You've mastered it.

Sometimes, one doesn't notice the diminishing returns from a tool or technique. It's always worked in the past, right? So we believe in the power of it and turn to it again and again... but the breakthroughs are smaller or not sufficient or don't fit the different needs of "right now". And so naturally, you're finding this lonlier and feeling more bereft than before - and that becomes an additional source of pain. Maybe it's time to try something DIFFERENT.

I want to suggest something (just a bit) DIFFERENT for you to try.

Each time an old pain comes up for you, take just a few minutes of "time out". Talk to the old pain in the same wise, loving mom-way you talk to your son, when he's frightened, confused, or in pain himself. Soothe the old pain until it drains away with hugs, love, kindness and understanding. Some things might take longer - but each time, always "be there" with the same love - and soon it won't take so long. Give the old pain your full attention during the time out - not in the re-experiencing or reliving of it - but in providing the acceptance, love and caring you needed "once upon a time" NOW.

Doing this, you acknowledge the pain - it's truly real and a part of you - and you respond with the response that it truly deserves (and deserved then, too!!) and you can dissolve the obstacle that the pain itself has become (albeit, it's still a slow process - but relief and comfort are REAL too and have a magical way of accumulating and growing at a faster rate) with the love that exists NOW. It's important in this way of working, to limit the amount of time that you give to it and to do absolutely nothing else while you are doing it. If it seems to be hungry for more time than you've allotted - well, it's up to you; you get to decide how much time you have to give for each occurrance. After a while, you can even negotiate with the pain-body or pain-being-you... sorry, I have to "do this" other thing now; how about we get together at 2? I promise! (and from experience, I can tell you, you'd better keep your promise!!)

I hope I've explained this well enough and haven't left anything important out. I learned to do this, before I remembered that I already knew how to do this - and did it while I was in the "shunned" black hole, so many years ago. Like you've expressed, I was completely exhausted, felt like I was out of options, felt like God - and love, light and comfort - were so far beyond my reach that everything good was being sucked into a black hole vortex so powerful that soon everything would cease to exist. I think it's what people call a "turning point"... where something in our perception, emotions, the very fiber of our being turns away from the pain and darkness toward the light, like a plant leaning away from shade toward the sun.

It's just a law of nature, I think, that we do this. Much love to you sweetie!!

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #133 on: April 28, 2010, 09:55:56 AM »
Hops, thank you.  I am really not so stuck as it is an up and down process.  I do tend to bring my down stuff here because i don't have anywhere else to bring it and I need to share it somewhere.  I am definitely in a down mode and it is frustrating but I also find some more STUFF in this place.

thanks for you inquiry - more later.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #134 on: April 28, 2010, 02:58:30 PM »
I think I am going about this in a manner that will result in change, real change.
This process is slow, no doubt and that in of itself is problematic.

I was seeing something that happened early in my life and saw its connection to my present struggle.
I firmly believe in making a neurological shift.
I see that I developed an anxiety and expectation of ridicule from an early age because I received such as a norm.
It has taken me many years to understand where this came from.
It took me many years to be able to recognize that my parents and my family were horrendously hostile toward me and sabotaged me repeatedly.  It was all done "in my best interest."  And when I challeneged it, I was belittled for that.
I can write the same thing over and over but there are no words that can convey the damage and pain from having a family that not only did not have my best interest in mind.  But getting this out is an important part of the healing process for me. Having a family deny my experience has done indescribable harm.  It left me expecting my voice to not be heard and if heard not respected.  It left me in a defensive position for life, expecting a fight, expecting hurdles to be put up for all my choices.  Now I have to shift that expectation after a life-time.  It means a shift inneurofunction out of a persistent, generalized anxiety.