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nolongeraslave

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Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« on: December 30, 2010, 04:54:46 PM »
This is silly, but I can't stop crying. I cried ta work and had to leave.  All because of an insensitive comment from someone I didn't know.

I posted on a blog asking how common it was for Indian parents not to teach their daughters how to stand up for themselves. I shared a bit of my story hoping to get support, but some jerkass Indian man said "You seem to blame others for your inadequacies.  Move on and get over it! Quit being a whiny bag of negativity" 

What does that mean? Was it my fault why I stayed so long with my parents and let them control me? I tried to stand up for msyself, but people kept bringing me down.   Am I really blaming others for something that is wrong with me?

His comment was so hurtful. It brought up so many bad memories and feelings of self-doubt. It confirmed to me that so many Indian men aren't emotionally supportive or compassionate.  There's no point in reaching out for help in the Indian community, because people will respond like this.



Please help.  I have been crying for the past hour. 

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2010, 05:30:55 PM »
I'm so sorry you're in so much pain, SNL.

Well.... now you've figured out that the Indian community of men aren't going to be very supportive.

How about a site for gals, such as yourself, struggling with the same issues?

You're going to have to learn to shut out this kind of negativity, and invite positive things in.

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 10:04:38 PM »
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It's like fighting for something that I can't win.

Hear, hear, NLAS! That is a very very smart realization. It's the seed of your freedom.

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I'm scared. I hope I don't ruin my current relationship.   He's nice and treats me well, but I hope I don't scare him off.

Hon, if your drive for wholeness and healing drives him off at some point...well that is okay.

You are a rocket. And endurance is not the only measure of a relationship (family OR phamily).

You may just pretty soon start loving yourself and being compassionate to yourself and that may start feeling not only "right" (as in, what's clearly justice) ... but even TRUE (as in, bigger than human cultural immaturity).

I am excited for you. I know you're going to be okay.

Don't panic about tomorrow. You are starting to listen to sanity and wholeness in TODAY.

Today is really all there ever is, and it's so hard to recognize.

You're doing great.

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 07:38:20 AM »
NLS - you're allowed to feel the full impact of hurt in that negative statement to you - and to cry over it and sense the absolute injustice in it. You were just verbally cyber-slapped. It does happen online... but not any more frequently than in 3-D.

The fact that it was so intense, would lead me to believe that this is a very sore point for you - and connects to old pain; it's a trigger that releases old pain... about not being allowed to say "I don't like this"!!! or "You can't do this to me!!!!" It's a basic boundary issue - that of the child saying: yes, you're bigger than I am and can force me to do this... but I don't have to like it. Unfortunately, in some families (not just Indian ones, either)... the child isn't allowed to express the "I don't like this" and is punished even more for saying that. And it continues long after the child is old enough to have some autonomy - independence - and to become an individual separate from the thoughts & feelings & wishes of the parents.

In effect, you get punished - not for what you did, but for who you are.

I'd say that's probably enough justification to point a finger and lob a blame bomb, but it's not enough or the "end" either. There is some wonderful release in finally being able to say: they did this to me and I hated it and it was wrong. It is a basic human right of expression. Your cyber-critic simply didn't understand where you are in the process (yes, some people get stuck here for a long time; I did) and eventually, yes - you'll move on. When YOU'RE ready. The blaming stage is just a necessary step along the journey to reclaiming your personal boundaries and voice and personal power.

Hang in there sweetie... this was just a bump in the road.
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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 10:42:36 AM »
If someone is really mean to you, is it okay to be mean back?  Some people accuse you of stooping to the jerk's level or accuse you of abuse yourself.

I've found that being nice when someone is still mean to you doesn't do anything.  They take you for granted and keep treating you like shit.  If you give them a taste of your own medicine, they shut up.

I didn't listen to my inner voice and went back to that stupid blog. I gave that man who put me down a taste of his medicine, and another woman said I was verbally abusing him. I think he deserved my comments.  Being patient and calm wasn't working with him.  He needed his yucky behavior handed right back in his face.

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 12:27:37 PM »
I think protecting oneself firmly and clearly, and with passion even when called for, is whats needed. 

For some of us these natural defences have been disabled.  For me a big part of recovery has been about being able to respond appropriately in the moment, and still is.   I so often let things by me, and therfore into me that belong outside me, that is .... its someone elses s---te. 

Ultimately giving back what belongs to the other person is in thier highest intereist anyway, so being good doenst always mean being nice. 
Its a difficult thing to learn, like building a muscle when the nerves have been cut.   But it can be done ~~~~~~

I still long to be better at it. 

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 05:23:20 PM »
I know I've vacillated from being too passive to being too out of line. I took my anger a lot out online and on people that were "safer".   It's weird how sometimes I freeze up and can't defend myself, but other times I couldn't control myself. When I did angry at others, I felt like I had to show that I wasn't some weak wimp that my mom and ex accused me of.

My mom gave me mixed messages

 "You're a wimp if you don't stand up for yourself."

"Why are you challenging me? Who do you think you are? Do what I say or else!"

So, I was damned if I was obedient, but damned if I did stand up for myself.

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 06:58:48 AM »
I know I've vacillated from being too passive to being too out of line. I took my anger a lot out online and on people that were "safer".   It's weird how sometimes I freeze up and can't defend myself, but other times I couldn't control myself. When I did angry at others, I felt like I had to show that I wasn't some weak wimp that my mom and ex accused me of.

My mom gave me mixed messages

 "You're a wimp if you don't stand up for yourself."

"Why are you challenging me? Who do you think you are? Do what I say or else!"

So, I was damned if I was obedient, but damned if I did stand up for myself.

Definitely mixed messages and
Definitely crazy-making!

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 08:42:02 AM »
That's the work we do on boundaries, NLS... knowing what is the appropriate way to respond in specific situations. When to gently point out a boundary... and a violation... and ask that it not be repeated -- and when to, in no uncertain terms use anger to indicate that the violation was uncalled for; won't be tolerated; and woe to the idiot who crosses that line again!! Even when to physically defend ourselves...

And there just aren't any guidelines or rules - each situation calls for judgement, experience, and a knowledge of your own personal level of comfort with the person in question. Exactly what and where your boundaries are. This varies from person to person, I think. When I started doing exactly the same work you're doing I was like a gawky teenager who said/did lots of inappropriate things, with a high level of anger and rage... I was easily "triggered" into the full emotion of what I call "old" anger - the long-term, bottled up anger from my childhood. And I really need to express it. Consequently, I felt embarrassed or even guilty for letting that intense old crap fly, in situations that really didn't call for it. And consequently, I did a lot of apologizing!

I think that this stage is inevitable - it's a developmental stage, emotionally - that usually happens way younger than we are now. But the family dynamics and individually abusive situations we've lived through prevented that from happening. Just like it's more difficult to learn a foreign language when you're older - and your brain isn't as wide open and receiving as in childhood growth spurts - it's also awkward to learn about boundaries when you're older.

IT'S OK IF YOU MAKE MISTAKES!! When you're learning something, you are going to make mistakes - they're just mistakes and nothing "bad" happens. When it's a boundary mistake, many times, a sincere apology is all the other person requires. In a cyber situation like you described - if you don't have an ongoing, online relationship and his comment was just lobbed from his perspective - well, then... you WERE angry and you expressed it. Maybe it was a little over the top... it's completely up to YOU, to decide if the anger was called for - if the expression was appropriate... and other people's opinions about it, are their opinions: and are subjective and relevant to their own comfort-levels with boundaries and anger.

Lots of people think all anger - in any form - is "bad". I completely disagree. It's as important and necessary as fear, in protecting ourselves... and I think anger is pivotal in healing, for many of us.
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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 12:26:10 PM »
My mom gave me mixed messages

 "You're a wimp if you don't stand up for yourself."

"Why are you challenging me? Who do you think you are? Do what I say or else!"



That's called a double bind, SNL.

There's nothing you can do "right."

Accept that's the truth, know you can't do anything about it, and spend time researching healthy boundaries for yourself.

Your mother probably didn't know anything about proper boundaries either.

Time to teach yourself.

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 07:12:05 AM »
That's the work we do on boundaries, NLS... knowing what is the appropriate way to respond in specific situations. When to gently point out a boundary... and a violation... and ask that it not be repeated -- and when to, in no uncertain terms use anger to indicate that the violation was uncalled for; won't be tolerated; and woe to the idiot who crosses that line again!! Even when to physically defend ourselves...

And there just aren't any guidelines or rules - each situation calls for judgement, experience, and a knowledge of your own personal level of comfort with the person in question. Exactly what and where your boundaries are. This varies from person to person, I think. When I started doing exactly the same work you're doing I was like a gawky teenager who said/did lots of inappropriate things, with a high level of anger and rage... I was easily "triggered" into the full emotion of what I call "old" anger - the long-term, bottled up anger from my childhood. And I really need to express it. Consequently, I felt embarrassed or even guilty for letting that intense old crap fly, in situations that really didn't call for it. And consequently, I did a lot of apologizing!

I think that this stage is inevitable - it's a developmental stage, emotionally - that usually happens way younger than we are now. But the family dynamics and individually abusive situations we've lived through prevented that from happening. Just like it's more difficult to learn a foreign language when you're older - and your brain isn't as wide open and receiving as in childhood growth spurts - it's also awkward to learn about boundaries when you're older.

IT'S OK IF YOU MAKE MISTAKES!! When you're learning something, you are going to make mistakes - they're just mistakes and nothing "bad" happens. When it's a boundary mistake, many times, a sincere apology is all the other person requires. In a cyber situation like you described - if you don't have an ongoing, online relationship and his comment was just lobbed from his perspective - well, then... you WERE angry and you expressed it. Maybe it was a little over the top... it's completely up to YOU, to decide if the anger was called for - if the expression was appropriate... and other people's opinions about it, are their opinions: and are subjective and relevant to their own comfort-levels with boundaries and anger.

Lots of people think all anger - in any form - is "bad". I completely disagree. It's as important and necessary as fear, in protecting ourselves... and I think anger is pivotal in healing, for many of us.

Good point, PR!

Reminds me of a lesson taught on the Magic School Bus:  Take Chances, Make Mistakes, Get Messy!  It's how we learn.

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 08:42:28 AM »
Ain't it the truth, Bones?

This process we're all engaged in - life and becoming our Selves - is the messiest ever! It's like we're trying to juggle 40-50 open paint pots simultaneously and inevitably, the paint is splashing - even if we can keep that many pots all up in the air at the same time! Sometimes it spills on us - sometimes it spills on others.

It helps if we reduce the number of pots in the beginning and only deal with one or two things at a time, until we get the "hang of it"!

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 09:17:28 AM »
Ain't it the truth, Bones?

This process we're all engaged in - life and becoming our Selves - is the messiest ever! It's like we're trying to juggle 40-50 open paint pots simultaneously and inevitably, the paint is splashing - even if we can keep that many pots all up in the air at the same time! Sometimes it spills on us - sometimes it spills on others.

It helps if we reduce the number of pots in the beginning and only deal with one or two things at a time, until we get the "hang of it"!

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Yeah.  It's even hard trying to do it on our own without a professional face-to-face therapist who "GETS" the issues we are struggling with.  I wish there were more therapists who are familiar with Narcissistic parental units and "GETS" what survivors are struggling with day in and day out.

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 08:15:00 PM »
Thank you for the support, everyone. My therapist said I'm actually where I'm supposed to be in terms of EMDR. All of the core beliefs are coming out

"I'm stupid"

"I'm worthless"

"I don't know anything"

Logically, I know that I never knew any other way of living. I have done so many things that people from normal families wouldn't have done.  My therapist keeps reassuring me that "If you don't know, how are you supposed to know?"

I suppose it's never too late to change though.  Recovering from abuse really is like learning another language!

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Re: Accused of "Blaming others" for my inadequacies
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2011, 09:25:52 AM »
Yes, it's like learning a new language - and also discovering a whole new universe! Even a whole "you" that you might not have known (or been allowed to know) is REALLY you!

I want to tell you: I think you're going to make short work of your "process". True, your whole life will change - for the better! - and you may spend a long time unravelling the cloth of untruths that you were taught about yourself. But I hear a strong desire and determination - a clear, bright intelligence - and a kind, compassionate soul in your posts, to date. That's the basic skillset you need to zoom through to a "better place".

I'm really happy for you, NLS!
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