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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2010, 07:36:56 AM »
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But I was so involved emotionally in doing a good job, helping, being a good daughter, being
focused on her emotional and physical well-being that I lacked the detached view of the situation.

Hops, this is where I struggle. Maybe I'm doing better than I think I am - since I don't have that inner achievement feedback system that evolves when a toddler. I know I have these perception issues, so I rely on hubby as my "second brain". That helps some, like while we were talking yesterday it dawned on me, that perhaps this is just an "initial reaction" to the cancer drug... and that of course, it's going to throw everything else for a loop... and that it'll take a little time and extra attention, but we just might be able to get it settled down to where she feels OK; maybe not great, but OK would be an improvement right now. [And maybe that's just the equine warrior amazon refusing to give up hope... but there is a shred of rationality in it.]

But simultaneously, even in the same breath, I'm able to recognize that what Lighter is saying is true. I'm not going to "win" this struggle. I'm not going to get a choice about "letting go". I don't have a right - that boundary - to put her through what I personally consider cruel & unusual punishment via the medical profession (tho I'll reiterate that her current team have been marvelous and sensitive and supportive). She talks plainly with me and her docs; she knows that one solution to her current dilemma is simply to die. She's told me that doesn't worry her. I know, from things she's said - but not in so many words - that she's looking forward to joining the husband she lost in '72; she's been faithful to him ever since... and she misses him. It's been a long time. I surely understand this, given what my journey has been like and finding the "missing piece" of myself and how hubby and I "fit" together.

But, whoa... there are some serious boundaries here! Makes my head swim to even think of it! I keep trying to put myself in her shoes... both the boys - hubby and his brother - are pretty matter of fact about her declining health. They know they don't have a choice, either. They are both very gentle, sensitive, caring guys... and ingenious about finding the "right" tone or solution to keep things positive. MIL's daughter is a real sweetie and she would very much like to trade places with me. However, the D also has 4 active boys all involved in sports, from 14 to 5 yrs old. D is simply not able to drop everything at a moment's notice, as the situation warrants sometimes to care for MIL. MIL knows this, but hasn't been able to persuade D so that she understands. D really isn't getting that she's going to have to learn to "let go"... without being so dependent on her mom, emotionally. I think it will all be OK, though. Despite my worries.

Since moving, I've had all my boundaries challenged hosting the sib's and their families. Some less immediate relatives have shown up impromptu to visit; as well as several of MIL's friends from "back home" who were here vacationing. It's been like "boot camp" for boundaries!! Where my boundaries were abnormally thick, high and reinforced from years of dealing with my crazy FOO... they've been crashed into, or dissolved or otherwise demonstrated to be completely unnecessary. Where I didn't have very strong boundaries in the past... those have been growing stronger; like "oak tree" strong. So many things I was self-conscious of... just don't even register anymore. One of those is simply "being" emotional around others. I'm getting lots of practice and no one is shunning me - au contraire.

And I've gotten acknowledgement and recognition from the rest of the family (even the doctors in the family) for what I'm taking on. I'm "included" - in the family. That is too huge (right now) for more words.

Somehow... through all this... I am also getting a sense that I'm re-assembling what was a "broken" heart; I can still give unconditionally of myself - and "nothing bad will happen", like with my bio-mom. I don't need armor and moats in this situation. And the weirdest part of all???? is that by re-weaving those heart-strings... and exercising those "muscles" again... the self-destructive reflex/response/pattern is fading away.

As if, in the native american tradition of "give away" - I'm also "getting" what I most needed.
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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2010, 08:09:46 AM »
It's confusing when those heart strings are in the middle of a re-wiring, huh Amber?

But, nice to finally have them tied the right way.

((((Amber and family))))

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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2010, 09:01:21 AM »
LOL!

Confusing in a good way, Lighter! All new experiences - or seldom experienced experiences - are.
Being open to unpredictable results is sort of akin to releasing the outcome... and it's intentional, not just a drifty, floaty "whatever, man" laissez-faire.

[huh - the french is sure popping up a lot; that only happens when my brain is tweaked just so. I used to speak french like a native and was never able to explain that since I wasn't exposed to french as a kid. It's some Rbrain ability... and it's been really hard for me to think in french, lately; years actually.]

I'm definitely in "new territory" having these very close to hand, exposed, intense emotions - without them shutting down the rational part of my brain - or feeling as if I have to "protect" everyone from myself and those emotions. It's "weird" in a good way.

I"ve been describing some of my process as "learning how to surf life". I think I'm learning how to ride the waves of things happening in my life - with less fear, automatically assuming "it's all my fault", or that it's always my job to "fix things" to some impossible state of artificially imposed "perfection". Maybe - this is just one aspect of "letting go".

How would I know?  LOL!!!!
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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2010, 12:09:22 AM »
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She's told me that doesn't worry her.

Ahhh, and there it is.

This is lovely. And I hope contagious.

D will learn what she has to learn, you don't have to help her face it.

You are doing wonderfully well, PR...I'm so happy to hear the moat is drying up.

You can plant blueberries in it.

Stay kind to Amber, okay? You really are safe in this.

More soon but it's late...did want to add though that in my past I was fluent in French too--acquired as a teen. Even majored in it. (Useless, but that was Impractical Choice #28734890509...)

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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2010, 08:42:34 AM »
The deer would just eat the blueberries, Hops... we have a herd that's "protected", so they have free run of everyone's yards to munch whatever seems attractive. I had to cage my hibiscus. Ya know I wondered why the previous owners had planted so many palms & tropical plants??? Deer don't eat them!!

I hope you're not depriving yourself of sleep on my account!

There is some bizarre intersection of the work I'm trying to do in this topic... and the experience and reflections and observations coming about with MIL. Almost a yin-yang relationship.... but I can't quite see it yet. In quiet moments, I start to feel that the whole picture is being arranged "behind the scenes" - in my unconscious?? - and that it'll soon be unveiled; completed; without my conscious input. That makes me kinda antsy... but in the end, I accept it for what it is.
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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2010, 09:21:59 AM »
Two sides of the same coin??? Yin-Yang????

Yesterday was my birthday; my mom calls & goes on & on & on & on and barely remembers to ask how I am; how my kids are (well, she did forget one of them)... never any mention of my birthday. LOL!! You'd kinda expect a mom to remember there was something about the date, wouldn't you?

MIL gave me a card with a handwritten note that said I was a wonderful "mom" to her and that she loves me. [yeah - I'm still processing that one!! It took my breath away.]
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Along the lines of seeking the archetypal mother, is something easier: defining "maternal". What is that? I feel I've spent spent more than enough time on the criteria of "how not to be a good-enough mom" and the examples people post here just reinforce that. But what does a good mom consist of? How did I know how to do that well enough, that MIL can say this?
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« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2010, 08:35:55 AM »
update:

So Wed a.m. I went to see if MIL needed anything to get ready for cancer dr appt later that morning and I couldn't find her; no lights... and then I looked in the bathroom. She was barely conscious & barely breathing on the floor. 911 and a call upstairs to hubs to come down NOW (and no, I wasn't that polite!)... and rescue squad was there. Off to ER; 30 mins away for us - and I'm on the phone calling MIL's D to call the bro in Pa.

CT scan didn't find anything so they flew her to the closest large hospital for ICU. It's just over an hour to get there by car. At this point, the "troops" are thinking another stroke, which is clearly what it looks like... EXCEPT that over 24 hrs we know she has movement in all 4 limbs and can hear us & respond. She opened her eyes for the first time since I found her yesterday, while they were bathing her. They want to be sure she can swallow and clear her throat before removing the respirator, etc. so this is a good sign.

This is like the 3rd - 4th time since her stroke years ago, that something like this has happened; the other times, she snapped back after a few minutes and was lucid enough to call for help herself. All the things I've been reading in neuroscience came together in an idea yesterday morning... that what MIL has been calling "passing out" is really a seizure. Not with convulsions... but a drop attack kind of seizure. That would be consistent with the way MIL perceived it and tried to describe it. NONE of the med folks have investigated a neuro angle on these episodes - yet. I got the ball rolling yesterday.

Right now it seems as if she's far far far away... and doesn't really want to come back. I told the D Wed night, that I really worried that all the things being done to MIL to try to help her get well were, at the same time, making her really really miserable... and I didn't know how fair it was to put her through it. My friend, who's worked in nursing homes for years is here this weekend and helping to keep me grounded and enabling hubs & I to go to the hospital every day, even if we're not able to spend time with her. She's dogsitting, kinda. The kind of friend who's self-sufficient and is glad to help out any way she can.

Am facing the fact that IF and WHEN MIL is released from ICU, she is going to need 24 hr care now. And that perhaps the birthday card message was her way of saying goodbye to me... and reminding me to "mind my manners" and not protest, not stretch to find "solutions"... and to simply hug her and say goodbye back.

And so, my eyes are leaky and I can't find the shut off valve this morning. But it's only one of several possible endings to this story... and MIL is still writing that last chapter.
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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2010, 10:04:12 AM »
oh Sweetie, thinking of you this morning...I am SOOO glad she has you. 

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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2010, 12:53:08 PM »
(((((Amber)))))

Big hugs, warm thoughts...on continuous loop.

Peace, peace, peace...
A friend shared a paraphrase of a quote yesterday:

Peace of mind is not the absence of the experience of conflict, it is staying peaceful
within oneself in the midst of the experience of conflict.


I think the same could be said with stress or loss substituted for "conflict".

I hope she is off respirator and spared more such.
Does she have a DNR?

much love and comfort to you and her and her son and family--
She is so fortunate, and you too, I am so glad you've had this healing love.

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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2010, 09:29:59 AM »
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Peace of mind is not the absence of the experience of conflict, it is staying peaceful
within oneself in the midst of the experience of conflict.

Ain't it the truth? That's one thing that was never modelled for me in my FOO. Anything I've acquired in that realm, I had to learn the hard way - trial and error; doing it wrong... etc.

And while grief and loss aren't technically the same as conflict, damn if this doesn't apply to them also. At least in my "feral cat" self.

Thanks everyone for your comforting, reassuring thoughts and your practical suggestions. I'm fortunate to have a friend with me this weekend who's walked the N-tightrope with me at work, who has been a "caretaker" of others for quite some time, and who has been through this end of life phase with both patients and her own family. Having worked together, she knows how I can obsess and throw myself under the bus through over-responsibility (and boundary violations)... and how to drag me away from the problem. Her mini-vacation has turned into a series of days of "her turn to watch me"!! LOL. My brain's working in weird ways.

So, hubs & I stayed home yesterday and took care of a.) ourselves and some business here - and rested. I processed a lot with a niece of MILs who is half of a pair of doctors and with my friend... who is "one of us" here.

Well, not as much time right now to reflect here - but I am still chasing down the connection between self-abuse and attachment - or the lack thereof. This experience is providing a lot of opportunities to see myself - the feral cat me - and my story in another way.

OH - and GS! (If you have time to read all my blather...) I'm happy to hear that things are on the up & up with you.
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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2010, 01:55:26 PM »
Amber:

So sorry to read your MIL had a fall.

Maybe a mini stroke?  My Grandfather had so many, sometimes he'd be very active during, sometimes not.

Once he walked outside, and fell off the edge of the lake in 17degree weather, and lay on the bank.

He was in his underwear, carrying only a flashlight, poor dear.  They found him before he froze to death, but he yanked out his catheter while in hospital, and that's another story.

Sounds like your MIL is supremely lucky to have you, and you're supremely lucky to have the friend who's guiding and keeping you grounded.

I'm praying for (((you and your family))) right now.

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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2010, 10:35:52 AM »
I might be scarce next week - lots to do and away from 'puter.

MIL had massive stroke. This is her second big stroke. I'm a little fuzzy on details coz we're all second-guessing each other, our selves, everyone wants to know the latest - so I'm in a TMI situation. Friend has kept me busy and distracted and away from 'puter where I'd just research until cross-eyed.

Worst case scenario is that when they remove the respirator, she won't be able to breathe w/o assistance and docs will insert trach & feeding tube instead - which everyone knows she would not want. But atm she is only minimally supported with respirator and is coughing, sneezing... clearing airway. So this might not be necessary.

There are increasing signs of potential for some recovery, however. It takes her longer to respond to changes in sedation - and they removed it yesterday to see how she'd do. She appears to be slowly coming "back" - on her own timetable regardless of medical expectations (HA!) - piece by piece. She is able to move her left arm some, now. I think we're all aware of "false hopes"... and so we're just taking each piece of news as it comes until tomorrow.

Tomorrow - we still don't know what time - we're expecting results of the eeg/ekg and the latest CT scan is hopeful: no bad changes since she was admitted. So we'll know what to expect as far as recovery - and what that quality of life might look like. I know without a doubt, that she is and probably remains ready to go join her hubby that she lost in '72. I know she would detest being fully dependent on long term care and/or life support - and all the kids know this too. She has no health directives - even after all she's been through, instead trusting everyone around her to make those decisions in her best interest.

She had stopped breathing or was close to it, in the ER here before she was transferred to the bigger hospital; she was close to that when I found her. It was me & hubby that decided yes to the respirator... because we knew it would be hours before the sibs could get here or to the big city hospital. At the time, we had no idea what had happened for sure - I only knew that this was extremely bad and that we needed real help. And we weren't going to make that decision by ourselves... I think MIL would understand that.

With stroke, even the tests aren't 100% reliable predictors of recovery. They perform a lot of practical trial & error experiments to see how the individual responds - how much soul, spirit, and will remains - and what preference of direction this indicates. Like stopping sedation and then trying to rouse the patient. I started calling her, as if waking her from a deep sleep a couple days ago. Apparently where she is must be pretty nice... you could tell she was reluctant to "come back"... but since then, she's started to be slightly more alert. I've not gone up the past two days - things to do here, caretakers also need caring for and I'm trying to be respectful of boundaries and let the sibs discuss among themselves w/o my input. Even hubby needed a "time out" from all this to rest and process on his own. We truly can't do much except wait --- and I'm so lousy at that anyway (MIL told me it seemed as if I just couldn't sit still - and I told her yes; I have to stay busy or I climb out of my skin with impatience so I work puzzle games on my DS while waiting) --- there don't need to be any more problems to solve or people to care for. So I'm assigning myself the homework of researching long term care... legal aspects... and acquiring some more info along those lines. So I won't be in the way emotionally, intellectually, or physically.

So, it's time for me to start doing again - what I can, and be useful.
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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2010, 03:36:27 PM »
(((Amber)))

I hope your MIL is lucid enough to let you know what she'd want, re: DNR.

You can ask her and she can squeeze once for yes answers and twice for No's.

It's so heartbreaking to make those decisions, esp when you're not sure what your loved one would want.

I hope you're doing OK.

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Re: Deconstructing Self-Abuse Patterns
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2010, 04:02:22 PM »
Hi Phoenix,
I finally got back.  See the world didnt stop because I was doing other things!   

I have read here and there, can see I  obviously missed a lot of important events in your life.  Hope things are at least peaceful with MIL now.   

I read 2 of your posts on p.2, and I can see/ hear your journey of recovery.   In comparison to many, I have had something inside me that just refused to get well/ or coudnt until it found the right thing, which it didnt.   Its such a long story for me,
 I have some sort of recovery now but not the reconcilliation that I longed for, I dont mean with specific individuals, but with the world.   Im not 'that' recovered, in fact tonight due to various things in my life this evening, Ive got the feeling of inward plummeting, icicles through the heart, just vaguely, but its familiar, I know the feeling, will pass. 

 Wanted to respond to your response to the exlile site.  I agree with what you said about the term 'schizoid'.   It was the term used by the psychiatrise (Masterson), who was the one to define these 3 disorders and to clarify their differences.   He first described borderline, then narcissist, then schizoid, and produced ways to treat also. 

  IMO its not so much a disorder of some individuals, but that nearly everyone is based on one or other of these dynamics,  as is history and politics too.   

 What you've said all in all, as I see it is that these things/ forces inside us, you dont heal them by direct battle, but by growing the healthy side. 

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« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2010, 04:06:21 PM »
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Worst case scenario is that when they remove the respirator, she won't be able to breathe w/o assistance and docs will insert trach & feeding tube instead - which everyone knows she would not want.

I am so sorry. Is there no way the doctors will listen to what everyone knows she wouldn't want?
It's devastating to hear she has no Advance Medical Directive, Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care, nor DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order in place.

A friend of mine, under the emotional stress of impeding loss, made a terrible decision re. a feeding tube. Her father had had a massive stroke and at some point, her naive mother expressed great distress at the idea of him "being hungry" so against a little voice chiming in her head, my friend okayed the insertion of a feeding tube. This strong man lived for SEVEN YEARS, completely paralysed, in bed. It destroyed several lives. He was NOT happy. Turns out, the ease of deciding to "add the tube" was instant--an easy piece of advice for doctors to give, and my friend wasn't at that moment clear enough to think it through. But legally, they could not decide to withdraw it later on when they had realized they'd doomed him to a horrible existence, or it would be murder.

They COULD have decided never to insert it in the first place. But once it was in, they could not change their minds. It was a terrible mistake. I often thought my friend would die before they did.

NOTE TO EVERYONE: These are easy and inexpensive documents to create and if you don't have them, create them right now! (You can go to NoloPress.com or legalzoom.com and do them yourselves for a pittance.) The DNR can be requested from your doctor if you're unwell and don't wish to be revived--it's just a one-page thing you post on the refrigerator in case an ambulance is likely to be called.

But the first two, Advance Medical Directive ("Living Will") AND a Durable Medical Power of Attorney are critical to have--for anyone at any age in life. Make sure your doctor has a copy and that another is filed with whoever you assign, and keep another copy filed in an obvious place at home.

I hope she can be spared a respirator again -- I will never forget a friend dying of lung cancer who was trapped on a respirator and managed to scrawl for me on a pad with her left hand (the right being encumbered by an IV needle): HELP ME.

No one could. The tools and machines and assumptions that life-prolonging technologies would be done to her body whether it made a rat's spit of sense or not were all in charge. It was all about legal issues and liability. Did not have ONE THING to do with what was best for her. She was tortured by them until her end.

I would say, do not try to awaken her. Do not rouse her. Do not try to make her breathe. Do not try to make her get well or "recover". Do not try to make her notice she is still alive. It is so HARD to die anyway and one needs to be allowed to do it. Coma is a blessing. Don't worry if she goes or not, just insist on good medication for pain and to ease the respiratory distress. Her body will stop in its own time if allowed to.

When someone with terminal cancer has had a stroke and can no longer breathe without assistance, this means that their body would like to stop breathing. Why doesn't medicine have common sense?

Morphine and sedation and palliative care are wonderful to ease the passage but nothing will stop it. These other aggressive interventions are mindless and pointless and there is no quality of life to look forward to. But decline and misery can be dragged out for a horribly long amount of time if there is too much intervention.

My mother was paralysed for 14 months in a nursing home after a stroke and for her sake, I wish she had NOT had long-term care, or had those miserable months in diapers. I wish the stroke had arrived with complications that would have helped her out quickly. As it was, she had to wait for infection number umpteen to finally, finally render her beyond medical "help".

The very last coherent thing she said to me was, "Honey, I'm so tired." Well, damn.

Courage and strength to stand up for her peace, Amber...and much comfort to you.

I hope all the family will have a pre-emptive, pro-active meeting with the doctors NOW to ensure that whatever unofficial DNR is legally permitted in these circumstances is entered in her record NOW.

My mother was with it enough to decide on the DNR for herself, so the EMTs asked her and her own doctor confirmed. But too many times, this decision is not made and the default is worse hell for the patient.

love (and forgive me the ranting, don't want to add to your stress--you are doing RIGHT by her and the very best anyone could ever possibly do...)

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