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nolongeraslave

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Can anyone help on how to go about buying a car?
« on: January 19, 2010, 10:39:43 AM »
Since my parents love to withold information from me and not actually show me the ropes (to get me to be more dependent on them), I have no idea on how to start with buying a car.

The car I'm using is in my mom's name, and my mom offered to pay for it by using monthly payments. She CLAIMS it's a gift from her (bullshit), but I'm just worried there's a price attached to it.   I have offered to pay for the car instead, but she says NO.    I want to trade the car in and get my own, and register it here in the state I live.  I don't know how.

Do I need to apply for a loan first from my bank? Can I just walk in the car dealership and they can fix things?  Are buying used cars reliable? How long do used cars last?  How low can they go on monthly payments? Where do I go about getting car insurance? How much is car insurance?

My mom is trying to convince me that I don't have enough money to do this, and how used cars are "junky" and "no good" (typical N obsession with wealth and status).  She keeps saying to not worry, but I DON'T TRUST HER!  

I'm embarrassed to ask this stuff anywhere else, because you will get made fun of for being an adult that doesn't know where to start. People at car dealerships might take advantage of me. Should I just stick with the car I have for now, and wait until she pays the car off in a few years?   It can be seen as restitution for the bad things she's done to me, but you never know what ugly tricks she's going to use.

I need a car for my job anyway, because I often go to clients' houses.
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Re: Can anyone help on how to go about buying a car?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 10:48:36 AM »
Since my parents love to withold information from me and not actually show me the ropes (to get me to be more dependent on them), I have no idea on how to start with buying a car.

The car I'm using is in my mom's name, and my mom offered to pay for it by using monthly payments. She CLAIMS it's a gift from her (bullshit), but I'm just worried there's a price attached to it.   I have offered to pay for the car instead, but she says NO.    I want to trade the car in and get my own, and register it here in the state I live.  I don't know how.

Do I need to apply for a loan first from my bank? Can I just walk in the car dealership and they can fix things?  Are buying used cars reliable? How long do used cars last?  How low can they go on monthly payments? Where do I go about getting car insurance? How much is car insurance?

My mom is trying to convince me that I don't have enough money to do this, and how used cars are "junky" and "no good" (typical N obsession with wealth and status).  She keeps saying to not worry, but I DON'T TRUST HER!  

I'm embarrassed to ask this stuff anywhere else, because you will get made fun of for being an adult that doesn't know where to start. People at car dealerships might take advantage of me. Should I just stick with the car I have for now, and wait until she pays the car off in a few years?   It can be seen as restitution for the bad things she's done to me, but you never know what ugly tricks she's going to use.

I need a car for my job anyway, because I often go to clients' houses.

I can identify with the scenario of the N's DELIBERATELY withholding information!  When I bought my first car, which was a used one, I had to deal with it on my own as I could expect NO help from ANY of the N relatives!  Given the circumstances today, it wouldn't hurt to talk with the bank officials and get their take on things.  If your bank knows you then they won't mind talking to you regarding this.  At least, that is one of the preliminary steps I would take as I would think they would be more reliable than the NWomb-Donor. 

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Re: Can anyone help on how to go about buying a car?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 10:56:58 AM »
hey Bones,

Eek, sorry you had to go through that alone, but would you mind giving me info on what the process was like? Did your used car give you any problems? I'm just worried about dishing money constantly on trying to fix a used car that will give me problems?

It sucks though, because my parents look "so sweet and caring" by paying for my cars. But in the end, there's a catch. They use it to guilt me into letting them treat me like crap...or to be scared of leaving them.

When I moved out, I was terrified that my mom was going to take away my car or do some nasty trick to prevent me from moving.   Thankfully, she didn't. But, I don't like the feeling of her having control over that..You just never know when they're going to snap.

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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 01:35:19 PM »
NLAS,

I can only tell you my experience and I am not an expert at this. But ... my husband and I NEVER buy new cars anymore (and yes we could technically afford them if we really wanted to). By the time you have driven a new car off the lot, it has greatly depreciated in value. We typically buy "newer" used cars, because the most drastic depreciation happens in the first year of the car's life. So we get a relatively new car but let somebody else take the depreciation.

If you buy from a private individual, you can get a better deal, but it's risky. If you decide to look in the classifieds and find a car in your budget range that you are interested in, you really have to have a good relationship with a good mechanic --- somebody who will check it out thoroughly for you before you commit to buying it. Actually, having your own mechanic check out ANY car you want to buy is a good idea, but some commercial places have extensive records on maintenance etc. that you can check. However, if I had to buy a car all by myself I would probably  still take it to a mechanic to be checked out before I bought it.

We bought several cars from auto rental companies. Some people complain that people drive those cars carelessly and therefore don't trust this type of deal, but we have had good luck. These companies will sell off any car that is 1 or 2 years old, and they keep good maintenance records that you can look at. We bought at 1987 Toyota Corolla like that, drove it til I think 1998, and never had a moment's trouble with it ... which basically led to us gravitating back to Toyotas again and again.

My dad used to say we ought to "buy American" ... but heck, my husband's extended family members work in the Toyota plant just outside of Lexington, Kentucky! It's only the high-level executives of the "American" brands that lose out when you buy a Toyota Avalon at least ---- there are Americans making your car. I have a hard time feeling sorry for the execs that run a company that don't produce as good of a product, so I have no angst at all over buying Japanese (or any other foreign make).

You have several options. If you have even a couple of thousand dollars saved (or the equivalent if you live outside the U.S.), you can get a reliable although probably junky-looking car. If it were me, I'd prefer an ugly, old car to being indebted to my N parents. Yes, you can take out a loan ... IF you have good credit and a good relationship with a bank or credit union. Often you can get MUCH better deals on loans at a credit union ... look up the credit unions in your area in the yellow pages, and find out their criteria for joining. You would be surprised ... in our area, we belong to the federal teachers' credit union and we are not teachers. Our credit union invites you to join if you work, live, or just go to church within the county. You can go to either a CU or your bank and ask for help in getting pre-approved for a car loan. They will be able to walk you through the process and at the end will be able to tell you the max that you can borrow. Then you have to go pick out the car you want to buy and they have to be assured that you are not getting gypped (because if you get ripped off, so do they).

I hate working with new car salesmen. I never feel like I really got the best deal because the whole negotiating process is like a big game for them. However, you usually can find a used car dealership that is associated with a new car dealership ... where when somebody buys a new car, they trade in their old car and then the dealership next door sells it. It is not as good of a deal as a private seller (like in the classifieds) but there's a little more feeling of security because your car may come with some kind of warranty or at least you feel like you have more recourse if you find yourself stuck in a bad deal.

Do you have friends that have been through this process before? If so, maybe one or more friends can go with you to car shop.

Once you have been through this process, you might get more confident to try more offbeat tactics next time. I have a friend who buys cars at car auctions, drives them awhile and fixes them up, and sells them at a profit --- it's a little side business for him. Eventually you might find somebody with that type of business going, and you can kind of tell them what you're looking for and they will keep their eye out for a good deal at auction.

I would say --- if you have at least a couple of thousand dollars or the equivalent saved, you can buy an old car outright and then start saving for a classier one, and not be dependent on your parents' "generosity" anymore. If not, you might have to get a loan but if you have a good job and good credit that should not be a problem.

I hope this helps at least give you an idea of what the process of car buying is like.

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 02:02:04 PM »
hey Bones,

Eek, sorry you had to go through that alone, but would you mind giving me info on what the process was like? Did your used car give you any problems? I'm just worried about dishing money constantly on trying to fix a used car that will give me problems?

It sucks though, because my parents look "so sweet and caring" by paying for my cars. But in the end, there's a catch. They use it to guilt me into letting them treat me like crap...or to be scared of leaving them.

When I moved out, I was terrified that my mom was going to take away my car or do some nasty trick to prevent me from moving.   Thankfully, she didn't. But, I don't like the feeling of her having control over that..You just never know when they're going to snap.

I understand.

The last time I bought a used car was from a car dealership because my previous used car, that lasted nearly 20 years after I bought it, finally gave up the ghost.  By this point, I had dealt with about four or five cars over the course of nearly 25 years.  Part of my experience was learning by getting under the hood of my first car and not being afraid of the oil and mess...looking at any possible corrosion and rust, listening to how the motor runs, checking the parts and hoses, etc.  I've also, instinctively, learned what part goes where so I've had the experience of getting my own parts, that need to be replaced, and taking both the part and the car to the mechanic to have the necessary repairs done.  Also, it is IMPERATIVE to have any used car you are interested in buying, checked out by a mechanic that you trust!  If you are taking your current car to a mechanic for routine maintenance, oil changes, tire rotations, etc., that let that mechanic check over the next potential used car for you.  If I can do it, as a single woman, you can too!

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 02:34:20 PM »
NLAS, there is a great deal of useful info on the internet about making a smart used car purchase.

(I've never owned a new one and have had great luck--but it wasn't really luck. I read everything I could get my hands on).

A source of info you can trust is:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/used-cars/reliability/used-car-reliability/overview/used-car-reliability-ov.htm

let us know how it goes!

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Re: Can anyone help on how to go about buying a car?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 03:48:59 PM »
Hey everyone,

I don't have a few thousand dollars saved (that's how much I make in a month), but I do have good credit.  The bank option seems appealing. I have good credit and a good relationship with them. Websites kind of overwhelm me. I would rather have someone explain it to me step-by-step.  I have a few friends in mind that I COULD ask.  The last thing I want to be told is ,"You're 27 and you don't know?"  

A part of me is saying "Maybe I should stick with the car I have. It would make paying bills easier, blah blah blah" At the same time, buying a new car is a way of getting more power on my part, but it feels easier to avoid the process.  If I do stick with my current car, I don't want to be judged. :(  It's not like I'm going to stick with this car forever (I can wait a few years until I get a better job to buy one), but NM may use this against me in the future.


I ended up with this current car, because my mom swapped my old car (a car that I paid off on my own) behind my back! She traded it in at the dealership without even telling me.  When she did that, I felt like it was a trap. She knew I didn't have enough money to pay for it and was going through so much stress. I literally came home and I'm like "Where's my car?" The N mischievouslyl smiles by saying "It's yours honey!" 
« Last Edit: January 19, 2010, 04:02:18 PM by nolongeraslave »

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Re: Can anyone help on how to go about buying a car?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 05:05:36 PM »
Just got off the phone with step-dad.  He was being supportive and helpful and gave me some information.  I feel more relaxed to do it. Excited, but scared. I just called the dealership about a car that I like.

Sorry, guys..But I just need to vent out my thoughts.  This is probably not as hard as NM makes it. She just loves instilling fear in me!   

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 06:01:46 PM »
I recommend buying a Toyota certified Used car. They cost more but are worth it and Toyotas last! You can check out prices on www.edmunds.com.  You can see both used and new cars MSRP (manufacturers price) as well as what people are actually paying for them in your area. You can also see how they are rated as to breakdowns and the cost of ownership.
Good luck

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 09:36:07 PM »
Hey NLAS,

Friendly challenge for you...the link I gave you?

The article's just ONE PAGE.

You can read it!

(No matter what emotions are passing through...you really can take in the info.)

Let us know how it goes,

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2010, 09:44:12 PM »
I did go to the dealership today, and it was a lot easier than I thought. I went to the Honda dealership where I get my current car serviced.   The guy was really nice and helpful to me(I do feel it was geniune), even though I was self-conscious about looking dumb.  People say women get taken advantage of, but I'm lucky I didn't get the vibe from him.  I hope I'm able to see manipulators by now after living with an N!

I looked through the paperwork in my "car" (or my parents' car), and let's just say NM has lied about some things regarding payments, etc. Buying my own car is a GOOD decision, even if it's quick. I have in mind what I want, and the guy went through the financing process w/me (pretty affordable).

So, let's see how it goes. My fear is the car breaking down and my NM going "I told you so!" Hopefully, that won't happen.  Come on...I got to trust myself in making decisions.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2010, 02:02:35 AM »
I really feel very positive about your getting your own car, under your own rules. Your mom is definitely enjoying the extra power way too much.

So what if it were to break down and so what if she says I told you so. Told you what? That you couldn't make it without her? Try this exercise: What if both she and your stepdad were dead. What if they left you NOTHING in their will. How would you cope in the event your car broke down? I guarantee you, you would figure out something.

George Kelly (the guy whose talk on "Hostility" was posted as a link somewhere on this forum) talked about "dispersed dependency." He asserted that we all need other people, but in healthy adults, dependency is dispersed. We don't have just one or two or a few people that we depend upon for everything. We have lots of different people, with whom we have cultivated appropriate relationships, that we can turn to in various situations. Cultivate the car sales guys, for example. Ask them if you can call them if you have a question about your car. Then DO call them because you will have a question about it. Ask them if they could give you the names of 3-5 mechanics that they trust. Of course that is just a simple example ... you might not REALLY want to talk to those guys, but if not, you'll have to choose somebody and experiment with trusting their adivce on maintaining and running your car.

Your mom WILL say I told you so about something because every decision you make is a risk (including the decision to always take her advice or do what she says). But that is her problem. By keeping you totally dependent upon her support, she is keeping you from dispensing your dependency in a healthy way. She is also keeping you from learning to trust others.

No person can be completely trusted in every domain. Don't trust me to take your appendix out. But, I can show you how to make great chili or beef stew, or how to change a diaper, or how to conduct a search on an internet database.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2010, 12:18:45 PM »
Heart-That makes so much sense!

I need my parents' info before the salesperson can go any further though.  The car and loan is in their name, so it's a bit of a lengthy process. That right there tells me this is a good decision, because who wants to deal with all of that in the future? It's easier to have things in your name only.    NM just pmed me some of this information, and is being nice.  I basically told her that it's the law here to have a registered vehicle from this state, so she won't whine about it.  I'm not obviously going to tell her, "I'm sick of being dependent on you."  

My credit score was OKAY. Not good, but not wretchedly bad either.  They said not to worry about it.  I looked at my credit report and my mom was using one of my credit cards to buy stuff at Macy's behind my back.  She's the type that says "Don't worry, I will pay it off. I don't want you to worry."   But, she will make late payments or keep shopping to make my credit score look bad. It's been 7 years and there's a huge  balance on it....all under my name... :(  I'm glad I found this out just now!  Has anyone else's NM done that?


Will let everyone know how it goes. Thanks everyone! It's such a good feeling to be guided in a KIND and CARING way. That has given more confidence to not approach this with fear.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2010, 02:42:18 PM »
NLAS,
A low mile (as low as you can afford :)) Honda or Toyota will probably be the most reliable car you can buy. Subarus also have a "bullet proof" reputation.
Keep in mind that most dealerships are willing to drop the price quite a bit off the sticker. If you go to Edmunds.com you can plug in the exact car with the exact options and miles and they will give you the general price people are paying in your area, both from private parties and from dealerships.
You might inquire with your bank or a local credit union what their used car rates are just to make sure the dealership is not gouging you on the loan.

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 09:39:14 PM »
Since I want to trade in my car, I can't buy a new one at this moment...B/C my parents refuse to sign the paperwork needed at this point. The car dealership can't do anything without their signature, license information, SSN's, etc. The salesman even asked me, "You sure you want to do this? Why don't you just keep your parents' car?"   :P

So, the parents said they would rather come fly here to visit me, sign in person and negotiate with the salesmen.  

Come to think of it, the dealership only going to offer me 10,500 for a 14,000 dollar car.  Is that a rip-off? I don't know jack about this, so my step-dad may have a point.


 I know this little visit is NM's manipulative way of seeing how I live. Get ready to be criticized on my cleanliness, my weight, and the area that I live in.   It's only going to be for a weekend, thank goodness.

In the end though, the positive is I'm going to get a car that's rightfully my own. If I have to wait and deal with my parents coming to see me, oh well. It will be a learning lesson to see the tricks of the trade.
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