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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2015, 05:15:25 PM »
Thanks, (((((((((((PR))))))))))))).

Fly I did. Looooooooooong trip but I'm tucked up in a hotel with an afternoon to laze away.
I'm trying to be open to good things happening, rather than focusing on fears.

I can do this! Uhhh....whatever "this" is. If it's not going to be because of this meeting, I'll find
something else.

Getting away helps me see my life at a remove. How stuck and shrunken I'd let it become. How
much I'd let go of hopes for my health and discovery. Poo on that.

I got some advice via a lawyer pal who asked an employment specialist attorney she's friends with,
who told her it's very very unlikely I can be denied unemployment regardless of having been "written up"
because the reason Nboss STATED was "restructuring." And that's a reason one does qualify. Whew.

That means I can turn down his severance pay along with the "don't ever say anything negative" clause.
Which is worth a slight short-term financial loss because it means he has no power over me again, ever.
(The idea of going into the future looking over my shoulder at his vindictive iNtent would be awful...)

Amazing to think of him receding from my mind and my life. And kind of ghastly to realize how toxic it was.

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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2015, 01:41:24 AM »
Thanks, (((((((((((PR))))))))))))).

Fly I did. Looooooooooong trip but I'm tucked up in a hotel with an afternoon to laze away.
I'm trying to be open to good things happening, rather than focusing on fears.

I can do this! Uhhh....whatever "this" is. If it's not going to be because of this meeting, I'll find
something else.

Getting away helps me see my life at a remove. How stuck and shrunken I'd let it become. How
much I'd let go of hopes for my health and discovery. Poo on that.

I got some advice via a lawyer pal who asked an employment specialist attorney she's friends with,
who told her it's very very unlikely I can be denied unemployment regardless of having been "written up"
because the reason Nboss STATED was "restructuring." And that's a reason one does qualify. Whew.

That means I can turn down his severance pay along with the "don't ever say anything negative" clause.
Which is worth a slight short-term financial loss because it means he has no power over me again, ever.
(The idea of going into the future looking over my shoulder at his vindictive iNtent would be awful...)

Amazing to think of him receding from my mind and my life. And kind of ghastly to realize how toxic it was.

love
Hops

Hops, I'm rootin' for ya!  Reading through your thread I think the amazing thing has already happened - you shed that horrible nasty man and I think that's the bit that's worth its weight in gold anyway.  I'm so glad you can tell him to stick his money as well - being able to say no is an amazingly empowering thing.  Being so desperate that you can't is an awful position to be in but having enough that you can do what you need to without someone else having power - truly priceless ;) xx

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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2015, 07:54:32 AM »
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Getting away helps me see my life at a remove. How stuck and shrunken I'd let it become. How
much I'd let go of hopes for my health and discovery. Poo on that.

Funny how we can let the routine of our lives and the requirements to live just push out the idea that there is always active, dynamic life, all around us, just waiting to be danced with - either for the first time, or again - as someone aptly reminded me. LOL  ;)

I've always liked a change of "scenery" for being able to see what I let myself become. Remember Sunday drives? The whole family would just go galavanting. Maybe take a picnic somewhere; go fishing; or visiting - or just a round trip, with a few stops for food and potty breaks. That seems like a good thing to repopularize.
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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2015, 10:29:20 AM »
Whoo hoo!  Good news about collecting unemployment benefits is a relief.

Not having to sign anything Nboss writes is absolutely priceless.

He'd jerk you around for years through the courts.... it's what he is.  He couldn't help himself, IME.

Be confident, Hops.  Don't touch your face.... travel and stress make it too easy to get sick.  Use hand sanitizer often.

Stay hydrated too.

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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2015, 11:18:20 PM »
Thank you SO much, guys! I can't tell you how it feels to log in here after an endurance test like this and hear your encouraging thoughts, and knowing you cared enough to sit down and type those words. I am truly grateful. My saga ain't over but if you can bear it, I'll keep on sharing the steps. Here's my trip report:

I've got an initial assignment freelancing, but I think it might lead to a larger position. He doesn't think "creativity has a home" which means, with some travel, I probably wouldn't have to move.

If I negotiated a FT large-enough salary (pie in $ky) I'd even consider moving anyway for a couple years. Live frugally (it's in coastal foothills but rent is high) and hope a friend or two would come for vacations. Also negotiate regular home periods.

I'd be much happier consulting from where I live now though, and think that'd be fine with him. Though less secure than FT salary.

Anyway, no telling. But I can do what he's thinking about and he is honest. And maybe because he's older than I am, he didn't hit me with ageism. Or sexism. (The opposite of the monster Nboss tried to depict him as...projection much? This man appears passionate about integrity and the difference is, doesn't seem to be pretending.)

My take was that I have skills he needs and he realized it. He pulled in key people to our afternoon mtg and said "This is a gap in our company and she has the knowledge to fill it." He didn't commit to a big huge position and I'd have to prove myself on this first project...but if I do, I think there could be something real there.

One of the most significant things is that at half his company's size, my old company has twice the dealers. And I started that, set the tone and created the template.

Promising start anyway. Thanks for listening to the blow by blow--more than you know!

Love and gotta get up at 415AM (mooooooooaaaaannnnn) for my flight...

Hops
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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2015, 01:05:55 AM »
Thank you SO much, guys! I can't tell you how it feels to log in here after an endurance test like this and hear your encouraging thoughts, and knowing you cared enough to sit down and type those words. I am truly grateful. My saga ain't over but if you can bear it, I'll keep on sharing the steps. Here's my trip report:

I've got an initial assignment freelancing, but I think it might lead to a larger position. He doesn't think "creativity has a home" which means, with some travel, I probably wouldn't have to move.

If I negotiated a FT large-enough salary (pie in $ky) I'd even consider moving anyway for a couple years. Live frugally (it's in coastal foothills but rent is high) and hope a friend or two would come for vacations. Also negotiate regular home periods.

I'd be much happier consulting from where I live now though, and think that'd be fine with him. Though less secure than FT salary.

Anyway, no telling. But I can do what he's thinking about and he is honest. And maybe because he's older than I am, he didn't hit me with ageism. Or sexism. (The opposite of the monster Nboss tried to depict him as...projection much? This man appears passionate about integrity and the difference is, doesn't seem to be pretending.)

My take was that I have skills he needs and he realized it. He pulled in key people to our afternoon mtg and said "This is a gap in our company and she has the knowledge to fill it." He didn't commit to a big huge position and I'd have to prove myself on this first project...but if I do, I think there could be something real there.

One of the most significant things is that at half his company's size, my old company has twice the dealers. And I started that, set the tone and created the template.

Promising start anyway. Thanks for listening to the blow by blow--more than you know!

Love and gotta get up at 415AM (mooooooooaaaaannnnn) for my flight...

Hops

Hops I am so, so happy to read this, and so glad that you have managed to not only get that hideous boss out of your life but you've manifested this other chap who sees you for the wonderful person that you are and appreciates and acknowledges your skills and experience.  What a feeling it will be to deal with a proper grown up who doesn't have some bizarre, twisted agenda going on.  Looking forward to reading more about this :) xx

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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2015, 08:26:06 AM »
That sounds really, really, really good Hops.

No instantaneous, huge change to your life or location. A chance to "get to know you" and shake the residual yuck from nboss off - while discovering the joys of working with sane people. Kinda sounds perfect, to be honest.

Those cross-country flights are awful though. Just being in that pressurized environment for so long bothers me - to say nothing of lack of boundaries & personal space, with all those people. I don't envy you that. But if it doesn't bother you, then I'd say you landed on all four feet in a bed of daisies. Can't ask for better.

THAT is the best revenge, after all.  ;)
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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2015, 01:09:39 PM »
whew WHAT A RELIEF.  You did it.  Even though you were scared you friggin well climbed that mountain. Inspiration for us all. Things fell into place in a pretty smooth way. Boss not fixated on why you left but more on how you can be of service to his company.
I worked for seven years in a place where the boss micromanaged me into a faded version of myself that was on the brink of disappearing. One day, after going to the doctor and hearing that my blood pressure was dangerously high and he said wisely Consider this your last day in the job,  I left.  I thought that was impossible. I didn't care about employment insurance or anything.  Pretty  impulsive.  Next day I was not so confident.  My friend told me to get medical unemployment benefits, which I had not considered. I went there and told them about how my boss had basically humiliated me and treated me with less than respect. I was so surprised to hear that they hear that story often enough to know that it is real and I got medical employment benefits for stress. I went to the doctor and he confirmed that I was stressed and there it was.
I realized that I had forgotten all about that.  Sometimes life has to just shake you like a ragdoll to get one to move along.
So I went from being a rehab counsellor in a program for people with severe disabilities to......... looking for jobs in the New Hebrides. While checking in the Toronto paper, I came across a job in Tofino working with children with severe disabilities.  The jobs had commonalities but were very different.  And I relocated to Tofino, a little fishing town, from a big city, Victoria. I think I had the most interesting teaching job imaginable. I got to go to work in a speedboat, work with Native people, work counseling little kids.
My point after all that is that it is impossible to control what comes next. You have prepared the field with all your experience and skills and now you have gotten on the fast train to change. SOOOOOOOOO brave of you.  But also wise.  I often thought that you might be able to tough it out in the old job but your health might go.  Typing those honest statements about your boss was unconsciously reaching for a life preserver. That is just what I think.

I read somewhere that if an employee sues their boss for wrongful dismissal, they rarely lose. I had not realized that.  Have a snit fit or telling your boss off is not reasonable grounds for dismissal.  Employee and employer having a snit fit  doesn't mean he gets to throw you out on the street. Just does not make sense. Only your high standards of human communication have made you think it was such a catastrophe.  As for the boss, what a weinee for terminating a good employee.  He could have said,|Madame, I am curious why such a person as yourself would think glorious me is such a ..............      But to fire you, boy that was dramatic and impulsive.


I think you have some leverage or whatever in the wrongful dismissal department and right now you feel a bit worthless and are in a bit of a shame spriral  about getting fired. However, old bossie boy doesn't get to fire someone because he is offended. That is ridiculous.
Yuck, I don't want to spend time in HIS head. Glad you won't have to either.

You are wonderful.

Lots of love,

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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2015, 04:06:46 PM »



Oh Hops!  You made my day.  I'm so happy for you.   What a nice (all around) platform from which to launch!

I like it that you sensed integrity in the new CEO.  That's everything! 

I hope you get a good rest before the next test comes along and CONGRATULATIONS, HORNS TOOTIN, AND LOTS OF CONFETTI!

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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2016, 01:58:27 AM »
Yooooooooou Hooooooo

Are you there?  Hiding away under a blanket, watching hours of CSI, eating copious bowls of ice cream?????  You have been through a lot!!!


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« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2016, 11:22:28 AM »
Sounds good, Hoppy:

I like the idea of sizing each other up on this first project. 

You'll give him stellar information while promising to do the same on other projects.

He'll see the value, and things will go from there.

You might consider renting your house out furnished for a bit if it becomes necessary to move for any length of time.

Short term furnished rentals are BIG where I live.

Well done,
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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2016, 09:53:51 PM »
Thanks, all.
I kind of crashed for a day to recover from the trip and today got up my nerve to write him a followup.

Next challenge, for me, is to negotiate smartly and well. Not being so greedy I blow any opportunity away, but not doing the chronic under-valuing of myself that I've done most of my career. Scary stuff but I can do this too!

Meanwhile I'm happy to be home, cuddling up with my pooch and catching a movie with a friend.

Head spinning but still hopeful,
Hops
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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2016, 03:41:52 AM »
Thanks, all.
I kind of crashed for a day to recover from the trip and today got up my nerve to write him a followup.

Next challenge, for me, is to negotiate smartly and well. Not being so greedy I blow any opportunity away, but not doing the chronic under-valuing of myself that I've done most of my career. Scary stuff but I can do this too!

Meanwhile I'm happy to be home, cuddling up with my pooch and catching a movie with a friend.

Head spinning but still hopeful,
Hops

I am really enjoying reading this thread, Hops, it makes me feel so happy to read that, it seems to me, the Universe has decided to blow some good things in your direction.  And so amazing to read that you are handling all of this so well.  I am looking forward to reading more :) x

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2016, 11:48:50 PM »
:)  I'm so slow. I missed the part about you losing your job in the first place, I didn't know it had happened. ?  Anyways I don'tunderstand how people used to work for the same company for decades and get a pension out of it, that never happens anymore. I wonder if people hated their jobs just as much then or if everybody just treated each other because constant "restructuring" wasn't the norm.

Good luck with whatever happens.


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Re: Job Hunt -- what it takes
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2016, 09:36:30 AM »
Thanks, Tupp and Boat.
The post-trip high has kind of slowed, and I have no certainty I'll really get a job with them.
Slowly, the reality of the situation is sinking in. Though I should be able to find SOMETHING, I'm out of savings in a couple months and that could jeopardize keeping my house.

I'm a little scared and hid and escaped for a week, but now it's time for me to focus and job hunt consistently every day. If the other company does come through (owner says he's talking to his board of directors about me at the end of this week but he's not sure they'll agree to hiring me) that's great, but meanwhile, it's scary to have nothing and not know when I'll have a regular paycheck again. Or, if it'll be enough to cover my mortgage.

I think I'll manage. I'm just abruptly in a whole new stage of life that I wasn't prepared for. My psyche certainly needed me to be out of the old job and Nboss' orbit, but my LIFE needed an income! I did have, thanks to Financial Peace University (that Dave Ramsey personal finance class) an emergency fund. Not a big one, about 3 months' expenses, but better than nothing.

Thanks for the good wishes. On balance I'm still hopeful and we'll see. Long-term unemployment is no joke. I can do some freelance writing, I'm pretty sure. It's just that at 65 it's going to be harder to convince a company to give me a FT position. I may be scrambling fairly desperately for as long as I can work.

 :(

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