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Hopalong

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Re: Relationship/s
« Reply #750 on: March 19, 2021, 10:14:03 PM »
Whoo. Just went back to read the article you posted, CB.
No WONDER M and I struggle/d so hard!
He's always said he interrupts because he's enthusiastic and engaged (might be cultural), and I always felt disrespected and dominated. And at times I was.

And we BOTH obviously have ADD (with an H for him I think)...so:

"....It can also be common among people with ADHD or other neurodivergences."

And I'm the person who had to train herself not to interrupt in work meetings by writing NB at the base of my thumb as a reminder ("No Blurting"). Oy.

I'm glad I read that. I don't think M and I could ever find a balance since it's intense on both sides -- his desperation to talk and interrupt, mine to be heard and not cut off (in part also due to ADD, because when he does it over and over--"overlapping" I guess--I completely lose my train of thought and it's so difficult to get a thought all the way out that I just give up communicating).

But now that our relationship is different, I am more content with mostly listening to him because I have nothing big at stake if he doesn't listen to me enough to understand. I have less invested in being understood by him. I can feel affection and enjoy some time with him, without hoping for more.

So so so complicated, we is. Thanks for the article, CB.

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« Reply #751 on: March 20, 2021, 09:10:35 AM »
I recognized Hol & I in that definition of communication style, too. I'm like Hops, in that I often completely lose my idea, what I wanted to say - while Hol's insisting on talking over me. But I CAN reverse the process; been practicing for a long time... and I've found she really doesn't like it when she's on the receiving end. :D

Even if I ask: please just listen & let me talk before you feedback... she can't. LOLOLOLOLOL.

I talk very slowly - because I'm thinking/feeling simultaneously and having to make it coherent & verbally meaningful - all at the same time. In conversation there's no chance for me to pre- prepare my "statement" - LOL - because I'm actually listening and paying attention; concentrating -- not talking to myself while someone else is talking.

Hence why I'm so much more comfortable with a keyboard to express myself! ;)
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« Reply #752 on: March 20, 2021, 01:16:39 PM »
Me too, Amber....that's a near-exact description of how it works for me.
Except I sometimes talk rapidly, big rush of narrative and detail.

Which no doubt makes listening to me a challenge!

I've been working on slowing it all down (the "calm" part).
I think intentionally slowing my speech would be a good experiment.

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« Reply #753 on: March 20, 2021, 03:43:59 PM »
I never read Chapman's book,
The 5 Languages of Love, but I'm Googling them now.

Words of affirmation
Physical touch
Quality time
Receiving gifts
Acts of service

Lots of ways to get wires crossed and misunderstand, ime.

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« Reply #754 on: March 20, 2021, 04:27:47 PM »
No kiddin', Lighter.
How could anyone get straight As in all those?

Although sometimes it's wise, I find that more often than not, pop-psychology books with new "systems" for analysing oneself or others fall fairly flat for me.

Not so the DSM description of NPD, which I found uncanny the first time I read it. How DID they meet my mother? Husband/lover/boyfriend/boss.........all those living magnets for me.

That said, I do like thinking about those categories of expressing love. It's not the door but certainly a helpful window. I wonder if we could apply them to loving ourselves, too?

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« Reply #755 on: March 21, 2021, 09:24:19 AM »
I kinda like the suggestions for "love language" as a starting point for thinking about such things and appreciation for how we're all different. As long as someone doesn't turn them into criteria - must haves - or performance measurements.

B is excellent at proactively taking care of equipment, things around the house & farm, making things. I make him food, help with his health issues, and give him a lot of positive feedback - arguing him out of some of his negative self-talk (brought on by the same kind of low vibe relationships I've had). He boosts & encourages me too.

Sounds titillatingly romantic, right? the swooning Jamie Fraser stuff? (or Murtagh, IMO) But the stereotypical romance stuff loses it's shine over time - and it's precisely this kind of language that is the meaningful meat & potatoes of a relationship. That endures.

I guess I'm using food metaphors because of an old Amish saying: "Kissin' don't last; cookin do".
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« Reply #756 on: March 21, 2021, 10:45:29 PM »
(I better learn how to cook....) LOL

I'm randoming sharing stuff, let me know if quotes get irritating, but I enjoyed this one. A guy named Robert in Atlanta made this comment on an amazing essay about heroic female resistance fighters in Poland during WWII:

Don’t know about you, but the toughest people I know are tough women, not tough men. 

Most men are snowflakes pretending to be tough.

Most women are armored and pretending to be soft and stupid.

Women, like other oppressed people also learn young about masks and disguise.

All makes sense.

Anonymous charity and heroism has a special place in the rule book of life. True heroes are rarely known.


I'd like to find a Robert, but more realistically, I'm looking for Mr. Rogers. (Different kind of hero....)

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« Reply #757 on: March 22, 2021, 06:38:21 AM »
Nodding, Hopsie, and I've always thought there's something heroic about getting dinner on the table every night, making a cup of tea for someone just because you know they'd like it, sitting up with a pet through the night when they're poorly, you know?  So many ordinary things that people do that have a big impact on someone else.  I like that.  And yes to tough women, and I do want to see a time when men being kind, sensitive and gentle isn't met with derision in some quarters.  You know what I mean.  So many silly societal ideals, who came up with all this stuff??!  Lol xx

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« Reply #758 on: March 22, 2021, 08:41:19 AM »
Well - man or woman - I think as we grow into complete selves we actually become both. Tough women who will keep rocking the colicky babe all night - work right alongside her man during the day - and keep a vase of flowers, wild or otherwise - to look at. Sometimes, we're more one side than the other - but that keeps things interesting, IMO.

I build stuff too; dig; have learned to use equipment... and am finally up to 4-6 hrs of "work" a day, before exhaustion kicks in. I can swing a 20 lb sledgehammer effectively. And dinner? That's why I have two crockpots.

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« Reply #759 on: March 22, 2021, 10:16:29 PM »
I remember when the Sikh would start opining a little about the nature of men and the nature of women and I was so averse to stereotyping that I'd squirm. But I valued him so much that I let it go. I knew he meant it in a profound and not diminishing way.

I've figured out who my ideal man is now: a CROSS between Mr. Rogers and Carl Reiner.

Drawing on public figures is helpful since nobody knows other people in common.

I'm looking forward to re-writing my online dating profile! I'm actually going to say it. So if somebody's deeply kind and humanitarian and also very intelligent and funny...hope I'll find him. It's just amazing how many humorless people think they're hilarious. (I sound like an old crank, get off my lawn!)

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« Reply #760 on: March 23, 2021, 09:01:01 AM »
Cheers to old cranks, Hops!!

It is my firm belief (no matter the validity of it) that after a certain age, we're allowed to be cranky. Look at all the years:

- we put up & shut up for a paycheck
- we kept the peace by yielding our druthers
- the world changed and not necessarily to the good; but to cover all that I'd need to publish volumes of essays (rants)

The work I keep taking on, physically, wears me out enough it's not even worth ranting. Feed me, put one of the Purr-doctors on my lap, hand me a bourbon (liquid ibuprofen) and I'll be quiet - except maybe for the snoring.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

"Wanted: compatibly cranky old man with the ability to laugh at himself and the absurdity of life who is interested in all the things we didn't have time to do when we were raising families - and me."

That's a fair personal ad, isn't it????   :D
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« Reply #761 on: March 23, 2021, 09:16:58 AM »
Very good one, Tupp!
(I"m taking notes.....) Plus--

Optionals:
Hair
Teeth
Fabio
Fat wallet

Essentials:
Humor
IQ/education
Empathy
Responsibility

Simple enough. Keep the line moving!

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« Reply #762 on: April 02, 2021, 01:10:56 PM »
Verrrry slowly and gently, getting ready to "get out there" with online dating again.
Do not want to rush it or flood myself with stress (even though fun, it's stressful).
Have had a few simple correspondences, but always find myself pushing it off or inserting delays or caveats (fully vaccinated is a reasonable one, but I'm a little odd in that I have zero interest in online chat or correspondence before we've met). So I'm somewhat ambivalent. Might be that I am adapting to life alone and just ... wondering. How important is The Duo Dream to me still? Or am I giving up?

Open to the answers as they slooooowly form. Not pushing it. Focusing more on my health and my own therapy/healing/un-depressing progress. Exercise plan starting.

Still seeing M about once a week, checking in (he usually initiates) almost daily. He's been agitated and depressed, even mentioned he no longer enjoys cooking, a big change. So I offered to spend Easter afternoon, and he's instantly happy again. Didn't get a fancy reservation but is cheered about spending time I think.

He has a lot of lecture-travel coming--Russia in Sept, a in France, then Madrid in spring. Each time he'll be with people and busy busy (and happy with the stimulation) but even though he's not gone on about it, I think he's sad to go alone.

I feel I'm seeing him more clearly AND compassionately now that I have fully released the fantasy of The Dream being possible with him. And that's a relief.

Just an update...
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« Reply #763 on: April 03, 2021, 05:23:06 AM »
Good update to read, Hopsie.  I think there are some similarities in our situations, in the sense that I think it's maybe a wise path to work on the present (health, social life, maybe some dates) whilst keeping what you'd like ideally in mind, and at the same time settling in to a rhythm that will work if a serious romance doesn't come along at the right time. You sound like you're taking a balanced approach to it all.  I'm glad to read that the situation with M is less intense, and for what it's worth I don't think it's odd not to spend hours chatting with people online when you can't meet them.  I've found online interaction can be misleading.  I think it's sensible to wait until you can get together.  I think you need to be able to look into a person's eyes, you know?  Looking forward to hearing more along the way, though :) xx

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« Reply #764 on: April 03, 2021, 10:06:42 AM »
Hmmm. Online chatting, obviously, can be quite deceptive - behind the screen could be the antithesis of what the person is claiming. It's a real thing. It happens even in face to face interactions. I'd say do what you're comfortable with, because if the random Mr. Possible can't even accommodate that wish, then you're sorting out the "nopes" faster.

B & I were different; the exception to that? I dunno. Hol still has reservations about this - but I point out her track record with the face to face "getting to know you" and various "deceptions" that were usually rooted in the partner not really being honest with themselves about who/what they were. Or her attempts to make something work despite the obstacles.

I think it was different, because both B & I are the "what you see is what you get" types. No hidden agendas. And neither of us started out TRYING to establish a relationship. The years of chatting online gave the "essential data" about our lives & who we were (or thought we were). The occasional phone call, allowed for more intuitive "knowing" who the other is; not completely - but definitely more spontaneously real. The friend zone was a much easier starting point for both of us. Meeting him the first time - was a bit of a shock; the "inner B" is just as canny & forceful & strong as he ever was... and physically, the years of physical impact on him looked as if they'd broken him.

Then, after the all night road trip (he didn't drive)... he started to unload tools and get to work. Now, I'm an overly visually-oriented person - and on that wavelength, I can sense a lot of OTHER types of things too. He opted to be totally in his element as he took in my place, me, Hol & S, etc. Neither he or I open up much to new people, until we have some sense of who they are. I might be a little more open about data about myself - which even Hol says, I need to restrain. LOL. But because we took our time with the "talking about ourselves" and inquiring about each other part of it - activities are a good thing for us - that well-protected, and consciously hidden switch - clicked all on it's own.

If I'd met him first, I might only have seen the toll of combat & medical "treatment" - and not bothered to dive any deeper. I wasn't looking to be a caregiver again; or put myself in a position to ease someone else to the other "side". Not what I wanted at ALL. Through the online environment, I saw how he raised his D; how he treated other women on the forum; how he interacted with other people who weren't entirely "functional" as human beings. But then, discussion forums are more like the local pub where people talk, get to know each other in a group (usually moderated) setting. And that's helpful for seeing "who the person is" -- when they're not directly engaging with oneself. The "tells" show up better sometimes this way. I think, anyway.

If the dating site, has a group discussion... it might be better to use that instead of initiating one to one communications in depth immediately. As another option, if meeting face to face is difficult. But then, I'm an avowed people watcher; observer. Especially online. I usually read quite a bit of a certain person's talking & thought process before I engage in any of their threads. On any topic!
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