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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2011, 07:10:11 PM »
I  was tapping on something that I needed to do today but was hitting paralysis on.

I was aware of what horrendous dust gets kicked up when I face things that connect to some of the old stuff.
It is truly like being in a dust storm to an asthmatic - it is suffocating and fear inducing.  It feels life threatening.  It takes so much will power for me to stay on task or to return to task or do anything other than avoidance. 

The more I do this the more I understand why it is so difficult.  It feels dangerous and life threatening or safety threatening.  The avoidance stuff happens in  ways that I cannot even describe.  They come on like a wave with the power of powerful addiction and all I can think about is the avoidance thing  - whether it is eating, web surfing, chatting, reading - whatever - even cleaning but NOT what ever is on my agenda.  that is dust stirring - everything else is avoidance.

This explains so much about how I have dealt or not dealt with things in the past 10 and 20 years.

So I get that.

Now to keep the focus and get through these storms in spite of the fear and panic and feelings of suffocation.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2011, 09:13:59 AM »
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Now to keep the focus and get through these storms in spite of the fear and panic and feelings of suffocation.

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There was never any space for ME.  The ME part got punished and that is precisely where I am mining right now.  all that is disastrous in my life right now, I see as part of the punishment that I learned to do as a survival issue, always couched in a moralistic turn and in a "suffer now for benefit later" sort of conservatism.  having to sort out the lies and the truth and the me from the them, the twisted manipulative abusive cr&p.

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For instance he had a huge gate (he had been a military man) and when he walked with us I (even at 4 or 5) was expected to keep up with him step by step.  If I didn't he would excoriate me or leave me out. 

So here is where I am going - my survival depended on him.  I had to take the abuse in order to survive. 


This sounds like a series of dots that you can connect to finally "see" the picture, GS. I'm not going to theorize on what that picture might be... until you give it a shot.

And I do have a suggestion, if you want to try it...  while you're tapping, sitting, working through the dust storms and the old fear... I wonder what would happen, if you surrounded yourself with comfort? For me, going through the scariest parts of Twig's story - I have an old ratty terry robe; it's heavy... maybe weighing 10 lbs or more, dry. The weight of it is tactile; like a hug... it's comforting even when I've smoked in it for months and it stinks and needs washing - it's a literal security blanket that I can't help but "feel" is surrounding me with protection, safety, and comfort. Twigs had a heavy quilt made of upholstery fabric; again the weight of it was important in the sense of safety. I know it's probably too hot now for something like this... but a lighter shawl or silky scarf might also work. A sleepy cat on my lap was also a frequent bit of comfort. It's a physical touchstone - like a momma's big protective arms and caress - and I think you might find this will open up a door into some new insights... get you through the storms to the other side, safely... and also point the way to the specific "how-to" you've been looking for...

It will be OK; it will be all right. He can't hurt you now and you can change any part of the old habits (with practice and kindness and comfort) you want to.
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2011, 11:42:32 AM »
This is something for me to process.
On reading your post about "comfy" and terry robe my insides are screaming "no" in a childlike fear/tantrum.
Will have to find out why, what this is about.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2011, 06:52:44 PM »
((((((((((GS))))))))))

I am sitting with you, with this.

I hear you.

I am sorry that some fear rose but so impressed that you are asking it questions.

love,
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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2011, 07:37:35 AM »
Working through some more deeply repressed pain. 
yesterday I misplaced my phone and I needed to make some phone calls.
I found myself working on a project, unable to sit and concentrate on finding my phone.
8:00 o'clock came, then 9:00. 
I was making great progress on cleaning my patio and planting flowers and seeds.
something I am glad to get done but it was still quite clearly an avoidance for me.

9:30 and later.
I would stop for a minute and find myself pulled with the power of an addiction on into the task at hand rathe than the focus I needed.  When I finally got there, I discovered that underneath the phone disappearance was that life-long condemnation.  I had procrastinated in getting a project completed and the deadline was at hand.  The repressed voices of condemnation, rejection, humiliation were hard at work and I harder at work avoiding that pain.

I have discovered that one of the forces at work was that the only thing that kept me out of the lines of fire was by being invisible.  once I worked on a task the joking and stinging darts flew.  Once busy on task I became a target.  Once I worked towards a goal the caustic condemnation, sabotage went into full force.

As I continued working on this as i was driving some distance i discovered more.
Much of my anger was displaced on those around because they did nothing.
I suspect this was a safer focus than on my father who championed my ostracization.
Then I got to that place I have hinted at - the kind of juvenile Stockholm syndrome - I needed my father to survive and I wanted him to see me as a being of value.  These two prongs are at the heart of how I got stuck or hooked in.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2011, 09:30:04 AM »
Thinking of James and Alice Miller.
Going back into the childhood memories and seeing them from adult eyes is enlightening and helpful but indescribably painful.  The understanding is from that adult perspective but the pain is a sharp and penetrating as it was the moment it occurred.

I have two insights that I want to write about and explore but my time is limited this morning so I am listing them here for development later.
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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2011, 10:41:12 AM »
I have become acquainted with a couple of young men who work at a coffee shop/newsstand recently.  On Sunday, in a conversation with one of them he said how much he enjoyed our conversations.  Later that morning I found myself deeply moved.  His comment really struck a chord.  I have been so lonely and so alone for so many years with noone to have indepth conversations with, no one who really enjoyed a back and forth.  I have felt so rejected and so alone.  And even though i have written about it here it was his remark that hit me hard an hour or so later.  It actually opened the flood gates to how terribly alone I am and unbearably lonely I am.

yesterday my child sang in a concert.  I was not as early as most of the parents because I had to go pick up his black trousers which he had left at my mothers a few weeks back.  Because I have no one else to help out, I could not "hold" a seat so when I got back it was first of all very difficult to even find my son and then very diffficult to find a place to sit where I could see him (even though I was a full 1/2 hour before the concert began.)  The loneliness was so deep and so bitter.  I caught myself wishing my father were alive and then immediately recognizing that he wouldn't have come if he were and I wouldn't have wanted him to anyway.  I didn't even have to look around to see that other children had parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts cousins and on and on.  It is a miserable feeling to be so all alone.

I have been thinking  or remembering how my father would be certain to put me last in most/any situation.  One memory that highlights that came when I was 6 years old.  I had fallen from the 2nd floor to the first - right over the banister and landed face first.  I was hospitalized with a concussion and broken jaw.  The first night I spent on a large ward but the second night I was moved to a semi-private room, in the bed closest to the door.  That afternoon my father came to visit after work.  He brought a gift.  But when he opened the door he didn't stop at my bed but kept on going - to the child in the bed next to me.  I couldn't see her because there was a separating curtain.  he brought the gift to her.  he didn't know her.  But I have always attributed it to his "sense of duty" to always do things for others and not for ones self and that would include his children. 

I recall later as my brothers and I began graduating from college he told us he would not help us find a job.  He didn't help us do anything as a matter of fact - but he did help many others.  he would help his friends children.  In fact, I have a cousin on my mother's side - my maternal grandmother's 1st cousin's son - who recently (after my father's death) mentioned how helpful my father had been to him in getting into law school.  (This cousin is very bright and his father and grandfather were both judges.  He truly didn't need help but was glad to get it.)  But my father would never have helped me - inany way - no matter how much I needed it.

My mother is similar only she would have no help to offer.

My son and I had told my mother about his concert a few weeks ago.  She doesn't keep a calendar and didn't remember.  We didn't remind her because honestly we didn't want her to come.  When she used to come to his Christmas concerts at his school she would say such embarrassing things.  It was dreadful.  And naturally, the getting in and out of the venue would be more than a chore.  Being with her is one of the loneliest things I can do.  It is beyond dreadful.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2011, 07:16:42 PM »
Single parenting can be soooooo lonely. I've done those moments a lot, too.
It's part of what makes holidays hell, imo. At school events, only thing that helped
was for me to just bond with everyone around me and get into a sort of we're-all-the-parents
kind of thing...but I know that's easier said than done. Many times, I just felt that same pain.

I would've been very proud to sit with you and cheer on M!

And good for you for being there for him anyway, letting love be bigger than you losses.

One day soon, he'll be off to college, but not without knowing how much YOU have been there for him.

And meanwhile, you certainly deserve a 3-D support system who're there for YOU.

Where are we going to find you a meaningful regular support group?

xo
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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2011, 11:08:13 AM »
Boat that Rocks - not so much challenging but risky - a kind of vulnerability and I also expect for my experiences to be minimized or "repackaged" by others with explanations about why and how I am not really alone.  Part of the expectation is from that basic voicelessness where what I have to say is not received and part of it comes from experience in 3D and online.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2011, 05:11:24 PM »
I also expect for my experiences to be minimized or "repackaged" by others with explanations about why and how I am not really alone.  

I like this way of looking at it being "repackaged", the feeling hasn't changed for you-- but when another speaks about what you have said about your experience of having loneliness it is described back to you in a way that disregards the significance of the experience to you, or even says that your perceptions are not correct....something like that?

So when they tell you that you are not really alone they do an erasing of you-ness.

That's sort of the core of the voicelessness experience. 




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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2011, 08:41:00 AM »
Yikes, I'm sorry if I did that with my comment, GS...
good lesson for me.

Your aloneness is yours and not someone else's to make prettier with a more cheerful alternative.

xo

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2011, 11:21:07 AM »
Hops - I wasn't responding to your post.  Boat that rocks had posted another comment that seems to have disappeared.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2011, 11:23:51 AM »
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when another speaks about what you have said about your experience of having loneliness it is described back to you in a way that disregards the significance of the experience to you, or even says that your perceptions are not correct....something like that?

So when they tell you that you are not really alone they do an erasing of you-ness.

That's sort of the core of the voicelessness experience. 


Wow - Boat - you have such a command of words.  So powerful.  That is what I was trying to say.  Thank you for putting it in your own words.

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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2011, 03:20:16 AM »
I think I decided to point it out because I have been experiencing this also both loneliness that I try to "cope" with or accept as a life-long curse, also I get frustrated with the conversations I have with people..gets me all dog-chasing-and biting it's tail crazy sometimes.
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Re: Circumventing avoidance and moving into pain as a journey
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2011, 12:01:58 PM »
Boat - I think that concerning the issue of loneliness and talking about it that I have come to the conclusion that human beings simply have a limit of how much pain in others that they can tolerate.  Perhaps that is why people have such a tendancy to mitigate what others are experiencing.  What ever it is, that in and of itself is an even greater pain and alienation than the loneliness itself.  That is a kind of craziness that can lead into a downward spiral for me as well.

In the past two days I have begun to get some relief.  I have no idea the longevity of this relief but it is from a combination of things.  I think there is a physiological component and psychological component.  I might write more about them later.