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Nonameanymore

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Wishful thinking (something funny)
« on: January 20, 2010, 03:39:29 AM »
Hi all,

I read this online today

If 1/5 population of the entire world is expected to be wiped out in 2012... All shall owe its existence to the deeds committed by humanity in the past. Whatever be the karma accordingly shall be the result!

What if 'karma' decides to take all NMs? (although maybe the rate is higher than 1/5!)

Something funny to start the day with
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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 07:42:48 AM »
Hi all,

I read this online today

If 1/5 population of the entire world is expected to be wiped out in 2012... All shall owe its existence to the deeds committed by humanity in the past. Whatever be the karma accordingly shall be the result!

What if 'karma' decides to take all NMs? (although maybe the rate is higher than 1/5!)

Something funny to start the day with
P xxx

OH-H-H the BEAUTIFUL JUSTICE!!!!!!

Bones
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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 07:50:06 AM »
What IS the rate for N's in the population?   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Nonameanymore

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 07:52:20 AM »
Not sure Ami, probably half are Ns and half are their victims!  :lol:

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 09:58:38 AM »
I was recently researching NPD and saw a statistic saying how many people have N traits, and it was surprisingly low. Maybe that's why so few people know what NPD is. It's not all that common.

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 10:02:54 AM »
Here it is, though I'm not sure if I agree with this or not:

http://www.health.am/psy/narcissistic-personality-disorder/

Lifetime prevalence is estimated at 1% in the general population and 2% to 16% in clinical populations.
Fifty to 75% of those with this diagnosis are men.


I have doubts about the majority being men. Almost everyone I've met or talked to who has an N parent, it's the mother.

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 09:26:15 PM »



Hi Persephone,

Well, at least, I learned the right way to spell karma today!! :mrgreen:

tt



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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 11:49:16 PM »
Well, I think it's a lot more common than we stupid psychology professionals think ... well, I say "stupid" but the truth is that NPDs seldom seek treatment, and they have reality all twisted into a pretzel for their poor children and other victims, so those people even when they are suicidally depressed don't often realize that it is their sicko NPD relationship that is killing them. So they don't report it every time either.

Another thing ... I went to a conference this week and they were talking about "Axis II" disorders. For those of you who haven't done psychology (I know there are a lot of you who have, though), Axis II refers to both personality disorders and MR ... stuff that isn't likely to go away and is a foundational part of who the person IS. Right now we have a "categorical" system --- so that a professional will tally up a person's symptoms and if he/she has the required number of symptoms, then a diagnosis is made. That may work fairly well for depression, anxiety, other things that come and go, but with personality disorders, it doesn't work so well. It is uncommon for somebody to just have ONE Axis II diagnosis. Plus, it has been noted that the most common Axis II diagnosis for women is borderline PD, and the most common for men is antisocial PD, but those two are thought to be the divergent ways men and women respond to chronic stress/trauma. They are not that really different. Both are loosely described as narcissistic disorders, although they are not called NPD. Right now, the American Psychiatric Association is going through an extensive process of revising the way we categorize mental illnesses/disorders, and the whole personality disorder category is being reconsidered. THe bottom line is that our way of identifying and categorizing the lasting, unresponsive, dysfunctional personalities is still pretty crude and primitive.

You can just barely have the required number of symptoms and be diagnosed with a personality disorder, but the severity of those symptoms can vary widely. One person who is diagnosable as NPD might function pretty darn well except for times of stress. Another person may not quite make the necessary number of symptoms, but the symptoms he or she DOES have are really bad, all the time.

So, I personally recommend taking what you read about base rates of NPD with a grain of salt. We really don't know enough to draw really good conclusions about these things.

I'm glad you all are able to laugh ... I know sometimes it feels like gallows humor but your very ability to see the absurdity of all these situations is in my opinion evidence of your healthiness. Keep on laughing (just not in your NPDs face unless you want to see them catch fire and implode ...)

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 12:58:44 AM »
Murphy's law with those stats!  What luck!!  Why can't these people (N) have a convention somewhere, and the building can blow up or something? 

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 02:37:52 AM »
If you would believe the N's everybody on this planet is completely narcissistic except they themselves (and maybe their Golden Child)!

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 02:42:08 AM »
By the way, if you look here about 45% of these people consider themselves mentally ill but the N's would never admit that they are mentally ill: http://intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=25725

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2010, 06:58:22 PM »
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Keep on laughing (just not in your NPDs face unless you want to see them catch fire and implode ...)

Hmmmm . . . I think I'd quite enjoy seeing that.

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 08:25:28 AM »
I don't see myself as Chandler who makes fun of everything to cover intimacy issues but I have to admit that sometimes I have tried to use humour or have seen a situation under a humorous light and discovered that when not directly hurtful,(in hindsight of course) Ns' actions are usually ridiculous. Sorry to use this space to write this but just remembered an incident with NM that is downright ridiculous and when I was talking to someone about it recently, I couldn't help but laugh. Back in the early 90s, there was a Greek hit song called 'you're almost like a bunny'. It was a love song by a guy talking about his girlfriend having bunny teeth but being as sweet as honey. Anyway, NM is now 58 but still thinks she is about 4-8. So a friend of mine gave me a present: a stuffed bunny (a toy, not a real one!). So I took it home, she had a good look at it, then stopped talking to me for 4 days. At the end of the 4th day she started slowly talking to me. When I asked what is wrong with her, she said she was really upset when she saw me come in with the bunny and taking it to my room; she wanted me to offer it to her while singing 'You're almost like a bunny'. I will not comment but please promise me you' ll laugh!

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2010, 08:32:30 AM »
I don't see myself as Chandler who makes fun of everything to cover intimacy issues but I have to admit that sometimes I have tried to use humour or have seen a situation under a humorous light and discovered that when not directly hurtful,(in hindsight of course) Ns' actions are usually ridiculous. Sorry to use this space to write this but just remembered an incident with NM that is downright ridiculous and when I was talking to someone about it recently, I couldn't help but laugh. Back in the early 90s, there was a Greek hit song called 'you're almost like a bunny'. It was a love song by a guy talking about his girlfriend having bunny teeth but being as sweet as honey. Anyway, NM is now 58 but still thinks she is about 4-8. So a friend of mine gave me a present: a stuffed bunny (a toy, not a real one!). So I took it home, she had a good look at it, then stopped talking to me for 4 days. At the end of the 4th day she started slowly talking to me. When I asked what is wrong with her, she said she was really upset when she saw me come in with the bunny and taking it to my room; she wanted me to offer it to her while singing 'You're almost like a bunny'. I will not comment but please promise me you' ll laugh!

P.
(on the seriousness of things: one of my favourite sayings is that 'there is not a shred of evidence that life is supposed to be serious'. Look at all the things we laugh about in sitcoms, they are dramas happening to people...

I can just visualize your mother regressing to a two-year-old, stamping her foot, and screaming:  "I want the bunny!  GIMME-E-E!"  In a way, it's funny because it's so absurd!

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Re: Wishful thinking (something funny)
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2010, 09:01:08 AM »
Bones the difference between a two-year-old and an N I think is the fact the two-year-old will let it go pretty soon...but a grown woman to pout about a bunny for 4 days????????????