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sKePTiKal

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #540 on: May 02, 2021, 12:06:35 PM »
I will say, that living with adult children versus teenagers, certainly keeps one engaged. Much of it is very good. But  the old sticking points still exist. I have to keep reminding myself that the good stuff that's returned and apparent, is because of what I've given. I've tried to do that unconditionally.

I don't know if I succeeded. I'm not sure it matters.
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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #541 on: May 06, 2021, 03:44:50 PM »
Amber:

My 2 daughters are so different.  One wants everything to be ok, similar to my temperament, and the other....not so much.

I can't get dd20 to take out the trash, which runs on day I'm not in town.  I sometimes cart trash to condo dumpster where we lived before.  It takes everything I have not to lose my white over it, bc hauling stinky trash.....when DD20 could take 6 seconds after 11am to roll it to curb on a day off from work isn't something she feels like doing and I AM BUSY.  This sort of f'd up disregard for other DD18 and me is maddening, mostly bc DD18 loses her white over it and follows the logic back to their childhoods when I wasn't a heavy enough disciplinarian (while legal siege tormenting me.)

But there are small increments of change and desire to change on DD20's part.  I perceive them, even if they're less than meaningless to DD18.

I'm all about gaining cooperation.  The heavy handed ultimatums are so stressful.  My adrenals really stressed, but looking for balance.  Looking to build up relationships with both girls, though it's not lost on me....parents often keep one child weaker, while making the other stronger without realizing it.

I've done that.  I SEE it so very clearly.

I just thanked dd18 for being so supportive and she dropped into hands on heart compassion and asked me what for.  She's been programmed by me.  Pretending everything is fine....difficulty accepting gratitude.

Then she said it's ok if I'm a lesbian, out of the blue, and we laughed at the darkness in my A- sexuality over the last 14 years, which is odd to most people, but I can't imagine anything else and I'm curious if that will change.  Zero interest. 

I feel as though I'm fighting to keep the structure of our lives propped up and strengthened for their futures. 

I SEE everything in terms of how resilient and balanced and strong my girls will be when I'm gone.  I'm not all they have, but I've been living like I am.  How odd. Just so let down for so long by so many....imo.

I have to evaluate that.  And my parenting strategies now they're grown.

DD20 is so alien to DD18...and to me.  Seems careless...so very careless with other people's......hearts and minds and maybe she's the "normal" one.

My mental health has never been her job, b7t I feel sabotaged by her and she's admitted sabotaging me.  Tormenting me was her actual word for it.

I'm ready to move on from it.  Without lashing out, finger pointing and shaming her, which DD18 really wants to do.

There's middle ground, but I'm hampered right now and overwhelmed, hence....
upcoming appt with T.

Yes.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #542 on: May 06, 2021, 05:19:20 PM »
Wishing you and your girls peace, independence and hopefulness, Light.

You care about health, strength and wholeness. An eating disorder in a child is frightening; I know someone whose child lost that battle. Does older DD have good medical care and counseling at school? (She's away at college or going back soon....)

Maybe simplicity, without too many complicated rules and fears of contamination, will ease all your minds. (You're right about processed stuff, but the young do have time to recover....).

Sounds to me like you're coping with a lot of triggers and doing a great job. Glad about the T.

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« Reply #543 on: May 06, 2021, 08:46:06 PM »
Hops:

DD20 will attend online classes in the fall to become a licensed optometrist   She's just been taken on fulltime at the eye clinic.  She's busy.  Hates to cook.  Went through a period of dreaming of gastric bypass surgery to solve everything. Those docs are wicked with false facts and promises.  Very frustrating, but I try to keep my opinions to myself, bc DD20 tends to resist when I do.

Both my girls have eating disorders.  One over eats inflammatory foods exclusively.  She won't say what she weighs, but she's gone from a 14/16 size to 20....maybe larger as her seems are splitting on uniforms with more weight gain. 

DD18 lost 1/3 her body weight during 2 year struggle with anorexia.  When her gut stopped digesting and doing everything a gut should do, she asked for help.

DD20 was seeing eating disorder T who was, imo, more harmful than helpful.  DD20 knows what to do to reduce inflammation.  She doesn't want to do it.  I dont5blame her, bc I don't want to do it either.  Boring.  Sad.  PITA.  Watching everyone else eat "normal food" doesn't make it easier.

Youngest has a regular T she adores, but isn't a eating disorder T.  DD18 hasn't told Nutritionist about the anorexia yet.

Yes.  Lots if triggers.  Surprisingly, the renovation brings joy and happy business.  I'm looking for classes and opportunities to do some of this work myself....and teach the girls.  Basic framing, plumbing and electrical.....flooring, etc.  I'm a side kick now.  I don't want to depend on subs anymore. 

Will see.  Ready to do new things. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #544 on: May 08, 2021, 09:08:46 AM »
Somewhere about the time, I realized my mom would never acknowledge what happened to me... and that was just the way it is; while I can't quite forgive - coz still old pain - I can ACCEPT that somehow I've survived anyway.... and about that time, I stopped over-analyzing my reactionary "momming personality".

It will OK, Lighter. It's early days with your girls trying out their wings. You've done a LOT to help them understand what they've been thru and now it's up to them to do the work. (Whether they want to, accept that, or not.)

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« Reply #545 on: May 09, 2021, 01:55:37 AM »
Thanks, Amber.  There some significant highs and lows happening.  I worked on lake house bathroom designs all day....felt really good.

You're right.  The girls will have to sort their own lives.  I hand them tools, but they wield them or don't.

Food choices and chores still squeezing my brain.  I ate gf crackers last night....SO many ways to get off track.  It didn't seem so difficult before, bc everything else in my life was on fire.

Life is calmer.  Better. I have more bandwidth to notice and register food frustration, I guess.  I have moments of boredom I didn't have the first time. 

I'm getting out of my own way....am able to see the waste in worry and what one gives up if we can't resist it. Maybe it's getting whacked in the head.....not seeing IT.

I feel I've been here before, wrestling with worry.....resisting acceptance.  Thanks for reminder.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #546 on: May 09, 2021, 08:19:07 AM »
And as they mature and learn from their own mistakes, they'll discover that not only were they given tools by you, but they will discover a host of other tools. And figure out their capacities to use them.

I know what it's like to agonize over an unwell child. In time, acceptance and release can come -- I hope they come soon for you. Have you considered orthorexia? I don't know but it occurred, fwiw.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #547 on: May 10, 2021, 12:58:57 PM »
How're you doing today Lighter?
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« Reply #548 on: May 10, 2021, 02:49:00 PM »
Dd18 is achy with huge headache.  Began 9 hours after J&J vaccine.  She was sick after regular flu shot too.

I'm pulling up pee pee carpet and padding in living room.  25 years of pee pee dust in varying colors....in curious piles in worst areas.  So.  Much.  Dust. 

The wait for LVF is mucking up my forward momentum.  Out of my control.  My schedule is coming apart.  I'm trying to triage commitments.

Niece's birthday and visit from my other niece are priorities just under DD18's care.

 I realize I'm way down on the list, under renovation and helping a friend in ways I'm curious about.  I can get her free appt with nutritionist for initial visits.  My other friend and I have left over supplements she be tested and dosed with.

It's a lot to take on, but Nutritionist already wants to help her....discover cause of herchronoc fatigue disorder. 

Friend has trouble walking....she's deciding weather to live or die and I'm lead to help as I can.  She's choosing to live, so far.

The J&J hurt my shoulder...stinging painfully, for 10 minutes or so, then nothing.  No tenderness.  Nothing.

I feel strong today, but I've had some very sad moments with my brain insisting I provide exciting foods....salty, crunchy, sweet...chewy.  I ate 2 handfuls of s&v chips with resulting stomach trouble.  Oh well.

My brother is heading to LVP showroom now.  Will call me to figure this out.

I'm drinking ice water and splashing myself in it to help calm my nervous system.  It feels like it's helping.  Still can't breathe out of left nostril to use that particular breathing tool.  I do remember to try.

Realtor has 2 people interested in cottage.  I have to find the papers for that place.

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« Reply #549 on: May 10, 2021, 05:56:34 PM »
CB:

LVP or LVF...same thing.  Planks or flooring or LVT.....no grout.  It's waterproof.  Good for us and any renters, should we get to that point.

I'm nervous about different sibling  ideas for what this place should be.

I missed my T appointment, bc my brother phoned....the conversation was supposed to be about LVP in 3 areas of the house.  Contractor waiting on it.....I thought we might have it today or tomorrow.

Instead brother begins talking about spraying all the warm amazing Pecky Cyprus walls white....diirs, trim, but not the ceilings, which are all vaulted orangish wood.  Special, bc it has natural oils....doesnt need sealing.  Dad picked it special.

He's also talking about turning house into a hotel again.....Im not opposed.  I simply don't share his vision and it's not what Dad planned.

Then brother says we might should tear out the existingvoak hardwoods and brick pavers, which I've scrubbed and steamed and removed 25 years of waxed in filth.  I can't wrap my head around making this lodgy home into a fancy hotel.  I love all the wood by fire and warm lamp light. 

While he's talking, I forget I have a much awaited T appointment and he had many more things to say, which didn't include final LVP selection.
My contractor will be here in the morning.  I know he likely will say NO to the big hotel job, should it come to pass.

I was ready to add 2 toilets, 2 showers/tubs, a little kitchen then call it done.....airbnb, put it on the market, see what shakes out.

I think I'd also like to consider putting tiny houses along the shoreline as rentals, with their own fire pit, outdoor kitchens....access to docks and boats, etc......

I'm conflicted.....and a bit worried. I sometimes want to run away, sell everything and start new dreams....not work on my father's and late husband's dreams, which is what I've been doing to preserve the value and spend time with my family.

My kids are grown.  They won't need me like this much longer, likely.

I want peace with my siblings.....to work on common goals was what Dad wanted for us.

It's just stuff.  Not as important as getting along, but I'm the people pleaser.....I want to think this through. 

II was nervous about contractor having to wait for flooring so he can finish bath and get paid. 

Now I'm worried about the direction this project is taking......about his willingness to stay AND I have an aversion to spending big retail dollars on fancy renovations.  My brother is adverse to buying old things and repurposing them. 

I hope we can be compassionate with each other through this.  I hope we can get through this.

One other thing.....brother wants to move quickly, bc there are no zoning laws now.  We'd be grandfathered in should things change.....I guess?  There are questions about sprinkler systems at x number of units, etc....great unknowns, brother is a big picture guy, like our mother.

I'm nervous about oldest dd20 adulting.  About both dd's eating disorders and health and finding my way after they leave the nest.
Preserving relationship with siblings while honoring myself. I've been a parent for 20 years and firefighter of fires other people start.

What will I be next?  Besides so bored with food I want to slap myself in the face if I'm not busy all the time....gogogogogo, which isn't conducive to being really present for dd18. 

Thanks for the coconut water idea.  She can have that and continues to feel better.  It helps to read your DD feels better afyer J&J distress.  I made dd18 a g/d/s free comfort waffle, with warm lemon apple cinnamon compote.  She's smiling and feeling good enough to sit outside in the sun and wind with me again.  I think it's going to rain.

There isn't enough mommy love in the world, CB.  I find it difficult to balance, I admit it. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #550 on: May 11, 2021, 08:15:25 AM »
Sounds to me like maybe Lighter needs a vacation - one of those peaceful, simply REST vacations where you let yourself imagine putting all this design energy into YOUR next life situation. You need some moss time; but I understand why you might be more comfortable avoiding it for a bit longer.

Instead of doing so much for others maybe take some time off and put that energy on you - let responsibility for "making people happy" and things "just so" kinda unwind and imagine something new that inspires you and offers a more comfortable balance. Make Lighter happy.
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« Reply #551 on: May 11, 2021, 11:22:03 AM »
Amber:

A reckoning is on the way.  Time to sort and calculate what I want to spend time on....what I don't.

I ended up feeling unwell yesterday afternoon....like organs and spine being stabbed...,head and neck ache.  I put to do list down and got in bed.  Slept through most of the discomfort.  Woke feeling fine, but vacuuming and bending over has my head throbbing again.  Need to not overdo today.

We have a gas shortage.  I have to puzzle out all the driving I plan to do in the AND whether there's available gas to do it.  If there's gas in the big building, I can carry gas with me, but that feels unsafe.  I know I have one big can of gas.

Oldest dd20 concerned about the gas and it's interesting to hear he puzzle it through for herself.  I'm not worried.  She'll figure it out.  I think my presence makes her regress in maturity.  She's super capable.  I have to release expectation and ask her what she plans to do about problems more often.  Just let it go.



Contractor getting unhappy, I can tell.  Too many Chiefs, as my father would say. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #552 on: May 11, 2021, 01:30:09 PM »
Ooooof, Lighter.
It sounds like nonstop stress approaching toxic levels.

I'll join Amber in visualizing a deep, intentional pause,
letting all that's extraneous to your wellbeing go unmanaged
by you.

It's too much. Or it sounds like too much. When to-do lists or
projects take on the sound of emergencies, we're out of whack.

You deserve rest, peace, serenity, relief.
Hope you'll trust that this is true and let them in.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #553 on: May 11, 2021, 02:00:59 PM »
Gas shortage might be magnified in SOME areas over others, due to supply line inability to absorb a problem, but according to the pipeline operator shouldn't last past this week. I imagine there might be some time involved in getting gas where it is most needed.

Gotta take things day by day, more so than in the past. I couldn't envision any kind of business plan, past the next 2-3 months and financial planning is in the same straits.
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« Reply #554 on: May 13, 2021, 09:26:18 PM »
TLighterToday, as I contemplated lunch as dd18 struggles...is skipping meals,bc anorexia screaming in her ears....I looked outside, dropped my arms to my side and went into the deck....laid down in the sun....it was one if those chilly windy days mitigated by the hot sun.  My right foot was in a shady wet spot....the wind actually hurt, it felt that cold.  The rest of me was so happy and warm and I noticed I had control in that moment as to how I felt. 

I stopped a frustrating hate spiral in the kitchen and chose joy instead. DD18 joined me till her black outfit made her too hot, but she was there.....breathing in the sun with me, May be meditating too.  Not sure, but I'm modeling something better and feeling much better for it.

I'm not trying to control DD18 or her eating.  I'm not letting the stress take me, at least not today.

I keep learning the same darn lesson....over and over as its presented in different ways.  My children have to individuals and it's good for us all when I step back and give them space to do it.

The main lesson is...
even if my kids aren't ok, I can still be ok.

My stomach flips as I know this, yet again.  It still goes in and out if focus.  I have moments where I can't believe I list that thread.

I also noticed I got through my entire bank bill Pay list without feeling anything at all.

Usually I see an upsetting name or company from the past....I never delete anything, bc documenting, and I lose minutes getting myself out of another hate spiral, but not thus time. 

Today I felt like the grown up in my life managing my younger self and younger self calmed down for the rest of the day.

I noticed more important stuff I wouldn't have had time for IF I'd been lost in reactivity.

Important stuff.

::nodding::.

Two steps forward today.

Lighter