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Re: Today's Hurdles
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2008, 10:39:00 PM »
Oh my goodness.  Well let me first say that I don't intend to take away from GS's thread.  If that's happening GS, let me/us know.  In regard to my parent's going to Hawaii--this raises a very delicate issue for me, but let me just say it this way: it was not uncommon for my parents to be absent.  So that in and of itself wasn't odd.  We had professional keepers.  My aunt was called in because everyone was terrified over this disaster, and what it might mean for them.  Fair enough, truly.  The hospital wouldn't treat me without my father's signature because they knew him well, and were afraid they could do everything right but still face a lawsuit (to be clear, this is where his family was fundamentally different from my mother's, who collectively would never dream of such a distasteful public display).  So in the days before fax, before internet, I waited nearly three days to have my broken arm set.  Ultimately, it had to be broken again.  UUUGH!  But I LOVED it, though I was puking from the pain.  Center of attention.  All the handsome 30-ish interns brought me ice cream (OK I hated ice cream, still do, but I ate it anyway).  I was a six-year-old from a cold huge house, and I never wanted to leave that hospital.  Thinking back: my aunt, my father's older sister, was probably...30? at the most?  Criminy.  I won't see forty again and am just considering taking on foster kids.

But I want to say something else, in regards to my suicide attempts: nothing takes place in a vacuum.  It would have been highly bizarre to me had anyone come and spoken to me frankly about my attempts.  We didn't talk, in my family.   Had anyone come to me then and tried to get me to tell the truth I would NOT have done so.  I would have made something up about mistakenly taking my father's pills (there were, and are, so many, such an addict), just a mistake.  And nobody would have called me on it. EVER.  We hear what we want to hear, and we go back to Hawaii.  Europe.  Mexico.

There were many good things about the way I grew up.  It's important to me that I embrace both.  It's important to me that I recognize my own failings if I'm going to hold my parents to account.  That way it all means something for the future, that life can change.

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« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2008, 12:00:04 AM »
You are forgiving and unsparing at the same time.

I admire where you've come...it sounds like a long hard road.

Ease looks easy from the outside, but indoors, can be desperate 11 y/o, and no honest talk.

I'm so very sorry you went through that, Gjazz.

Whatever you're doing today, there's grace afoot.

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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2008, 12:48:00 AM »
From the same chapter:

It must often be true that the selfish, ruthless men of business and the ruthless seekers of power who will tread on anyone to mount higher are disease spots in the social body, and, individually regarded are patients needing treatment. They are hostile to humanity in general, because their parents never loved them or loved them only on condistions that they lived up to their parents' demands; demands probably based on their parents' exaggerated super-egos. Hungry for security which their parents love would have provided, they seek to exploit ruthlessly an unloving world in order to obtain love-substitutes in terms of wealth and power.

It is perhaps unnecessary  to add that sexual immorality is often due to this depreivation of real love. A man fails to find it in his wife.  Another  woman is hungry for love, and although she may know she is loved only for her physical sharms, even that, plus a "good time" plus some money and food, may seem better than nothing, and is some kind of substitute for the real thing.  Both man and girl may only get a substitute, but if real love is denied and a substitute ready to hand it is easy to see why such a substitute as illicit gratification is resorted to. Neither party is a monster of wickedness.  Both could be made both moral and content if they were truly loved.  Don Juan himself, tried to disguise, by his many conquests, the fact that nowhere did he find a satisfying love.  Real love would have ended his quest and his immorality.

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« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2008, 01:45:08 AM »
I don't intend to take away from GS's thread. No - the thread is about hurdles and you are writing about the most significant of hurdles and how to overcome them.  I am so thankful for your extraordinary frankness.

I am speechless, really - voiceless in a way.  What you write about your arm and about suicide are not to be left untouched, unacknowledged, but anything I might say seems to only trivialize each.  Both or more accurately all three are beyond absorption.  I  wonder, am I playing into that same place by rendering myself silent?  I find the best I can do is to copy words from someone else that seem to speak better to the horror of it all - even if not exactly on point - than anything I can muster.

I love the second exerpt that follows.  I plan to discuss it with my child.  It puts what we have written about today in a very different perspective.  To have been raised in a home of love, real love would have made your experiences and mine impossible.  In a home in love, real love, there would have been no silence but then there  would have never been the thought nor the hope of ending life because there would have been love and with it a longing for life.



Same chapter in Weatherhead:

If, he [the child] is denied love, nothing on earth appears to make up the deficiency.  He may be treated to expensive presents and holidays and provided for in every material way, but if he has no love it profiteth not.  It is interesting to find support for this view among the Alorese - primitive inhabitants of the Dutch East Indies who systematically deprive their children of any love or care. The parents unconsciously hate their children because they themselves never received love.  They take revenge for this on their children, and the vicious circle is unbroken.

Here's another that I was sure I had posted but can't now find.  Thid is much like writings from Khalil Gilbran that I was introduced to at age 13.

But the main difficulties lies with the feelings which the conventions of polite society compel us to hide. Many an adolescent hates one or both parents - at least at intervals - and we who are parents have no right to expect, let alone demand, that our children should "love" us, simply because we are their parents. After all, they did not ask to be born.  We must win their respect and love, and take at least as much trouble to deserve it as we take in regard to others whose friendship and love we crave to have.

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2008, 05:53:14 PM »
Making progress.  Able to see the connection btw todays pain and the earliest childhood pain.  Only needed one human being at any point in time to have enormous sympathy and say, "I'm sorry for your pain.  You don't deserve it."  I am seeing today that all of this paralysis has been over the extraordinary pain and an unconscious need to shut it down.  The pain was so great and absolutely everything I did touched it and made it worse - each and every day.  Washing dishes, cleaning up, anything actually shut me down because it evoked the endless criticism and rejection from my entire life.

Now that I have connected the dots from today to first days I am able to begn the true healing, open my heart to something positive, to let the "good" keep my focus instead of the "bad" or "painful".

It has been a long road to this place.  I am thankful to be here.  I still have a long road to get to level ground but the journey will get easier soon.  Thanks to all here who have been willing to walk with me and give me encouragement and been kind and understood even part of what I have been through.

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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2008, 12:38:15 AM »
Nanny 911

Last night I dropped by with my son to visit my mother.  She was watching Nanny 911.  The two parents were deaf.  The mother's oldest daughter was 16 she had three more daughters with her second husband ages about 4, 6, & 8.  The 16 year old was the only child who knew American Sign Language so she had been expected to interpret EVERYTHING for the little girls.  In fact she had been expected to parent the girls AND to clean the house.  It was possibly the most shocking Nanny 911 I have ever seen.  What these parents had done to this child was so obvious - that is to everyone watching - but not in the least to the PARENTS!!!  Even after the nanny demonstrated to the parents they still did not get it.  The step father said to JoJo that he didn't understand why Melissa was so angry and so difficult to get along with.  He went on to say that if she would just help a little more with the little girls and clean up the house when she was asked that he could get along with her just fine.  Nanny pointed out then and several more times that it was the parent's responsibility to take care of the children and NOT Melissa who was a child herself.

It really was horrific to see how these two grown people could not see how they used this poor child.  They did not care anything about her except what she could do to make their parenting load lighter.  They had NO idea why she was so angry!!!

It was like looking through a window into many of our own existences.  I still can't get over how shocking it was that these parents were completely unconscious about their utter psychological abuse of this poor girl.  She had been caring for these 3 little girls since they were born - since she was the age of the oldest of the three.  It was like something out of a Romanian orphanage, sort of like The Little Princess.  It truly made me sick and still makes me angry.

The only good thing about it is that it gives me insight into why I am so reactive to my mother.  Now that's a useful and healing insight.  Thanks Nanny 911.

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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2008, 03:48:07 PM »
GS - I guess I missed the whole name change -

I can relate to what you've written about fear, rejection, and the paralysis. I also hear you saying that you pre-emptively condemn yourself before you've even allowed things to go differently. That might be the place to really lever this old pain out, once and for all. I've been trying to work there. It's helping.

We truly can't control others, but it's not a difficult thing - doesn't require a lot of strength - to control those automatic thoughts that generate or trigger those old feelings in ourselves. As for courage, the kind we need to make these kinds of changes - to disrupt the old cycle - is the kind of courage that reaches out with a hug to a crying child... that allows the tears to subside in a circle of comfort. That's maybe an odd definition of courage - but it's working for me.

Allowing the old painful responses to fade into the past might be frightening, too. It's what you're accustomed to; it's almost "you" - your experience of you. So it's important to find things to fill up the space left when those old things start to slide away. Like Hops' suggestion for meditation - any number of positive things can help connect you to other people, now. Provide opportunities for positive interactions.

I'm in a space now where I'm learning about myself (soon to be 52... better late than never!!) and who I am. I'm learning to accept that my emotions aren't right or wrong... and that I am not a prisoner condemned to a life sentence of always feeling anxious, worried, responsible/guilty, or immobilized (like your paralysis). I can VISIT those places, if I think there's something useful to learn - but I'm not powerless anymore to remove myself from there. It still takes a conscious effort to breathe slowly, relax, and lots of positive self-talk. I do better when I control the anxiety.

The most dreaded part of my trip to MI for my dad's funeral, was driving out of and into Chicago. It's been twenty years since I was comfortable driving long-distance, at night or in heavy traffic. I'm easily disoriented by sensory overload in the city. I had a moment of panic in O'Hare - the signage was flatout awful. I couldn't figure out how to get OUT of the terminal. And I desperately wanted OUT; not just to smoke - but the noise, the visuals, the people were way too overwhelming. Once out - I couldn't find where I could rent a car. Thankfully, a nice policewoman gave me directions and when she was driving by and noticed I was STILL clueless, she put me right again.

Driving out of the city, I began to notice landmarks from my only trip on that route over 10 years ago. Driving back in on a Tuesday, the traffic was much crazier.... and when I finally made to the Avis center, and was I asked how my trip was: I jumped up & down like a silly little kid exclaiming "I made it! I made it!". For me, this was a HUGE accomplishment and even when I was much younger I wouldn't have seen it as an adventure; only a horrible challenge to be overcome. But I HAD done it... I hadn't gotten lost and didn't get in an accident... I wasn't the "helpless old lady" that I felt like.

I am not who I've felt like I was all these years. Take away the old programmed cycle... I'm someone quite different. And THIS isn't SCARY... on the contrary, it's very validating.
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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2008, 02:08:58 PM »
OMG, in your last line I heard something that I have gotten twisted in my own thoughts.  You said, "I'm not who I've felt like I was all these years."  When I read that for the 2nd or 3rd time I realized that I have seen that about myself but that I thought that my whole life's history should shift because of it.  IOW, I can see how relationships got  out of kilter at times in my life and how they would be different if I were then as I am now. (If I saw what had happened to me and how I was reacting out of that pain and getting negative feedback/reactions as a result.)  I've thought that since I've shifted that I would be included again and that has not been happening.  But that's not what is going to happen - not in that form anyway.  Now that I have shifted I will be included in a very different way. (I have no idea what that will be.)  It is time to move on, keep changing, keep processing the pain and letting it go.  I am in a refining process that I will keep up and believe that something very good will come of it  but I have been trying to prescribe what that "good" will be and it just doesn't work that way.

I am angry - with good cause - but it is time to move on.  Acknowledge it, understand it and let it go. And do this over and over and over until I have processed the whole vat of lifelong stuff.

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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2008, 03:20:14 PM »
GS - yes, the anger fades out over time, with the kind of processing and work you're doing. But, I think those of us with old wounds are always going to be a bit more sensitive - the anger will be invoked quicker and more intensely - when we experience or become aware of injustice around us.

I was just thinking how this is a strength, for myself - in that my "radar" picks up on these things pretty quickly and I am quick to rush in and support or defend others. Now, to do same for myself! That's just beginning to come around - and high time.

I have felt really bad things about myself - completely wrong things too - having been so wounded. I felt like that's who I was. Like being anxious about driving in chicago; the tapes were reminding me how much I get lost (not); how I'll take the wrong exit (not); how I'll be day dreaming and wind up in Detroit instead of my destination or get into an accident because I'm such a bad driver (not).

Somehow, with this trip, I'm able to put the lie to those old, scratchy albums in my head. And it's OBVIOUS that I'm not what those evil, whispering, gollum-lies say I am... the facts are staring me in the face. Wonder why I couldn't do this before???

Edit in: it took a lot of feedback from other people - here, in therapy, in 3-D - before I realized that my self-image was so distorted; wrong. Without that interaction, the only thing I had to base my concept of the "real me" on, were those feelings - and those were firmly attached to emotionally abusive and WRONG perceptions/observations of me.
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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2008, 10:55:52 AM »
So, I'm going to answer my own question about why I couldn't do this - see myself the way others see me; how I REALLY am - before... I hope it helps.

Emotions have power over our minds. Think about it - when we're sad, really really sad, it seems like we'll never ever be happy again. When angry, when intensely angry, this emotion is capable of making us think, say, and do things that are irrational and even do things we wouldn't normally choose to do.

As adults, of course, we learn that balance between emotions and cognition are necessary for us to get through life. I can't say what I really think or feel, when my boss makes me angry for n-th time... it wouldn't be productive and would only inflame the situation, countering what I really want to happen: that he would listen, take me seriously, and at least partially, agree with my point of view. HOW I express my emotions is directly related to the kind of response I will get - or hope to get.

But as children, we are our emotions pretty much. We swim in and breathe these emotions. The emotions are who we ARE. At school age, we begin to identify ourselves with what we can DO. I'm good at languages, sports, but really lousy at math - except number bases. She is really good at math, science, and doesn't care about history or music. We separate ourselves based on our abilities and talents. In the teens, we start looking for social acceptance: there is a NEED to be an accepted member of a group - band, french club, or just a cliche of friends. The choice of the group is still based on predilection - likes, talents, etc. We are still very emotional beings; very sensitive to real/perceived slights and our status in the desired group... all the while, working on our individuality - look at me, see how I'm different! We're starting to recognize the need for the balance between physical, intellectual and emotional being.

If we suffer a trauma, or prolonged emotional wounding while still a child, there are distinct, very intense emotions surrounding that wound. Those emotions have energy that directs our thoughts - but aren't necessarily rational or accurate. It is who we see ourselves as; the wounds only; it's how we FEEL we really are. It's more REAL to us, than any external accomplishments; any feedback from other people about skills, talents, potential; anyone's affection for us. I'll even go so far, as to say, that if I felt any positive feelings they only increased the level of pain I experienced for years... because of a one-pointed emotional focus on the wounds that were left festering. I learned to avoid all chances for positive emotions; discounting compliments; denying feedback from others about my skills and worth; and preventing people from loving me...

... because I FELT that I was only the wound; ugly, seeping, festering, unhealed. And ONLY THAT.

Once I started to see that I was actually coerced to believe this about myself - brainwashed with inaccurate, untrue, ideas about myself from my mom - that I was MORE than those emotions that kept the wound from healing...

I started to get free. I wasn't chained to that false feeling about who I was anymore. The shackles disintegrated into dust. I can - and am - walking away from that old self-image. It's like waking up from a dream - it SEEMED real, all right! For YEARS... but it wasn't reality.

Yeah, those emotions are still hanging around. But, I pay them no more time or attention than I do negative political smear-campaign ads. Those emotions don't have the power to make me believe something contrary to the evidence - actual physical evidence - all around me, that I am something more; something else; than what those emotions want me to believe. Those emotions were based on an environment, a situation, that is long-past. The probability is that I won't be in that situation ever again.

No - my mother hasn't changed one little bit. If anything, she is gradually becoming worse with age. No, we're never going to have a real relationship... I no longer need anything from her - because it's always tainted with those yucky emotions and I now have the choice whether to "go there" or not. I choose to honor myself, by NOT going there and subjecting myself to continued abuse - whether it comes my mother's words/actions - or is just a pattern of thinking and feeling within myself. I can take solace, comfort and refuge in the OTHER parts of myself, the other feelings, and the on-going positive feedback that I get from interaction with others.

I hope this makes some sense. Parts of it might be useful for this precipice you seem to be standing on, GS... a tipping point...
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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2008, 11:11:07 PM »
SUCH great realization, Amber...
circling back and just taking a look at the toxicity, and not letting it poison you.

BRAVO.

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it's OBVIOUS that I'm not what those evil, whispering, gollum-lies say I am...


It IS obvious. Know what I've conjured up as an image of you?

Smart, elegant, wry, graceful, intent on detail, masterful in art and in writing.
And with a hubby who loves you and a love of the beach. A capacity for gladness.

xxoo
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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2008, 09:24:19 AM »
Thanks a bunch, Hops... I'm still trying to feel myself all those things, and sometimes I'm just a jerk still - but it's a much nicer image than what I've drug around with me all these years.

Want to add one more thing to the list: non-smoker. I'm working Alan Carr's "Easyway" to quit - and I think this is right for me. There's a lot of preparation, you keep smoking while reading the book - and you get your mind straight about your own truth (and emotions sorted out) - and then just quit forever. His main premise is that we've been brainwashed into believing that we "need" smoking - pick a reason - and that it's completely not true. It's just marketing.

The "brainwashing" concept really connects with me & my experience of gaslighting... and I'm revisiting a lot of what happened and how I used smoking to punish myself. Very close to putting out the last cigarette.
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« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2008, 09:51:41 AM »
how I used smoking to punish myself.

I connect to this.  I am seeing myself caught in a cycle of self-punishment, self-sabotage.  I woke this morning after a dream typically bad that left (leaves) me is a dark place.  The self-punishment kicks in and the mistakes begin to snowball and the self-hatred and anger get bigger and bigger. 

In the dream a childhood, school friend was having a celebration.  When I got to the event she had died.  Many people are in a dark cloak and the building is large and circular.  I walk to the center and begin to look for a particular person (perhaps her sister) I walk the inner circle which is crowded and don't find her so I walk the center circle (the building has 3 concentric cicular spaces) which again is crowded.  I see a couple of people I knew from childhood and we speak.  When I have completed the 2nd circle I feel out of place and disconnected from what is going on around me - the mourning and raising of funds.  By the time I leave I learn that they have in a matter of hours raised $1.2 million for her. Not sure why.  In the last scene I am walking down the street, alone and lonely and dejected.  That is how I wake up - in that place of being alone, lonely and dejected/rejected.

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« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2008, 10:23:18 AM »
(((GS)))  What an awful dream. 

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« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2008, 11:49:12 AM »
I wonder who you were really looking for?

I wonder if the emotions of the dream relate to the old GS - the one suffered so long and developed self-sabotage (like me) as a response to continued abuse? The one who is gradually fading into history?

And if the one you're seeking now: is the real you - sans learned, faulty responses that you needed THEN, to keep yourself safe? In the center of the circle...

I had a dream this morning, too. Not as dark and gloomy as yours; but still disturbing.

Hang in there! You're not alone - I'm standing right next to you - and I don't reject you at all. I think you're making lots of progress, and even though it feels dark & gloomy this morning... you'll soon leave this behind.
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